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Woman’s death could have been due to parked cars

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MikeRafone · 05/11/2024 13:00

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj6k7n734jgo

something should be done to prevent drivers blocking emergency vehicles

lines in red on narrow roads to show width of vehicle and if if your car doesn’t fit park elsewhere ( not on pavement)

Philomena who had long dark brown hair and is wearing a turquoise top sitting on a blue sofa holding a car that says "Mum"

Turf Lodge family of woman who died blame parked cars for delayed ambulance

A car had to be moved before an ambulance could get down the street to a woman in cardiac arrest.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj6k7n734jgo

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Getonwitit · 05/11/2024 15:30

soupfiend · 05/11/2024 13:02

You should park on the pavement in order for emergency vehicles to fit down certain streets. There are areas where you should and areas where you shouldnt.

Here in Scotland it is against the law to park on the pavement. If a road is too narrow for you to park shift your car and park elsewhere.

milveycrohn · 05/11/2024 15:29

Normally if a road is too narrow for emergency vehicles, the local council will mark one side for parking, and the other side with yellow lines.
Also, depending on the width of the pavements, I have also seen roads, with parking marked as being half on the pavement and half in the road. I presume the council find this cheaper than redoing the pavement, aspecially as it has trees along each side. In this case the pavement was marked, but it still infuriates my DH, who says they should not be parking on the pavement. I think the pavement is still wide enough for wheelcairs and buggies to pass.
If cars are unable to park on one side (very narrow road), then both sides would have to be no parking.

coffeesaveslives · 05/11/2024 15:25

I live on a road where you have to park on the pavement on one side - and yes, there are council signs telling you to do so.

If both sides parked "properly" you wouldn't fit a normal car down, let alone the emergency services or the bin lorries. And before someone says it, no, there isn't somewhere else to park. The entire town centre is disc parking (so one hour only) and the only free car park is at Tesco which has a two hour limit anyway.

Blanket rules of "you shouldn't do x" simply
don't work when different areas of the country have such vast differences in infrastructure and space.

blankittyblank · 05/11/2024 15:21

buffyajp · 05/11/2024 13:35

There is no area where you should. If the road is that narrow then simply you should not park there. Even if it does mean you aren’t directly outside your house. Your car does not take priority over wheelchair users and buggy’s

There are. This is near where I live. The cars are supposed to park half on the pavement

Woman’s death could have been due to parked cars
DinosaurMunch · 05/11/2024 15:19

sharpclawedkitten · 05/11/2024 15:10

Exactly that. And I'd hazard a guess that more people have had accidents due to being forced into the road than dying because an ambulance couldn't get to them in time due to a narrow street.

More people have accidents due to cars mounting the pavement than ambulances getting delayed ...

It should be that (if you don't have parking space on your property) you rent a parking space near your home and if a space isn't available within a distance that suits you, you can't have a car. Not the current free for all. Pay car parking provided for visitors

WinterCoatsHelp · 05/11/2024 15:17

SerendipityJane · 05/11/2024 15:03

And it makes it seem like disabled people are the bad guys for stopping emergency services from getting through

I thought everyone know that disabled people are the cause of all societies problems ?

(Note to self, get my radio fixed. It only seems to pick up Tory FM at the moment).

😂

Fairyflaps · 05/11/2024 15:12

We've had similar issues with fire engines near us, due to cars parked on corners (illegally).

sharpclawedkitten · 05/11/2024 15:10

JeremiahBullfrog · 05/11/2024 13:34

If there isn't space to park without blocking either ambulances or wheelchairs you should park somewhere else. Sorry, you don't have a right to park wherever you like.

Exactly that. And I'd hazard a guess that more people have had accidents due to being forced into the road than dying because an ambulance couldn't get to them in time due to a narrow street.

PinkSparklyPussyCat · 05/11/2024 15:06

NameChangeForReason · 05/11/2024 13:24

And then people in wheelchairs, with buggies and assistance dogs can't get by.
The answer is less cars and not using pavements to store personal property.

It depends on the pavement. The pavement outside my house is wide enough to park a car with two wheels on it and easily get a pram, wheelchair etc. past. In fact you can park with all four wheels on the pavement and still get past (I only know this because I was told by the police to do it on one occasion).

FrequentlyAskedQuestion · 05/11/2024 15:04

Park on the pavement, even one wheel, in London outside the zones where a kerbside notice and white lines indicate parking is allowed on the pavement- and you will get a ticket.

A fire engine turning into our road had to go back out and round a big block to get to a house with flames pouring out of the roof because of parking too close to a junction. There are double yellows there now.

SerendipityJane · 05/11/2024 15:03

And it makes it seem like disabled people are the bad guys for stopping emergency services from getting through

I thought everyone know that disabled people are the cause of all societies problems ?

(Note to self, get my radio fixed. It only seems to pick up Tory FM at the moment).

Boobygravy · 05/11/2024 14:58

I live in a cul de sac of 9 houses.
Every house has enough room to park 2 cars on their driveway.
There’s regularly 2 vehicles, often work vans parked each side at the entrance to our cul de sac.
I struggle to get through with my car, emergency services wouldn’t get in.

It’s the 30/40 year olds that each park one car on the road. All us old folk park on our drives.
They don’t want to move cars around, they want to jump straight in and go.

lasagnelle · 05/11/2024 14:58

mathanxiety · 05/11/2024 14:57

Where I live, there are a few narrow streets where you can only park on one side of the street. If you park on the wrong side you risk being ticketed and also towed.

During the snow season, if we get more than 2 inches of snow, all main streets have a parking ban, and all side streets are one side parking only on alternate days. On odd number days, you can park on the odd number side and even days you can park on the even number side (house numbering system is very systematic). This is to allow ploughs to clear snow effectively.

This is clever

mathanxiety · 05/11/2024 14:57

Where I live, there are a few narrow streets where you can only park on one side of the street. If you park on the wrong side you risk being ticketed and also towed.

During the snow season, if we get more than 2 inches of snow, all main streets have a parking ban, and all side streets are one side parking only on alternate days. On odd number days, you can park on the odd number side and even days you can park on the even number side (house numbering system is very systematic). This is to allow ploughs to clear snow effectively.

NotSmallButFunSize · 05/11/2024 14:57

NameChangeForReason · 05/11/2024 14:04

No one likes a pedant

I do! 😂

lasagnelle · 05/11/2024 14:54

WinterCoatsHelp · 05/11/2024 14:54

And it makes it seem like disabled people are the bad guys for stopping emergency services from getting through, if we very reasonably ask people to stop blocking the pavements. We just want to get around. And we want ambulances and fire engines etc to get through - after all, some of us are more likely to need them as well

Yes this isn't an emergancy services vs wheelchair situation

Bluevelvetsofa · 05/11/2024 14:54

This is because people are determined to park as close to their house as they can possibly get, with no thought to the consequences for others. It’s not dissimilar to parking outside schools, although that’s for a shorter time obviously. People just feel they’re entitled. Until they find themselves in need of an emergency vehicle that can’t get through.

It’s clear that if you are a family living in a terraced house, with two or three cars, there won’t be space for them. Lots of people here complain that there’s insufficient parking and are aghast when people suggest walking a little way.

WinterCoatsHelp · 05/11/2024 14:54

And it makes it seem like disabled people are the bad guys for stopping emergency services from getting through, if we very reasonably ask people to stop blocking the pavements. We just want to get around. And we want ambulances and fire engines etc to get through - after all, some of us are more likely to need them as well

WinterCoatsHelp · 05/11/2024 14:52

SerendipityJane · 05/11/2024 14:39

Just to be boring, wheelchairs are not the same as pedestrians or pushchairs. They can't just drop down a 4"-6" kerb where a pedestrian can step down and a pushchair can be lowered down.

If a wheelchair user reaches an obstruction and there is no dropped kerb, that wheelchair user can jolly well turn around and fuck back off to wherever they came from. Which may or may not be the intention.

Yep.
And I really dislike this idea that wheelchair users and blind people are in opposition with emergency services. The options shouldn't be "screw over disabled people" or "screw over emergency services". Plus if blind/ VI or D/deaf person has to walk in the road they're at much higher risk of being hit by a car, which is going to require an ambulance to be called out instead of attending somewhere else. The same for wheelchair users, it can be a long way along the road until the next dropped kerb, we are the height of a child and unable to jump out the way if a car comes without paying attention.
Park somewhere else, and campaign for society to have less reliance on cars (better public transport, for example), or better infrastructure for car parking. In lots of Spanish towns there's a carpark underneath each apartment block, for example.

AInightingale · 05/11/2024 14:52

TickingAlongNicely · 05/11/2024 13:25

More likely,parking will be banned on one side of the road. Then people will complain over lack of parking...

I presume this is an area where the streets predate every household having a car, and both the pavement and road is narrow.

Not so much that, but it is a part of Belfast where the city's main hospital complex is close by, which is an absolute nightmare to park in, and staff and visitors/outpatients tend to park in nearby areas. Which makes it even worse really.

JudgeJ · 05/11/2024 14:51

NameChangeForReason · 05/11/2024 14:04

No one likes a pedant

No-one should accept poor grammar.

EilonwyWithRedGoldHair · 05/11/2024 14:50

buffyajp · 05/11/2024 13:40

That is absolute nonsense and you are the sort of car driver that gives others a bad name. The answer is to ban parking there. The height of selfishness expecting disabled and vulnerable children in buggies to walk on the road so you can be a lazy arse and park practically in your living room rather than walking a few minutes or shock, horror using public transport.

I grew up in the south Wales valleys, row upon row of terraced houses, narrow streets. It wouldn't necessarily be only a few minutes away, and public transport isn't always great - for example when I worked in Cardiff, the last bus home was 6.08, if I missed that the next bus to get to my nearest town was 7.15, and then had an hour wait for a second bus, so finishing at 6pm could mean getting home at 9.20ish.

I should point out that I don't drive, I fully understand the downsides of public transport, and that they need to be fixed before we can expect people to give up/reduce car usage. And it needs to be cheaper! I wanted to take DS to our nearest small town, I found they'd changed the zones and it would have been £10 for return tickets for the two of us! DH drove us instead.

lasagnelle · 05/11/2024 14:50

Webbb · 05/11/2024 14:49

Gosh what a sad thing to happen. Her poor family will always wonder 'what if' now.

Even sadder that lessons weren't learnt and the funeral car couldn't get down either.

Yes shocking lack of disrespect from the neighbours

lasagnelle · 05/11/2024 14:50

SerendipityJane · 05/11/2024 14:39

Just to be boring, wheelchairs are not the same as pedestrians or pushchairs. They can't just drop down a 4"-6" kerb where a pedestrian can step down and a pushchair can be lowered down.

If a wheelchair user reaches an obstruction and there is no dropped kerb, that wheelchair user can jolly well turn around and fuck back off to wherever they came from. Which may or may not be the intention.

Not boring at all. This is the daily challenges that need to be taken in mind

NewFriendlyLadybird · 05/11/2024 14:49

buffyajp · 05/11/2024 13:35

There is no area where you should. If the road is that narrow then simply you should not park there. Even if it does mean you aren’t directly outside your house. Your car does not take priority over wheelchair users and buggy’s

Where I live the road markings direct people to park on the pavements as part of the controlled parking zone. The roads predate cars. And there is nowhere else to park. So this is an area where you should.