To cancel plans to visit USA.

I had an all nighter so bear with me. If people were travelling to the US from 2022 the laws on abortion are the same then and now. The fact he won wouldn’t affect what was already decided by the supreme court.

And who do you think facilitated that with the appointment of three of the six republican Supreme Court judges who voted to overturn Roe v Wade, thus turning the decisions over to individual states ?

Really? So you won’t be going to Budapest, Prague, Italy, Croatia, Switzerland, Turkey or most counties in the Middle East?

Of course it does. Affluent women will still get care—they can fly out of state for treatment. Poor women can’t. Then they will be shamed for “having more kids than they can afford.”

This country is also very divided.

1 in 5 voted Labour
2 in 5 voted for another party
2 in 5 didn’t vote

so that’s pretty divided

unless you think you’ll end up in a situation needing some sort of maternity/gynae care, I’d still go.

Studies since the overturning of Roe have indicated that it will have more of an impact on poor black women as their access to reliable contraception is already inadequate. And the poor get poorer………….

But are ok if the rapists are orange and rich through.

I agree, it definitely feels less safe, people are emboldened by Trump - guns, behaviour, racism, misogyny..

Why do you think so many of his former supporters have warned against re-electing him?

If those who worked with him closely consider him to be dangerous, do you think they should not warn the electorate?

Trump didn't win because of these warnings, he won in spite of them. And history will judge.

Yes, I do. For the same reason I will not travel to Dubai, Qatar, China… I cannot effect political change in these countries but I’m not going to endorse their regimes by spending my hard earned money there.

I wouldn't travel there while he's president. I know it makes absolutely no difference to him or me in real terms.

But I can't face the idea of visiting or spending my hard earned cash in such a place where his behaviour is clearly so approved and applauded by the majority.

This. Nails it.

I'd only cancel if i was going to a state with restrictive abortion laws and i was pregnant or likely to be/get pregnant during the visit (or any other members of my travelling party)

Otherwise, nothing massive will change for tourists

ETA: it is not necessarily about abortions, although i do believe that women should have the choice about their own (reproductive) healthcare.

It is more that if you have any complication (ectopic pregnancy whatever) in a state where abortion is restricted, your healthcare might not be that at all. In fact it might end with your death. That is my worry, not that i, as a visitor to the US, might need an abortion.

He won’t notice if you visit or not …think you are being totally unreasonable !

I'm going to Krakow for Christmas, Venice in Feb for the carnival and then US in summer, to spend my 'tourist euros/dollars' there.

Anyone's interested in my travel plans? No?

Go. Don't go. Who gives a fuck what you do. Not the Americans, I'm sure.

But how did we get here? Do you know what prompted the federal right of all American women to be overturned, and handed back to the states? Do you know who has been bragging on TV interviews about overturning Roe?

Quite. This is the whole nub of the abortion issue. These patriarchal fucks see women as venal, amoral children who would indeed go around gaily aborting late-term foetuses without a second thought if they weren't trammelled by draconian laws.

Ah sorry, I misread your post.

Yes, it is time for unity. I'm just sick of seeing these hysterical nonsensical posts constantly.

I’m not sure he’ll notice.

I guess there's two separate issues.

One being safety which OP has mentioned - I don't think this has changed from last week when she was happy to go. I wouldn't go to certain states if I was pregnant, but that would have applied last week as well.

The other is what other posters have mentioned around just not wanting to spend money in a country like that. Like boycotting particular shop/brand because you disagree with something they've done - it won't make any difference overall, but it's your money and you can spend it how you like. I don't think unreasonableness really comes into it.

Don’t understand your question. The poster thought it was bizarre that someone wouldn’t want to travel to the US if they were pregnant. I was explaining why. It has nothing to do with Trump being elected, if that’s what you mean, but that wasn’t the question. Republican states in the US are definitely not the ideal place to be if you’re pregnant, whatever the government colours of the day.

Listen to his former Chief of Staff and others who have worked closely with him. These are not left wing commentators with an agenda to topple the Republicans. They are people on the right who previously supported him and then realised what he actually was after working with him.

They have all said that he is not fit for public office. The American people have chosen to ignore the warnings. History will be the judge.

Do you really look into the politicians of every country you visit? If you didn't listen to the news you wouldn't be thinking like this. The other politicians are no angels.

This type of shit won him the elections. They overkilled the changes but spouting this.

Who has abortions to their hearts content anyway? Idiot.