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We need to start asking why.

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NotOneOfTheInCrowd · 06/11/2024 11:49

So trump has won. In the UK elections reform gained good ground. In the rest of Europe the far right are gaining ground.

It’s clear that the world as a whole is leaning further towards this stance, and instead of expressing horror and insulting those who are voting that way, we need to start asking why that is. Because clearly it is.

it’s easy to say that people voted for Farage because they didn’t want to vote Tory.

Or that they voted for Trump because they didn’t want a woman.

But it has to go further than that. There are too many of these votes for it to be that simplistic. so it’s time we looked at what the realities and the reasons are, and how they can be resolved without putting it in the hands of people like Farage or Trump to resolve them.

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ReadWithScepticism · 06/11/2024 11:56

I don't think there is any failure to look at those reasons. Broadly, they are:
--the disinformation effects of social media
--the economic effects of the death of industry in western countries, leaving them unable to maintain an adequate standard of welfare and public services
--necrotic western political institutions
--the crippling international effects of war and climate change, contributing to large-scale population movements

All of these are widely discussed, but there seems to be no capacity to act, possibly due to no. 3

MumOfOneAllAlone · 06/11/2024 11:55

Money

People are really struggling and the politicians don't care. They're busy focusing on things that don't matter to the every day person

This labour budget almost winded me with how fair it was to the poor tbh, as I was expecting worse

We need more council housing, more nhs support with a drastic reduction in wait times, cheaper food and a rent freeze for the private sector

We won't get any of those things

So I think we will be living in instability for a long while

justread · 06/11/2024 11:54

Bewareofthisonetoo · 06/11/2024 11:52

People of all colours, creeds and demographics voted for Donald Trump. They considered him to be the best candidate. Got more of the popular vote than in 2016. Considerably more valid mandate Starmer.

This.

Bewareofthisonetoo · 06/11/2024 11:52

People of all colours, creeds and demographics voted for Donald Trump. They considered him to be the best candidate. Got more of the popular vote than in 2016. Considerably more valid mandate Starmer.

Spirallingdownwards · 06/11/2024 11:51

Could you have at least put Trump in the title so we would know to avoid YET another thread on this?

crackofdoom · 06/11/2024 11:50

Propaganda. Misinformation. Much of the media being owned by right wing billionaires.