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DH just told me he expects me to miss-out on a work thing and deal with childcare so he can go to the pub.

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Poppyfie1ds · 05/11/2024 21:24

I know this sounds like I'm expecting him to ask permission, but I'm not; quite the opposite in fact. Hear me out. My DH(M39) and me (F38) work for the same company both full time. We have DS (11). Now the company are doing a 'fun day' party type thing at the office in a couple of weeks time. Working at the same company we are obviously both invited. When it was announced a couple of months ago I asked DH if he was going and he grumpily told me it wasn't his sort of thing, so no, he'd stay out the office that day. Fast forward to today, and while I'm cooking dinner, DH gets back from the office and tells me "he can't remember if he mentioned it" (he didn't because it turns out it was only agreed a few hours ago) but after this fun day, some male colleagues and himself are going to the pub. At no time (not even after our row tonight) has he asked me if I'm planning to go to this fun day or show any interest in my plans.

Like a lot of parents, even without the added pub trip there would be the school run to consider if we're both in the office on the same day. So I was super p-off and said "so I guess I'll be doing the school run?" At which point DH picks up my annoyance and starts hypothetically roping in our parents to babysit. I got really annoyed and said that we work at the same place, we have childcare to consider we really need to be talking to each other in the planning stage and not presenting each other with "I'm doing this - it's agreed with everyone except you and the babysitters". DH has a history of presenting me with his plans in this way and if childcare is an issue just assuming the grandparents will step in, without actually checking with them. This fun day thing is a relatively minor issue on its own, but tonight was the straw that broke the camel's back.

DH has called me deranged for being annoyed. He tells me he'll pull out from the pub trip "if it will make me happy" as if he's being the good guy here, instead of the guy who doesn't talk to his wife about any of his plans, assumes others will deal with the childcare and who apparently can't say to his male colleagues 'I'll just check who's doing the school run and get back to you.' DH says that what I'm expecting from him isn't normal. It's not even really about the pub for me, it's about me now not being able to attend a work thing without any discussion - the grandparents won't be able to step in because they don't like to drive in the dark and it will be dark early, and I actually think there is some sort of school concert that evening too, which I've not even bothered reminding him of.

DH routinely presents me with complete 'this is happening' plans that have knock on affects to childcare (not to mention my plans) and I have to either smile, nod and deal with it, or point out some objection and be accused of "stopping him." I'm currently annoyed but remarkably calm. DH has had a complete hissy-fit and says he'll never make plans or go out again and that it's always like this. I am not his mum, I don't want to be presented with his plans for me to grant permission or get in his way, I want DH to be talking to me about his plans as he arranges them, like a grown up who is part of a family unit. I don't event book a hairdressing appointment without checking childcare is covered and it doesn't inconvenience anyone first.

Thank you for reading, that was cathartic. I guess I need to ask, have I got this wrong, AIBU?

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Marblesbackagain · 06/11/2024 10:15

Drop the rope @Poppyfie1ds . Stand firm.

It's his fuck up he has to sort, the more you do the worse he will become. Ignore his sexist crap.

His comments about checking with you I would tear apart. He had the opportunity to use an adult solution, a shared calendar but he was incapable.

His lack is the reason you both can't use a shared calendar. Exactly how do you plan your events, does he not value as an equal.

So it is either be an adult or be treated like a child who can't manage cooperation.

Poppyfie1ds · 06/11/2024 10:03

Further row, thank you for being my outlet and support right now.

DH can't understand why I'm upset and is actively belittling me for even being upset about this because he reckons the childcare stuff can be sorted [and waves his hand] and that I'm just upsetting myself and being hyperbolic for no reason. In his head it's a practical issue that he's already solved. It can be solved, if I work it all out around what he wants to do and change my plans. He is deliberately being obtuse about my simple request of checking and talking with the family BEFORE making plans, this includes speaking to DS to see if they are happy to get the bus potentially in the dark. DH even asked me what he's meant to say to his friends when they are making plans, my suggestion of saying 'Sounds good, I check what DW/DS are doing and get back to you' was met with mockery.

Of course we can facilitate his drinking on a practical level with compromise from me and DS. And I'm not an ogre, I've regularly driven 20/30 miles in the dark with DS in PJ's in the back to pick up DS from nights out with friends. I'm just tired about having no other choice than saying yes or risk getting this 'how dare you be upset' attitude from him. I'm pretty chilled most of the time so me being upset is pretty unusual but he has absolutely no tolerance for me being annoyed. If I'm annoyed DH says it's my own doing and DH thinks if I carry on being annoyed for more than an hour, I'm being deranged.

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Naunet · 06/11/2024 08:51

Ugh, yep, that would drive me nuts too. He’s going to keep doing this if you’re always going to be the one to give up your plans though. When he told you, why not just say “ok but don’t forget I have the work thing, so you’ll need to arrange childcare if you’re now going out” and then leave him to it? You’re taking on the responsibility of his fuck up and making it your problem, instead leave it to him.

justbeingasmartarse · 06/11/2024 08:46

I would just say “fine, but your organising childcare because I won’t be there remember?”

LookItsMeAgain · 06/11/2024 08:37

I'm just wondering why you can't go to the fun day part and return home and he can go to the pub bit and come home after that? Is there a logistical reason why that couldn't be done so you both get to enjoy at least part of the day?

Mamasperspective · 06/11/2024 08:31

Don't hold on to your annoyance - he's being selfish. Just tell him "Great - you pulling out of the pub trip works" and make him pull out and do the childcare. If he expects you to say thanks, just say, "You want me to thank you for doing a father's duties?"

Go and enjoy the fun day!

rookiemere · 06/11/2024 08:22

Missamyp · 06/11/2024 07:51

Why can't he pick up? You go to the work thing, then swap, and he goes to the pub. Relationships work better when they are collaborative rather than in the trenches firing rockets at each other.
The communication is poor my solution means both get to do what you want.

So your solution is that OP - who from the sounds of it rarely goes out - has to leave by a certain time so her DH can go to the pub? Oh and presumably she also then gets to drive back to the school for the evening performance.
All this rather than the parent who said they didn't want to attend the work party and knew his DW was going to, simply doing the parenting for one evening like he was meant to.

There's being collaborative and there's being a doormat.

Mirandawrongs · 06/11/2024 07:52

Can people stop saying “childcare” or “babysitting”?
it’s called parenting. He obviously doesn’t want to be a parent and he doesn’t need to be as OP will do it for him.

what a prince

Missamyp · 06/11/2024 07:51

Why can't he pick up? You go to the work thing, then swap, and he goes to the pub. Relationships work better when they are collaborative rather than in the trenches firing rockets at each other.
The communication is poor my solution means both get to do what you want.

Soontobe60 · 06/11/2024 07:50

Am I missing something here? There’s a works thing happening that he doesn’t want to go to. But he wants to meet up with his friends for a drink after the thing. Are you intending on going to it? Did you discuss that with him? It really sounds like you’re making a big deal of this. My DH and I often do things separately. We don’t ask each other, we make arrangements, put it on the calendar then sort out the finer details later. When our DC were young, we’d sort childcare out between us nearer the time.

rookiemere · 06/11/2024 07:50

Totally on team @Poppyfie1ds, DH is normally ok but seems to have a habit of forgetting any arrangements I make, more through sheer forgetfulness than anything.

The one thing I would say is that your DS is 11. I get that the public bus is unreliable but this is a good age to get him used to taking it from time to time when it is needed and gradually building up his independence. Presumably he has a mobile so can call if the public bus doesn't turn up.Otherwise you will be dealing with the school run for another 7 years.

JudyKing · 06/11/2024 07:48

Yeah, I’d be pissed off too. My ex-husband used to do the same. I’d just be informed of the evenings he’d be going on the piss over the next few weeks and it was expected I’d stay home with the kids. I was never invited and if I ever dared to suggest I’d like to do something in three months time then it was met with sighs and moans as he didn’t want to ‘babysit’ (his own children).

AsMyGranWouldSay · 06/11/2024 07:41

What a baby, no offence to actual babies.

My exH would repeatedly prearrange things that got in the way of my freedom/fun/plans, then either squirrel out of responsibility with weaponised incompetence or gaslighting. And when that didn't work, straight-up abuse.

Everyone thought he was affable and fun. He was extra helpful to anyone other than his own family. It was a prison partly made up of my own blind "kindness".

Agree with pp.

Advice: don't justify and explain yourself, just tell him what is or is not happening. Say no more often.

Phonicshaskilledmeoff · 06/11/2024 07:26

Cant you have shared work calendars? We had school pick ups and night outs noted in there.
we also had a shared one note for longer term plans

Fedupwithteenagers24 · 06/11/2024 07:23

Purplewarrior · 05/11/2024 21:32

I would call his bluff and say yes, you will have to cancel your pub trip.

Exactly this
He phrased it in a way that backed you into a corner. Just smile and say thanks and let him do the childcare

Comtesse · 06/11/2024 07:23

Alalalala · 05/11/2024 22:04

Agree that he needs to cancel and you go to the event. Let him sulk and be a martyr about it and breezily ignore his shit.

I think this is the key. At some point you’re going to have to do this. He is getting his (unreasonable) way because you relent when he huffs and is bad tempered. You are being manipulated by his emotions. Hold the line - he offered to cancel, let him feel that pain and take up his offer.

And no you are NOT deranged - but he is being manipulative and entitled and stubborn.

Hufflemuff · 06/11/2024 07:14

Everyone else already made a lot of the points I would make about him being an idiot etc...

However one thing struck me that i wanted to ask: Is there any truth in it, when he says you're always huffy/finding issue with his plans? Could that be why he puts it off telling you? Looking at that completely from his side, would you come to that conclusion?

Pickled21 · 06/11/2024 07:07

This isn't just about one argument. You have bigger issues in your marriage and this should highlight them to you. He puts his needs and wants above you and his child. You are expected to fall in line and when he doesn't get his way resorts to name calling. You are a family so not unreasonable to check in with each other. Whilst you hadn't explicitly stared you were going to the fun day you had implied that you were and anyway he has stated that it wasn't his thing and he didn't want to go. He's changed the goalposts and then got in a hump and gaslit you. These are the issues that I couldn't and wouldn't put up with. If you are the only one that ever considers your child in plans you make and life in general would it not just be easier to get rid of the dh so you don't have a dead weight to deal with too? As ypu acquiesce him the resentment and frustration will only build.

For now I'd likely tell him a few home truths. However, you might have different boundaries to me so telling him you are going to the fun day and he will be doing the school run, collections might be the best approach.

Volumedelachanel · 06/11/2024 06:43

Backfromswimming · 05/11/2024 21:42

He tells me he'll pull out from the pub trip "if it will make me happy"

Rather than let him guilt trip, I’d smile and say it very much would make me happy, that I was glad he was seeing sense and being considerate.
Don’t give it another thought and feign disinterest if he mentions it in future.

Definitely do this. and don't feel one iota of guilt. He feels none.

CatamaranViper · 06/11/2024 06:36

Challenge him and be direct.

"Why do you expect me to change plans to accommodate yours? You knew I wanted to go to the fun day and now you're telling me I can't. How is that fair?"

"If I'm a "terrible wife who won't let you go anywhere", why are you still married to me?"

"I always cave and change plans to accommodate you (give example) and it stops now. Stop trying to guilt trip me"

"You've really taken the shine off of what was meant to be a nice day that you actively said you weren't going to attend. That's really sad"

user1492757084 · 06/11/2024 06:35

This

Billybagpuss · 06/11/2024 06:35

Have you ever pointed out he’s not letting you do things as the dc are joint responsibility.

Doingmybest12 · 06/11/2024 06:29

I'd remind him that he was working from home so doing school pick up and there is a school concert that night. Don't get involved in anything else .

AlertCat · 06/11/2024 06:26

Poppyfie1ds · 05/11/2024 22:49

Ooo sorry I'll just answer this one before I go. It's logistics that make this difficult we work far away from home when we go to the office. He's not working from home that day any more and didn't tell me this, he's booked-in to work from the office first thing then go to the fun day later, then he will go from the office for drinks locally. I am also booked similar as he said he wasn't going in and I was even hoping to join some after work drinks myself - but was waiting to see if DS was required at the school concert first. I actually don't care about the pub stuff so much as one of us will have to cancel our work plans and he's assumed it will be me without speaking to me.

I got a summer tutoring job one year on fairly good money. I started it and all was going well, Ex was also on holidays and had our dc while I did this. Then he was offered some work as well. Rather than arranging things so we could both do our jobs, he just left me to have dc. I tried taking her to the tutoring job but it didn’t work and I had to give it up.

at the end of the summer Ex told me he’d paid his overdraft off thanks to the job he did. My overdraft was very much not paid off.

My relationship was actually emotionally abusive, which is what concerns me with this. Hopefully it doesn’t go that far, but gaslighting and silent treatment, grumping etc are not good behaviours to face in a relationship.

ExcludedatfiveFML · 06/11/2024 06:25

It's his child

How can he babysit his own child?