To cancel plans to visit USA.

A president who thinks it’s fine to grab women by the pussy. Still he knows what a woman is so hooray for Trump.

StopPinsAndNeedles · Today 07:49

It's good news for women

Pardon me?

Fascist? Heard it all now

There are many countries I actively avoid for political reasons. Appreciate that I'm just one person, and not likely to bump into the leaders/change makers whilst there, but I don't want to give them my money/support by being a tourist in their country. So if this tips America into that pot for you then I can understand.

How is trump a fascist? I see him as a populist.

Not such great news for the women who want to be pregnant, have miscarriages, and are refused treatment such as D&Cs to prevent sepsis, because treatment of miscarriages is too abortion-adjacent and is now illegal for 1/3 of American women. Another woman died last week.

Well yea, I think abortions should be a choice everywhere but we are now discussing the US. It's not the same as not going to France because in Poland abortions are illegal, they are not part of the same country and aren't ruled by the same (orange) president. The US is actively choosing to become a more dangerous place for women to live in by changing laws that allow women reasonable healthcare. This only affects women, not men.

I wouldn't cancel an existing one but I don't think I'll be planning to go there in the foreseeable. Certainly no pregnant woman should travel there unless she really has to because if she has any complications... well, we've seen what's happening already and that's before a national ban which will almost certainly happen now.

To all those wondering why the OP might think of cancelling... not everyone would want to put their hard earned cash into a fascist regime.

I feel the same. I don’t want to support the economy of country that has elected a misogynist, megalomaniacal lunatic tbh.

Will be trying to avoid American brands as much as possible going forward.

I cannot stand the smell and when it's everywhere, I end up with a massive headache.

I mean, I’m as disappointed as the next person about the result, but America was divided before this election, and would have been just as divided if Harris has won. It’s a bit nonsensical to use the election result as a line in the sand on that score. In fact if anything, exit polls suggest Trump has united a more diverse voter base than expected.

Is America a divided country? Yes
is it unwelcoming of tourists? No moreso than the next place
is it unsafe? Depends where you go and what your risk tolerance is. Tbh it’s probably safer today than it would have been if Harris won- civil unrest from Trumps thugs was a real possibility.

You do you, but you were daft to book that holiday in the first place if those are your concerns today. They held true then.

It was the supreme court that overturned the previous 1973 law abortions being legal and the states that now don't allow abortions are conservative voting states.

And what do you mean they can move states? Should all pregnant women move to a different state in case they get sick or injured during pregnancy and needs healthcare?

It’s a bit arbitrary to suddenly have this stance now. This is the America it’s been for the last 10yrs, with each candidate gaining control of office by a hairline percentage each time.

Got back from New York 2 days ago. Didn't feel the least bit unsafe as opposed to other times I've been there. The bothersome thing was the legalisation of cannabis more than anything. The stench was repulsive, rather like Trump.

If you holiday based on politically and democratically elected leaders I wouldn't bother leaving your house

Why would you feel unsafe compared to if a democrat was president? Trumps going to increase funding for law enforcement.

when is your holiday? He’s not actually going to become the president for months yet.

I don't like the "definition" of woman to be "walking incubator" and unwilling "sperm receptacle" anymore than "a woman is whatever someone says it is".

Looking at the above, they don't seem all that different. They are just worded differently.

Yup, it's "great" news for women. /s

It's ok to choose not to visit a country if the overall ethics, rules and laws you fundamentally disagree with. Many people on mumsnet say that about Duabi so I don't see an issue with you feeling that way about the US. They have lots of tourists that feel differently so are unlikely to be phased by this.

Exactly like Poland and Malta then. A woman in Poland died fairly recently for the same reason.

The US has the same abortion policy as the EU - it’s up to member states to decide.

Not going to France because abortion is illegal in Poland is daft, same way not going to New York for the same reason is daft.

Definition of woman as "inferiour sub human who must be kept in line and pregnant "

And you are happy ?

No we don't have a definition of woman back , we have an historic vile definition that women have spent centuries trying to overcome

I'd say America has got worse since Trump has not been in power. Massive homelessness everywhere. San Francisco pretty much a no go area. Shops constantly looted. Venice beach now a mess. So I haven't been the last few years as it's gone downhill rapidly. Hopefully there will now be a change which is clearly what the Americans want too

That’s your prerogative. I’m disappointed he’s back in but it won’t stop us going to the USA.

I’m an American ex-pat and not going back. YANBU