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stephen8 · 06/11/2024 11:32

My step children 7 , 8 and 10 (wife's daughters) have lived with me full time now for 2 years 7 months, in this time their biological dad has seen them once and mum has seen them around 15 times.

Neither one of them have paid towards the children or bought them anything in this time, I have fully provided for them. Yesterday evening, I received this email from my wife.

Dear stephen.

Hi.

I am letting you know that I have recently rented a house in x area and will shortly be moving into it. I will be coming to collect the girls on Tuesday the 12th novemeber.

I think it's best you step back and don't have contact with them. They will need time to adjust and settle in, and contact with you will confuse them and make them unsettled.

Please can you make sure the girls' things are all packed up and ready for the 12th.

Thank you.

I am devastated, these girls are my daughters, I've been in their life for 6 years and for the last two and a half years I've brought them up myself, they call me dad I'm the only parent they really know. I've not spoke to the girls about this yet but they will absolutely not be wanting to go and stay with their mum, infact they don't even want to see her, she's let them down too many times now and the trust is gone.
Has anyone been through this before? Do I have a leg to stand on? I'm assuming I have no choice but to hand the kids over on the 12th? She has financially ruined me with her gambling addiction, I don't think I can afford a lawyer, I'm aware I'm not biologically their dad but I'm the only dad they know, it would destroy them to be taken from me.

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BestEffort · 06/11/2024 13:40

Contact social services now before she gets the house so when they do their assessment they see the real situation. If you wait they will only visit the new house and the history will be your word against hers.

Apply to court for PR and contact. I think you need to accept you will almost certainly loose resistance of them. However if you stay in these girls life- and you need a court order to be able to maintain contact- if mother continues to act as she has historically you can take it back to court and get residency back.

You have run afoul of the law on homeschooling. You have to have PR and it's a parents responsibility to ensure a child is getting an appropriate and full time education. The situation you describe with the tutor is an unlicensed school and she's going yo be in BIG trouble. You can use tutors as a person with PR with the responsibility to oversee it but many hours group tutoring like this is not accepted. We have ofsted for a reason! HOWEVER you can't sign a child up for school without PR. The mother has PR took the decision to home school and then not supervised it so she's the one at fault. The kids will get into the education officer system and be ordered to attend school most likely. The fact you didn't take action to get PR/get them I to school will just show a court judge how irrisponsible you have been and those kids have been let down. (Even if the education they are getting is great society is set up against home education-I home Ed so I'm not anti this approach).

You don't need a solicitor or a lawyer to go to court. You can be a litigant in person- which means you self represent. I would advise you pay a solicitor for a couple hours of their time to talk you through what you need to do to get PR and contact that needs to be your priority right now. Ask how to expitide the court date there is a type of application you can do to get heard urgently rather than the normal months waiting- you must do this before she gets her house!!

waterrat · 06/11/2024 13:40

Op. The mum here abandoned them and this should have been reported to authorities immediately

SlightlyJaded · 06/11/2024 13:38

Good progress

But as every single poster (virtually) has pointed out, you do also need to contact SS.

Agree with the idea of alerting local police to the 12th handover date if you think it might get ugly.

Wishing you all the best of luck.

MumtananoBay · 06/11/2024 13:37

stephen8 · 06/11/2024 13:15

Appointment with lawyer sorted. I will be contacting my wife's sister, tutor, neighbours, my family, etc, and getting as many people as possible to write a statement about my parenting of the girls. I will contact ss after speaking with the lawyer. Also gathering evidence of all the abusive emails and text messages she's sent me and proof of all the money she's gambled etc

Get more than one. Really. As many as possible. They only have opinions rarely facts so get some ballance.

TwinklyAmberOrca · 06/11/2024 13:34

stephen8 · 06/11/2024 13:15

Appointment with lawyer sorted. I will be contacting my wife's sister, tutor, neighbours, my family, etc, and getting as many people as possible to write a statement about my parenting of the girls. I will contact ss after speaking with the lawyer. Also gathering evidence of all the abusive emails and text messages she's sent me and proof of all the money she's gambled etc

This sounds like a very sensible step forward.

What's important here is the welfare of the children and there is absolutely no way you should be handing them over to someone who has a history of being unsafe. Any access should be arranged at an access centre so the girls can get to know her again and SS can investigate whether her being in the girls life is safe for them.

As well as making SS aware, I would also go as far as contact the police for advice as come the 12th September, it is likely that she could turn up at your door screaming and shouting. If the police are aware that there is likely to be a disturbance then they can support you.

Be prepared for a battle. Some kids I know had a very similar situation where the mother was mentally unstable and passed away suddenly. The step father (no parental responsibility) looked after them but their biological dad (violence issues and not a nice person) then started talking about custody. The kids had to temporarily go into foster care whilst authorities gathered information. They then returned to live with the step dad and still do.

mommatoone · 06/11/2024 13:29

Lackinginspiration1 · 06/11/2024 11:53

So you have essentially taken these children off grid (by homeschooling) to avoid any contact with the authorities when you have no parental rights?! It may came from a good place but that is so completely wrong! Contact social services so that you can at least get some formal arrangements sorted, you have no legal right to do that

Wow. Helpful.not

Whatwillbreaknext · 06/11/2024 13:28

SilenceInside · 06/11/2024 13:26

@Mumofteenandtween this isn't an activity though, this is full-time tutor who is essentially running a small unregulated private school, and so should be aware, like teachers in state and regulated private schools, of safeguarding and the legal status of the children in her care.

This is what people aren't understanding. In large scale child abuse DC are often 'tutored' in these situations be someone involved in the abuse. People prey on vulnerable women for access to their DC. I'm not saying OP, that this is what has happened here. But noone on here can be sure that it isn't either.

BrightYellowTrain · 06/11/2024 13:27

If the tutor is providing a full-time education to your 3 DSDs and 3 other (presumably CSA?) children how are they getting around the unregistered school rules?

sterli2323 · 06/11/2024 13:27

You need to make an urgent application to the court for an Interim Child Arrangements Order, and a Prohibited Steps Order to stop her removing them from your care whilst assessments are undertaken. You will need permission from the court to apply as you do not have PR. Cafcass will then be directed to complete a S7 report.
There are no welfare concerns for SS to consider, and step-parents are considered close relatives, it will be seen as a family arrangement with no role for a social worker, its not private fostering either.
Ther is no obligation on OP to tell SS - 'If the local council didn’t ask you to look after the child you don’t have to tell them the child has come to stay with you.'

Looking after someone else's child - GOV.UK

Looking after someone else's child

Support and benefits you can get if you're looking after someone else's child, court orders - kinship care, private fostering, friends and family care

https://www.gov.uk/looking-after-someone-elses-child

Boobygravy · 06/11/2024 13:26

Good luck op.
Ignore the nasty pp’s on here.

pinkpjamas1 · 06/11/2024 13:26

Mrssmith3 · 06/11/2024 13:23

Health services and school should have been telling you you need a guardianship order. The school shouldn’t have let you deregister as you don’t have parental rights. If I read that you homeschool correctly. You need to contact social services immediately and tell them the situation. They will speak to the previous school and the children. If she is an unfit parent other family members may have stepped in. But social services need to decide. It’s a really hard situation for you to be in but you should have seemed guardianship.

'The school'.

OP has said approximately 12 times that the children have always been homeschooled.

concreterose31 · 06/11/2024 13:26

Threads like this me worry so much! The OP was a woman responses would be so different, surely the gender of the parent in this situation should not cloud people’s judgement to this extent.

i am a qualified social worker and situations like this are more common than we may like to think (think grandchild living with grandparent full time).

OP well done for stepping up and doing more than what many would be able to. You need contact social services and access a lawyer asap, it’s important to highlight the concerns re the children living with their mum and evidence that you are consider a safety factor for them. They can assist with a special guardianship Ore or you may have to do it private One way is to apply to the court for a Child Arrangements Order that allows the child to live with the step-parent either on their own or with another person, although these are not common. The court can also issue a Parental Responsibility Order as a result of an application by the step-parent.

SilenceInside · 06/11/2024 13:26

@Mumofteenandtween this isn't an activity though, this is full-time tutor who is essentially running a small unregulated private school, and so should be aware, like teachers in state and regulated private schools, of safeguarding and the legal status of the children in her care.

Dramatic · 06/11/2024 13:26

I wish you the best op, having had experience with family court I think you've got your work cut out to keep the girls, unfortunately she's well within her rights to take the girls whenever she wants.

Swanbeauty · 06/11/2024 13:26

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Withdrawn at OP's request.

pinkpjamas1 · 06/11/2024 13:25

SilenceInside · 06/11/2024 13:20

@pinkpjamas1 because she should have asked for some paperwork? That's what policies are for.

Paperwork for dropping off etc would just been 'Individuals permitted to pick up child' Mum, Stepfather, Grandma, Auntie Fanny, wouldn't it?

housethatbuiltme · 06/11/2024 13:24

SS need to be involved immediately.

Obviously you are going to paint yourself great and say they love you etc... (not saying you are lying) but you MUST she how incredibly dodgy it is that you took 3 off grid children you have no guardianship over and have hid them from services designed to protect children for years in absence of the parents when the mother sounds like she is suffering MH issues.

That is factually unfortunately a very common tactic of abusers to the point your story is a MASSIVE red flag.

Why on earth didn't you report it and get you wife help? (even if she refused you would have tried and there would be record)

An independent non bias person needs to get to the bottom of whats best for the kids.

Mrssmith3 · 06/11/2024 13:23

Health services and school should have been telling you you need a guardianship order. The school shouldn’t have let you deregister as you don’t have parental rights. If I read that you homeschool correctly. You need to contact social services immediately and tell them the situation. They will speak to the previous school and the children. If she is an unfit parent other family members may have stepped in. But social services need to decide. It’s a really hard situation for you to be in but you should have seemed guardianship.

Mumofteenandtween · 06/11/2024 13:23

pinkpjamas1 · 06/11/2024 13:16

Maybe, but if SF has always dropped off and picked up and the girls haven't said anything about Mum (as they don't seem to want much to do with her and haven't seen her for a long time) how would she know?

Especially if the kids call him dad. My husband (who is the kids dad emotionally, biologically and legally) has taken the kids to all sorts of activities and never once has anyone checked their birth certificates or their DNA. They just handed them over to the man they call “daddy”.

grumpygrape · 06/11/2024 13:20

stephen8 · 06/11/2024 13:15

Appointment with lawyer sorted. I will be contacting my wife's sister, tutor, neighbours, my family, etc, and getting as many people as possible to write a statement about my parenting of the girls. I will contact ss after speaking with the lawyer. Also gathering evidence of all the abusive emails and text messages she's sent me and proof of all the money she's gambled etc

This is your best plan.

I wish the children and you the best result.

Tittat50 · 06/11/2024 13:20

Good luck OP. I think it's positive that you have a number of third parties to verify how you're doing as a parent.

Also, the girls sound like they don't want this to change.

SilenceInside · 06/11/2024 13:20

@pinkpjamas1 because she should have asked for some paperwork? That's what policies are for.

Harrysmummy246 · 06/11/2024 13:19

I find it very odd that you have no official responsibility for the girls and didn't see fit to seek this out

Alifemoreordinary123 · 06/11/2024 13:18

OP I think some people are seriously missing the point. You were in a relationship with their mum from them being tiny, you assumed the Dad role, their mum left and you continued your life with them on the course that had been set (including home schooling). An oversight in hindsight not to sort the legalities, but essentially you / they view you as their Dad and they have a stable and loving home with you. You’ve done nothing wrong here and I’m not sure why people are having a dig. Hoping you get sound legal advice and can sort this so you can continue your lives together.