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AIBU to feel frustrated with my friend who’s moved to Australia expecting a miracle?

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sunshinerainbowsgalore · 06/11/2024 08:13

Hi everyone, I’m hoping for some perspective here. A close friend of mine recently moved to Australia, and I’m struggling to feel as sympathetic as I think I should. She moved without ever visiting, thinking it would solve all her problems. She used to say how awful England was and how amazing Australia would be. My other friend and I did warn her she might be disappointed, but we didn’t want to be too negative.

Here’s the context: she’s 29, has been to university twice but has never stuck with a job for long. She finds most jobs difficult and often blames her ADHD for why things don’t go well. I do wonder if it’s more about not wanting to commit to work, rather than just ADHD. She’s been very sheltered—never paying her own phone bill and never contributing financially when she lived at home, despite her parents’ struggles.

She’s also made snide comments about the lives me and our other friend have built for ourselves. We both worked hard for our stable incomes, partners, and homes, and she’s been bitter about it at times. In reality, she’s in a much less secure position, having made poor choices along the way. We’ve tried to give her advice for years on how to make better decisions, but she hasn’t listened.

Before moving, she even criticised my home, saying new builds were “rubbish” and that she could never live in one. She always dreamt of a big detached house, but I think she’s starting to realise how much hard work and financial stability are required to achieve that.

She’s already spent her £30k inheritance, which was supposed to be for a house deposit, on this move. She thought Australia would be cheaper, that she’d easily find a good admin job, and that everything would just fall into place. But after just a month, she’s homesick, financially struggling, and realising how expensive things really are. Now she’s asking me and our other friend for advice, but honestly, I’m not sure what to say anymore. She thought moving would solve everything, but now she’s learning that life doesn’t work like that, no matter where you are.

One of the impulsive things she did before leaving was spend £500 bleaching her hair, only to realise she didn’t like it. Now her hair’s ruined, and she doesn’t even know where to find a good hairdresser in Australia to fix it. It’s just another example of how she doesn’t always think things through before making decisions.

She’s even said things like, “Mum and Dad will buy me a place, so it doesn’t matter,” which feels frustrating to hear, as she’s not facing up to the reality of hard work and responsibility. Now, she’s likely to come back broke, jobless, and without a clear plan. I’m really not sure how to help her at this point because it feels like she’s expecting things to work out without putting in the effort.

Am I being unreasonable to feel frustrated, especially when I’ve tried to give her advice for years? Has anyone else had a friend who makes impulsive decisions and never seems to learn? It’s hard to watch someone you care about keep making the same mistakes, but I do want to be there for her, even though it’s tough.

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PensionedCruiser · 09/11/2024 12:35

Impulsive behaviour, money mismanagement and bad decision making are all typical of an ADHD diagnosis. I wonder whether she is taking medication? It can be very helpful, along with psychotherapy to address the behaviours.

Other than maybe suggesting seeking medical help/advice, I think you are far better saving your breath. She will not change without professional support.

I'm sorry if this sounds hard, but you do have to protect yourself. You can be supportive without leaving yourself open to attack.

TinyFlamingo · 09/11/2024 12:33

Some people need to complain and vent but not actually need or want advice.
A lot of this sounds like her ADHD and unless she wants to do the work you can't help as she's convinced she can fix an inside problem with an external fixed it's just something she needs to learn in her own or be in denial about.
Until she actually wants help, just be an ear but don't invest in anything more than sentiment.

strawberrysea · 06/11/2024 15:30

I actually did this myself. I had zero direction and thought fuck it, I'll go to Australia. It was the best decision I ever made. I live in the UK now but it was the catalyst to getting my life together.

another1bitestheduck · 06/11/2024 14:09

why do you want to be there for her? What does she bring to your life? She sounds very annoying. Honestly I would be tempted with a bit of brutal honesty, and tell her what you've put in this post.

If she reflects, realises you have a point and takes some responsibility for her own life then she could develop into someone you want to stay friends with.

If she throws her toys out of the pram, says you're mean and don't understand how hard her life is, and refuses to speak to you then what have you really lost?
Ultimately if she carries on the way she is, with everyone in her life pandering to her, she's unlikely to ever grow up - do you see the friendship lasting long term anyway if she's still like this in another twenty/thirty years?

echt · 06/11/2024 13:57

@sunshinerainbowsgalore Why are you letting her live in your head rent-free?

Fireworknight · 06/11/2024 13:48

If she’s had an inheritance at a young age, and her parents help fund her, plus friends like you who are always there for her (even though you're opposite sides of the globe now), it sounds like she’s hardly had to stand on her own two feet. Theres always been people propping her up .

However , now that support network is no longer there, and she’s having to stand on her own two feet. Fending for herself may be the making of her.

As others have said, it’s only been a month. Encourage her to give it longer.

JC03745 · 06/11/2024 13:18

sunshinerainbowsgalore · 06/11/2024 09:55

She has. She went out there to not come back and to live there permanently via sponsorship.

Which visa is it OP? I'm confused.

Up thread you said She's on a year working visa, that's how she's managed to move there.

ChimpanzeeThatMonkeyNews · 06/11/2024 12:21

Catza · 06/11/2024 08:25

I actually do think that moving away to the entirely new continent without any support network will do her some good. It helped me massively to work through similar issues in my 20s. I had to make a life for myself, my parents categorically told me I will not be welcomed home until I gave it at least a year. 25 years later I have two degrees, a stable job, a mortgage-free flat and I am about to buy my second property on a single income. Sometimes things get worse before they get better so, as a friend, I would advice her to stick it out for a year.

That's great advice, actually.

OlderGlaswegianLivingInDevon · 06/11/2024 11:57

£500 to have her hair coloured ? where did she go for that.

UmbrellaEllaEllaElla · 06/11/2024 11:57

Sooverwork · 06/11/2024 11:53

This. I’m wondering if she’s just on a temporary youth visa but I believe they still make you do farm labour during the period.

I dont think you need to do farm labour anymore if you're from the UK.

Sooverwork · 06/11/2024 11:53

Parky04 · 06/11/2024 08:30

You can't just relocate to Australia to do an admin job!

This. I’m wondering if she’s just on a temporary youth visa but I believe they still make you do farm labour during the period.

Sheaintheavyshesmymother · 06/11/2024 11:52

You could offer advice and encourage some self reflection but if you were a real friend you could appropriately inform this advice by taking the time to learn exactly what ADHD is.

Inability to maintain a stable income and career is a classic trait of ADHD so you patronisingly telling her that effectively she “just needs to work hard like you have” is not really that helpful, probably the opposite. If her life and decision making is really that chaotic then it is likely her self esteem and confidence are in absolute tatters. She needs advice that works with the brain she has, not the brain you have. Does she take meds for ADHD? Does she have non medical coping mechanisms in place (eg. daily exercise, social media blockers, schedules and alarms)? Has she ever worked with a career counsellor to figure out a career path that will work well with her personality and brain type? What does her ideal life look like? Does she prefer manual or screen based working?

As someone with ADHD I've found a career and a lifestyle that works for me (freelance film and TV). I work very intensively on short term contracts and through this have bought a little house which has perfectly manageable mortgage payments for a single person. My life looks very different to all of my friends lives but as someone who struggles to hold down jobs and relationships this situation is perfect for me.

Wishing your friend all the luck, I hope if you choose to help her you are able to do so with a bit of compassion and understanding.

FanFckingTastic · 06/11/2024 11:51

Am I being unreasonable to feel frustrated, especially when I’ve tried to give her advice for years? Has anyone else had a friend who makes impulsive decisions and never seems to learn? It’s hard to watch someone you care about keep making the same mistakes, but I do want to be there for her, even though it’s tough.

It's not unreasonable to feel frustrated - ADHD can be very debilitating and difficult and can cause all sorts of issues. Much of what you describe will be as result of your friend having this condition. She can't just 'snap out of it' or suddenly stop being 'silly'.

If you care about her (as you say that you do) then maybe reading up on the condition would help you frame how you respond to her request for advice.

Richiewoo · 06/11/2024 11:48

Don't advise her. There's nothing you can do. Sounds like you don't even like her.

Compash · 06/11/2024 11:42

Catza · 06/11/2024 08:25

I actually do think that moving away to the entirely new continent without any support network will do her some good. It helped me massively to work through similar issues in my 20s. I had to make a life for myself, my parents categorically told me I will not be welcomed home until I gave it at least a year. 25 years later I have two degrees, a stable job, a mortgage-free flat and I am about to buy my second property on a single income. Sometimes things get worse before they get better so, as a friend, I would advice her to stick it out for a year.

Bravo them. This is the point of travel (one of them) - to learn to stand on your own two feet, and that the world doesn't owe you happy. You you gain SO much confidence from gritting through the bad times, working and thinking your way out of them. 👏

UmbrellaEllaEllaElla · 06/11/2024 11:40

V0xPopuli · 06/11/2024 11:39

Its possible to have ADHD AND character flaws.

ADHD isn't a license to have everything excused "because ADHD". You can have ADHD and a bit lazy, just as you have ADHD and be hard working. You can have ADHD and be entitled.

If the OP doesn't want to be friends with her for those reasons, then that's fair.

V0xPopuli · 06/11/2024 11:39

Its possible to have ADHD AND character flaws.

ADHD isn't a license to have everything excused "because ADHD". You can have ADHD and a bit lazy, just as you have ADHD and be hard working. You can have ADHD and be entitled.

UmbrellaEllaEllaElla · 06/11/2024 11:37

V0xPopuli · 06/11/2024 11:35

I agree with this. It's easy to judge her but ADHD is literally largely about difficulty making decisions, follow through, impulsivity and emotional dysregulation.

That doesn't mean she should be entitled to have ridiculous expectations that success will fall into her lap, and that others should feel entitled to validate that

If anything it should mean she needs to calibrate her expectations to something more achievable given her struggles. I have a friend with ADHD who used to work in a career path that required high levels of organisation and executive function. It was very stressful for her and she simply couldnt cope. She wisely accepted she wasnt suited to it and moved into something more flexible that played to her creative strengths, where success is more within reach.

OP doesn't need to be her friend but if she chooses to be her friend she needs to understand that this is where her friend currently is with her ADHD.

V0xPopuli · 06/11/2024 11:35

I agree with this. It's easy to judge her but ADHD is literally largely about difficulty making decisions, follow through, impulsivity and emotional dysregulation.

That doesn't mean she should be entitled to have ridiculous expectations that success will fall into her lap, and that others should feel entitled to validate that

If anything it should mean she needs to calibrate her expectations to something more achievable given her struggles. I have a friend with ADHD who used to work in a career path that required high levels of organisation and executive function. It was very stressful for her and she simply couldnt cope. She wisely accepted she wasnt suited to it and moved into something more flexible that played to her creative strengths, where success is more within reach.

Wondergirl1111 · 06/11/2024 11:33

tuvamoodyson · 06/11/2024 08:28

‘Oh dear, that’s a pity’
’oh dear, I hope you get it sorted’

…then get on with your own life.

I think this is good advice.

Sometimes people like to be victims and unfortunately kind people end up giving time and energy trying to solve problems with them or deeply empathise, when actually I've realised that some people like this in my life actually enjoy the problems - either because it's weirdly their comfort zone/ self sabotaging or because it gets them attention.
Either way it's not your problem and you can't fix it for her.
If you really like and care about her, let her make her mistakes and be there when she comes home. But maybe it's time to re-evaluate if this person actually belongs in your life, and if you belong in theirs. Some friendships last a lifetime, and some are just meant to be enjoyed for a season.
Detach a little from it and invest in yourself OP x

V0xPopuli · 06/11/2024 11:31

Who is sponsoring her for an admin job??

She could have gone initially on a youth mobility visa or something

V0xPopuli · 06/11/2024 11:29

I had a friend exactly like this - i could have written your post. I found it exhausting hearing her complain, also she became unpleasant every time anything went well in my job even though she knew i worked long hours & was often stressed by it all. She seemed to want validation from me that her expectations that wealth & success should simply fall into her lap were reasonable. She was also often pursuing get rich quick schemes including several mlms and would persistently be flogging these despite me making clear i was not interested.

I decided it wasnt a friendship that benefitted either of us, and tried to gradually reduce comtact & allow the friendship to wither away.

She actually made this very difficult!

She continued to contact me a lot. She would send long voice notes with sagas about situations where she felt she was being treated unfairly at work, denied promotions she wanted etc. She moved job repeatedly and this happened over and over.

When back in the uk for visits she would contact me immediately suggesting meet ups etc. If i made excuses/said i wasn't free she'd suggest alternatives over and over or would turn it round and simply say "when are you free, I'll make it work" in a way that made it hard for me to avoid.

I've never felt i could simply go silent on her, we had mutual friends & fond memories of time studying together that i felt it was a pity to spoil and I don't like treating people that way, but as a result it has taken years for her to get the message and contact me less.

Ifsheloses · 06/11/2024 11:15

sunshinerainbowsgalore · 06/11/2024 09:55

She has. She went out there to not come back and to live there permanently via sponsorship.

Who is sponsoring her for an admin job??

Mostlyoblivious · 06/11/2024 11:13

I think you need to work out what about her irks you so much (financial back up for example) then work on yourself and move on - the childhood book ‘my best fiend’ sprang to mind having skim read your first post.

UmbrellaEllaEllaElla · 06/11/2024 11:09

FoxRedPuppy · 06/11/2024 10:54

You post is very ableist. A lot of what you describe as character flaws are symptoms/part of her adhd. It can be pretty debilitating. It is a disability and causes impulsive behaviour, over-spending, executive function problems, and fixating on things (such as emigrating). You don't sound like a great friend.

I agree with you. OP makes it sound like her friend is intentionally trying to ruin her life. She has Adhd. And it could be that Australia is the best thing that happens to her.