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stephen8 · 06/11/2024 11:32

My step children 7 , 8 and 10 (wife's daughters) have lived with me full time now for 2 years 7 months, in this time their biological dad has seen them once and mum has seen them around 15 times.

Neither one of them have paid towards the children or bought them anything in this time, I have fully provided for them. Yesterday evening, I received this email from my wife.

Dear stephen.

Hi.

I am letting you know that I have recently rented a house in x area and will shortly be moving into it. I will be coming to collect the girls on Tuesday the 12th novemeber.

I think it's best you step back and don't have contact with them. They will need time to adjust and settle in, and contact with you will confuse them and make them unsettled.

Please can you make sure the girls' things are all packed up and ready for the 12th.

Thank you.

I am devastated, these girls are my daughters, I've been in their life for 6 years and for the last two and a half years I've brought them up myself, they call me dad I'm the only parent they really know. I've not spoke to the girls about this yet but they will absolutely not be wanting to go and stay with their mum, infact they don't even want to see her, she's let them down too many times now and the trust is gone.
Has anyone been through this before? Do I have a leg to stand on? I'm assuming I have no choice but to hand the kids over on the 12th? She has financially ruined me with her gambling addiction, I don't think I can afford a lawyer, I'm aware I'm not biologically their dad but I'm the only dad they know, it would destroy them to be taken from me.

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Needanewname42 · 07/11/2024 07:15

@Gonegirl7 yes that's another point. The more I think about it the less it adds up.

If it's true the oldest child at least must have attachment and trauma issues. Abandoned by Dad at 2/3?
Stepdad at appeared at 4?
Mum Abandoned at 7?

What about both sets of DGPs were they both happy never to see the kids?
In fact all the kids must have some level of trauma.

If it was a woman who was looking after her ex husbands kids I'd be asking the same questions.
Why pay for the questionable tutor?
Why aren't the DGPs involved?
Why aren't SW involved?

Hopelesscase32 · 07/11/2024 07:03

stephen8 · 06/11/2024 17:59

I'm going to leave this here now, I think, very grateful for all the people who have given helpful advice and been supportive. But honestly, absolutely disgusted at the supposed mothers on here who can be so vile to a victim of abuse who has already been through so much, determined to find a way to make the women be the victim even though she's the abuser who my kids are terrified of. Yes I may not have contacted social services, but I was worn down by the abuse and trying to keep my head above wager financially and support my kids, she kept leaving and returning I had no idea when she would next he back. The social worker was in no way angry when she came around and actually complimented me on how well I've held things down and said that the girls are a delight, she certainly didn't have any worries about mt ability to care for them. I will to to court tomorrow with my head held high and fight for my girls and no matter what the outcome I will never stop being there for them, my door will always and forever be open for my daughters.

Good for you. The comments here have been absolutely disgusting and you are right when you say if it were a woman she would have been praised for how well she held down the fort.

Gonegirl7 · 07/11/2024 06:10

Needanewname42 · 06/11/2024 23:37

All of it is so weird, two parents to separately abandon their children is unusual.
The tutor or school situation is unusual verging on illegal.

The 3 kids have the same parents so they must have been together a while.
Mum meets a new guy when LO is 1. (3 kids inc a baby and she has time for a new romance).
Yet in less than 3 years they are married, she develops a man and gambling problem and walks out.

No benefits are claimed for these kids and kind grandparents are also prepared to spend a fortune on an education (of who knows what quality) for these 3 kids who aren't their GC.
When a rounded education could be acquired for free.

Sorry it all sounds a bit odd.

So succinct. Exactly what I was thinking.

so odd for a mother to want 3 children (clearly likes being a mum) and then abandons. Would make more sense if she abandoned only 1 child (who she felt was a mistake to have)

HumanRightsAreHumanRights · 07/11/2024 02:45

Needanewname42 · 06/11/2024 20:47

Thank-you that was one of the things I wondered when does a tutor become a school.
While I don't know where the line is I'd think having 6 or more children of different ages 6 hours a day, 5 days a week has to come under the definition of a school.

I bet there are rural village schools with those kind of numbers.

"An independent school is defined as any school at which full-time education is provided for five or more pupils of compulsory school age, or for one or more such pupils with an EHC plan or a statement of special educational needs or who is “looked after” by a local authority, and is not a school maintained by a local authority or a non-maintained special school."

They consider a setting who were open for 18 hours a week to pupils to be classed as full time.

From Independent school registration guide for proprietors.

If there are 6 children there for 20 hours a week, the tutor is running an illegal school and can be prosecuted.

Independent school registration

Find out the requirements for the registration of independent schools, also known as private schools.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/independent-school-registration

Needanewname42 · 06/11/2024 23:37

All of it is so weird, two parents to separately abandon their children is unusual.
The tutor or school situation is unusual verging on illegal.

The 3 kids have the same parents so they must have been together a while.
Mum meets a new guy when LO is 1. (3 kids inc a baby and she has time for a new romance).
Yet in less than 3 years they are married, she develops a man and gambling problem and walks out.

No benefits are claimed for these kids and kind grandparents are also prepared to spend a fortune on an education (of who knows what quality) for these 3 kids who aren't their GC.
When a rounded education could be acquired for free.

Sorry it all sounds a bit odd.

Autumnalsun · 06/11/2024 23:33

R053 · 06/11/2024 20:10

Yes, particularly about the illegal, unregistered private school and not being able to get medical treatment for 3 years for three kids. How is that even possible for them not to need medical attention at some stage or get their scheduled vaccines?

But if you dare ask a question like this we get told we are being “bitchy”, that mumsnet is anti men, a woman would never be treated like that and don’t forget, his wife is a hedonistic skanky drunk who abandoned her children!

My DD hasn’t been seen my a doctor or dentist for at least 6 years.

The doctors is because she’s very fortunate and doesn’t get poorly often and then dentist is because we simply can’t get one (moved home, then no appointments during covid and then the dentist closed down).

It’s very easy to not see a doctor or dentist, they don’t check up on patients.

I don’t know much about home schooling but I’ve heard it’s very easy for kids to stay under the radar.

Jadebanditchillipepper · 06/11/2024 23:26

Good luck to you and those lovely girls tomorrow

kittensinthekitchen · 06/11/2024 23:22

Firstly, any idiot can google and see that a step parent does NOT automatically attain parental responsibility and this is given only in specific circumstances, via a court order.

Secondly, @stephen8 are you claiming any benefits related to these children?

Barbie222 · 06/11/2024 23:06

Hey OP, this thread might be outing and cause you issues, you've got what you came for so why not ask for it to be removed now.

Vgbeat · 06/11/2024 23:02

Can I just say you sound like an amazing.dad and well done for stepping up.amd being tje parent the kids needed. I really hope everything goes well.

Whataninvasionofprivacy · 06/11/2024 22:53

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He actually said he was ‘leaving it there’ and I don’t blame him.
lots of people are scared of SS and genuinely would not even think to get in touch with them.

Gonegirl7 · 06/11/2024 22:39

thebrowncurlycrown · 06/11/2024 21:50

Classic MN. I am absolutely aghast the vitriol you have received here on this thread. Surely as you were married to the mother, as the married step father you do gain some sort of PR. Also you would think there was a case for abandonment, given the way the mother has acted. I do echo others and say it's imperative you seek legal advice. you entered those girls lives when they were very young and they would've known no other father and family but you. If this is real, I'm sure the courts and SS will see this too.

Surely if you were married to the mother you gain parental responsibility?

wow is that really what you assume? It just baffles me that you even felt okay to type that out.

AnneLovesGilbert · 06/11/2024 22:37

thebrowncurlycrown · 06/11/2024 21:50

Classic MN. I am absolutely aghast the vitriol you have received here on this thread. Surely as you were married to the mother, as the married step father you do gain some sort of PR. Also you would think there was a case for abandonment, given the way the mother has acted. I do echo others and say it's imperative you seek legal advice. you entered those girls lives when they were very young and they would've known no other father and family but you. If this is real, I'm sure the courts and SS will see this too.

Surely as you were married to the mother, as the married step father you do gain some sort of PR.

What?!

And he sought legal advice. Hundreds of posts ago.

kittybiscuits · 06/11/2024 22:32

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JayJayEl · 06/11/2024 22:11

I think that regardless of whether or not people think the OP has 'done a good job', none of it is above board. He could have done the best job in the world, ever, but he is not legally their parent and as such does not have any parental responsibility. Their relationship sounds wonderful, and continuing it is the best way for him and his daughters, but he is skating on thin ice here. I think professing innocence here is not a valid excuse.

I do, however, wish @stephen8 the best of luck! X

Willyoujustbequiet · 06/11/2024 22:08

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JayJayEl · 06/11/2024 22:00

gladpurpledog · 06/11/2024 20:38

There you go. A teacher would know what to do. This tutor doesn’t, after three years.

Surely children seeing a tutor 6 hours a day for however many days in the school year would - at some point - mention the fact that they no longer see their mother, and exclusively live with their stepfather?
@stephen8 You do sound like a wonderful man/dad, but to think that you've NEVER considered contacting the powers that be is absolutely baffling.

Also, someone said something about children losing their parents, and then living with their grandparents, and how grandparents wouldn't necessarily think to call SS. Again, that is proper barmy. Of course a majority of people would think to contact SS under circumstances like that! Or at the very least would let someone - such as school/tutor - know the circumstances, therefore being pointed in the direction of SS.

I normally would agree that if the OP had been a woman then threads like this would go in a different direction. However, in this case, I doubt it. I think it is absolutely fair to question everything the OP is saying. (Apart from suggesting that he is a pedophile. Man in unusual circumstances does not automatically equal sex offender!!)

SqueakyDoor · 06/11/2024 21:59

And to think, the ex-wife was gambling and drinking away the tuition fees too.

She must have had some lucky wins along the way to pay for everything before your DParents could step up, OP @stephen8?

Unlucky that you can't contribute, isn't it? Does tutoring cost more now than when you were married, or something?

thebrowncurlycrown · 06/11/2024 21:50

Classic MN. I am absolutely aghast the vitriol you have received here on this thread. Surely as you were married to the mother, as the married step father you do gain some sort of PR. Also you would think there was a case for abandonment, given the way the mother has acted. I do echo others and say it's imperative you seek legal advice. you entered those girls lives when they were very young and they would've known no other father and family but you. If this is real, I'm sure the courts and SS will see this too.

ThatRareUmberJoker · 06/11/2024 21:44

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Prove it you can't throw around claims without proof.

ThatRareUmberJoker · 06/11/2024 21:42

kittybiscuits · 06/11/2024 21:20

You have literally no idea if children would be better off with him. You are absolutely wrong, he has no status as their legal guardian

He stands a good chance of becoming their legal guardian. They would have been better off with him. He has raised them for 6 years he did the right thing. I suggest you get some work experience in a children's home and you'll understand why. You'll quickly learn what parental trauma can do to a child and how it fuxks them up.

kittybiscuits · 06/11/2024 21:20

ThatRareUmberJoker · 06/11/2024 20:40

They would have been put in the care system. It's not a nice place to be in they were better left with him. He is married to their mother legally he is their guardian.

You have literally no idea if children would be better off with him. You are absolutely wrong, he has no status as their legal guardian

kittybiscuits · 06/11/2024 21:19

ThatRareUmberJoker · 06/11/2024 20:40

They would have been put in the care system. It's not a nice place to be in they were better left with him. He is married to their mother legally he is their guardian.

You have literally no idea if this is true

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