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Original poster

To cancel plans to visit USA.

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LeighaStand · 06/11/2024 07:45

Given that Trump is elected.

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HelenaWaiting · 06/11/2024 23:27

Frowningprovidence · 06/11/2024 08:14

That doesn't answer the question.

I dont know if trump being president means other states will now ban abortion also, or whether it will just be up to each state to decide and plenty will still retain abortions.

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I strongly suggest you read Project 25. He has no intention of leaving it up to the states.

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LeighaStand · 06/11/2024 23:21

Some interesting and wide ranging views.

For me, definitely a moral and ethical dilemma ( as with some other countries) rather than a simplistic ‘Trump won't know’.

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timenowplease · 06/11/2024 21:13

DdraigGoch · 06/11/2024 21:02

The US isn't a democracy, it's a plutocracy. Have you seen the sums of money which go into presidential elections?

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Interesting.

Wikipedia seems to think calling Western democracies plutocracies is fascist..

In the political jargon and propaganda of Fascist Italy, Nazi Germany and the Communist International, Western democratic states were referred to as plutocracies, with the implication being that a small number of extremely wealthy individuals were controlling the countries and holding them to ransom.[14][15] Plutocracy replaced democracy and capitalism as the principal fascist term for the U.S. and Great Britain during World War II.[15][16] In Nazi Germany, it was often used as a dog whistle term for Jewish people in their antisemitic propaganda.[15] Joseph Goebbels, the Reich Minister of Propaganda, found the term to be particularly favorable, describing it as "the main concept at which the ideological struggle will be aimed".[17]

Plutocracy - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plutocracy#cite_note-marxists.org-14

DdraigGoch · 06/11/2024 21:02

timenowplease · 06/11/2024 09:04

Very demure, very mindful.

It's democracy, stupid. Be thankful it still works.

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The US isn't a democracy, it's a plutocracy. Have you seen the sums of money which go into presidential elections?

Justsayit123 · 06/11/2024 20:38

Don’t go if you don’t want to. just do t tell anyone IRL as it’s pathetic. Ffs

Taishan · 06/11/2024 20:20

LeighaStand · 06/11/2024 07:45

Given that Trump is elected.

Are you stupid?
What if any effect will it make difference to your holiday?

jersey2021 · 06/11/2024 20:18

Seems I’m in the minority but very much looking forward to my second visit this year to the states and I’ve just come back from my second visit to Dubai of the year! America is a very large country so I don’t think you’ll run in to him and Dubai is an amazing place to visit!

Fullofpudding · 06/11/2024 20:17

Werecat · 06/11/2024 08:00

Oh for heavens sake, stop being silly. Life will continue, pretty calmly actually. The USA will continue to be fine to visit. Stop with the overreacting.

This!!

Vitriolinsanity · 06/11/2024 20:13

It's not like Disneyland and Universal are going to be effected by Trump's victory.

How many American tourists do you think are put off by the politics of the UK?

Cherry8809 · 06/11/2024 19:48

Are you not a big fan of democracy?

PrincessOlga · 06/11/2024 19:48

StMarieforme · 06/11/2024 19:43

Have you ever stopped to think that a racist misogynist ableist homophobe convicted criminal President may not have the best affect on an already racist misogynistic ableist homophobic country?

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I like history and I do remember the USA saving Europe from the Nazis. It has obviously changed a bit since then, but could you maybe give the year this happened? Or did it happen gradually?

Also, did the same thing happen in Canada and Mexico? If not, why?

Thanks so much if you can take the time to write a bit, it sounds interesting.

Feelingathomenow · 06/11/2024 19:47

StMarieforme · 06/11/2024 19:43

Have you ever stopped to think that a racist misogynist ableist homophobe convicted criminal President may not have the best affect on an already racist misogynistic ableist homophobic country?

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Well the Democrats don’t do much better on most of those things.

EverythingAllatOnceAllTheTime · 06/11/2024 19:46

StMarieforme · 06/11/2024 19:43

Have you ever stopped to think that a racist misogynist ableist homophobe convicted criminal President may not have the best affect on an already racist misogynistic ableist homophobic country?

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72 million voters would take issue with your question, and how you framed it.

The remaining voters might meanwhile take issue with your description of the US.

StMarieforme · 06/11/2024 19:44

@StopPinsAndNeedles what a vile thing to say. As if it's ever an easy decision.

StMarieforme · 06/11/2024 19:43

Werecat · 06/11/2024 08:00

Oh for heavens sake, stop being silly. Life will continue, pretty calmly actually. The USA will continue to be fine to visit. Stop with the overreacting.

Have you ever stopped to think that a racist misogynist ableist homophobe convicted criminal President may not have the best affect on an already racist misogynistic ableist homophobic country?

StMarieforme · 06/11/2024 19:41

HelpMeGetThrough · 06/11/2024 07:57

I'm off there next week for work. I can't see any reason for cancelling the visit.

Well he's not in till January.

StMarieforme · 06/11/2024 19:40

StopPinsAndNeedles · 06/11/2024 07:49

It's good news for women, now that we will have the definition and safeguarding back.

World war was on the cards regardless, it's bad news for Europe as Putin will push pass Ukraine.

What on earth?! Good news for women?!

You are deluded and a disgrace to women.

StMarieforme · 06/11/2024 19:39

ForgottenPasswordNewAccount · 06/11/2024 07:48

Yes, I would.
Same as I would not visit Dubai

Right there with you re USA and Dubai. Never understood how people reconcile it in their heads!

StMarieforme · 06/11/2024 19:38

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 06/11/2024 07:48

Yanbu at all. I wouldn't be setting foot in a country that had just elected a leader with fascist tendencies.

Snap.

Ytcsghisn · 06/11/2024 19:22

OP you are massively unreasonable to depriving Trump and America of your gracious presence. Trump will be distraught.

lasagnelle · 06/11/2024 19:17

Do whatever you want mate

ForGreyKoala · 06/11/2024 19:16

AnnoyedAsAllHeck · 06/11/2024 15:59

I can understand that. I feel the same about the UK, tbh. Rainy, expensive and too many whiners running around.

I do laugh though, a country the size of Europe but with less to see. We may be a "new country" compared to Europe but there are hundreds of places to see. I also think some of the world is just too ignorant to know that. 😆

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Well said. There sure are some ignorant Brits on MN, and yet they seem to think they are superior to the rest of us who are fortunate enough not to live there.

LemonyCoughSyrup · 06/11/2024 19:08

I will go as I have family there and go there on work trips, it’s ridiculous to think suddenly the country has changed as they voted in someone. They felt like this before the vote and will when Trump isn’t there. It’s just part of US culture. I despise him but there’s a lot more to the US than their president and millions didn’t vote for him

ForGreyKoala · 06/11/2024 19:03

Katiesaidthat · 06/11/2024 09:30

You are spectacularly missing the point. I don´t travel to certain countries as I don´t like their religion, and don´t spend money in regimes that impose the death penalty. Those are my red lines. Whether those countries will care, will be in financial ruin or not, is irrelevant.

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So all you are doing is making yourself feel morally superior - no-one else cares, why do we need to know?

YankSplaining · 06/11/2024 18:35

sunflowersngunpowdr · 06/11/2024 18:05

Then don't go. I doubt that any American (or anyone else) cares.

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Speaking as an American - no, we don’t. Do whatever you want, OP, no one here is going to know the difference.