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Woman’s death could have been due to parked cars

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MikeRafone · 05/11/2024 13:00

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj6k7n734jgo

something should be done to prevent drivers blocking emergency vehicles

lines in red on narrow roads to show width of vehicle and if if your car doesn’t fit park elsewhere ( not on pavement)

Philomena who had long dark brown hair and is wearing a turquoise top sitting on a blue sofa holding a car that says "Mum"

Turf Lodge family of woman who died blame parked cars for delayed ambulance

A car had to be moved before an ambulance could get down the street to a woman in cardiac arrest.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj6k7n734jgo

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sharpclawedkitten · 06/11/2024 09:30

Kpo58 · 05/11/2024 19:57

They really need to ban all the stupidity massive cars that are being sold now. Some are so wide now, that they take up almost the entirety of the single lane road near me forcing pedestrians into the bushes at the side. The older cars and vans don't have this problem.

Yes, this is a major issue. Nobody needs a car that size. People managed in the not so distant past with smaller cars, and with bigger families in most cases.

sharpclawedkitten · 06/11/2024 09:28

cathcath2 · 05/11/2024 18:50

It isn't as simple as that. Look at this picture

It is that simple. There are estates where it is expected that you park partly on pavements, but that leaves both vehicles AND pedestrians room to get by.

Otherwise, you don't park there, you find somewhere else to park.

The previous government was going to legislate on this, but didn't.

Auburngal · 06/11/2024 08:31

This is a road about 10 mins from me. I know the owner of the white car owns one of the houses in this shot of SV but why doesn't she park on the driveway?https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.5913506,-1.1071586,3a,24.6y,301.66h,86.75t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sFqvJkjGsWyj8KZJXxW4WyQ!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D3.25330547303642%26panoid%3DFqvJkjGsWyj8KZJXxW4WyQ%26yaw%3D301.662628292821!7i16384!8i8192?coh=205410&entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI0MTAyOS4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D

I know this is a road is a busy road normally as its the road that takes people to Leicester city centre and to the M1/M69 as well (about 4 miles away) but still. Though plenty of room for pushchairs/wheelchairs to pass her car

DdraigGoch · 06/11/2024 01:20

sharpclawedkitten · 05/11/2024 15:10

Exactly that. And I'd hazard a guess that more people have had accidents due to being forced into the road than dying because an ambulance couldn't get to them in time due to a narrow street.

It shouldn't be one or the other. If the road isn't wide enough for cars to park without obstructing the footpath or carriageway then cars shouldn't park there.

Fizbosshoes · 05/11/2024 21:46

Rightiojames · 05/11/2024 14:12

Yes. My road is one, where the car box lines are clearly marked half on the road half on the pavement.

Yes a road near us is mainly victorian terraces, the residents parking bays are marked half on the pavement. It put me off buying a house there (partly because I'm shit at parallel parking) but I've no idea where people would park if they weren't allowed to use the road at all

Manxexile · 05/11/2024 21:27

midgetastic · 05/11/2024 18:57

Highway Code

Don't park on the pavement unless it's explicitly signed as acceptable

No. The Highway Code is not as categoric as that. What it says is:

"You MUST NOT park partially or wholly on the pavement in London, and should not do so elsewhere unless signs permit it. Parking on the pavement can obstruct and seriously inconvenience pedestrians, people in wheelchairs or with visual impairments and people with prams or pushchairs"

That's not written very well (I think there ought to be a comma after "elsewhere") but it's basically saying that in London parking on the pavement is totally forbidden, unless expressly permitted by signage.

Outside London there is no blanket ban on parking on the pavement, but you should do your best to avoid doing so for the reasons given. Outside London you don't need a sign permitting parking on the pavement to do so - so long as you are not obstructing the pavement or causing any other offence.

The key to the difference between London and elsewhere is in the use of "MUST NOT" in respect of London and "should not" in respect of elsewhere.

PS - I believe there is also since last year a blanket ban on pavement parking in Scotland

Nat6999 · 05/11/2024 20:56

Where I live, an estate built in the early 1960's there aren't even enough spaces for 1 car per household, yet we have massive areas of grass outside each block of flats that could be reduced to make par king areas but for the refusal of the council to fund it or we have a massive site that used to be a primary school which is surfaced but locked & barred to stop anyone using it.

Manxexile · 05/11/2024 20:16

coffeesaveslives · 05/11/2024 17:43

As always with these threads, people seem to have no idea what parking etc. is like outside of their own area, and are super quick to criticise anyone who tries to explain that many people have no other choice.

Ultimately, the issue is with poor infrastructure and a huge lack of public, off-road parking - not with people who are just parking their cars where they've been told to park them.

And this ^

Manxexile · 05/11/2024 20:13

DagenhamDaisy · 05/11/2024 19:11

pavements aren’t for parking or storage of cars

Except they are, in boroughs where you have to park on the pavement because you're not allowed to park in the tiny narrow roads.

Ignoring those rules and parking in the tiny narrow roads, would block emergency services and get you a parking fine.

Barking and Dagenham is a perfect example of a borough where it's mainly pavement parking only, or incur a fine.

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This ^

I don't understand why so many posters seem to have difficulty grasping the idea that parking on the pavement does not necessarily cause problems to others and that very often, not only is there no alternative, but it's the only lawful way to park, and you'd get a ticket if parked on the road.

53 Parkway - Google Maps

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https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.5555968,0.102974,3a,90y,306.13h,85.21t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sNxf99HmYvNylajxRumSsEA!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D4.78690076305692%26panoid%3DNxf99HmYvNylajxRumSsEA%26yaw%3D306.12530210184224!7i16384!8i8192?coh=205410&entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI0MTAyOS4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D

Kpo58 · 05/11/2024 19:57

They really need to ban all the stupidity massive cars that are being sold now. Some are so wide now, that they take up almost the entirety of the single lane road near me forcing pedestrians into the bushes at the side. The older cars and vans don't have this problem.

lasagnelle · 05/11/2024 19:35

Manxexile · 05/11/2024 16:03

Did you miss the word "should" from @soupfiend's post?

There are places where you should park on the pavement because that's where you are meant to park.

There's a blanket ban on pavement parking throughout London - except where the local authority has authorised it, as here:

75 Darwin Dr - Google Maps

That's how you are meant to park to the right of that sign - two wheels on the footpath.

@soupfiend is most definitely not saying that you should park on the pavement if it would obstruct wheelchair users and other pavement users.

Parking on a pavement does not necessarily mean that other users are automatically obstructed. It obviously depends on the width of the pavement

The people of Darwin Drive need to practice they aren't doing it right

DagenhamDaisy · 05/11/2024 19:11

MikeRafone · 05/11/2024 17:30

If you park on the pavement you not only prevent pushchairs and wheelchairs from accessing the pavement- you also block access to their homes, they can’t get back into the pavement between the cars.

pavements aren’t for parking or storage of cars

pavements aren’t for parking or storage of cars

Except they are, in boroughs where you have to park on the pavement because you're not allowed to park in the tiny narrow roads.

Ignoring those rules and parking in the tiny narrow roads, would block emergency services and get you a parking fine.

Barking and Dagenham is a perfect example of a borough where it's mainly pavement parking only, or incur a fine.

WonderingWanda · 05/11/2024 19:11

I once posted a photo on our local Facebook group because I couldn't get through where 2 cars had parked. My car (Volvo xc60 isn't that wide and easily fits in normal parking spaces). The response (presumably from the owner of the blue car) was "The blue car is local and is always parked there!! " as if this excused the appalling parking. The blue car does indeed always park there leaving its own double driveway entirely empty every day, one can only assume to prevent any outsiders parking in what they perceive to be their space. Infuriating.

midgetastic · 05/11/2024 18:57

Highway Code

Don't park on the pavement unless it's explicitly signed as acceptable

Reugny · 05/11/2024 18:56

MikeRafone · 05/11/2024 17:30

If you park on the pavement you not only prevent pushchairs and wheelchairs from accessing the pavement- you also block access to their homes, they can’t get back into the pavement between the cars.

pavements aren’t for parking or storage of cars

The road I live on is wide and so are some of the pavements. The council has gone along the road and marked out some parts of the road and some parts of the pavement for parking on.

cathcath2 · 05/11/2024 18:50

Waffle78 · 05/11/2024 15:37

If there's no other option but to park on the pavement forcing pedestrians and WU into the road. Then you find somewhere else to park.

It isn't as simple as that. Look at this picture

Reugny · 05/11/2024 18:50

Fluufer · 05/11/2024 17:35

Commuting out of London is rather an odd choice to make, I can't imagine it accounts for much of the London traffic. Those who need to fine, but that's not going to be the majority of London car owners.

Tradesmen also have cars.

They tend to have larger cars if they can get away with it rather than a van as the locks are more secure.

Edited to add:
Nope not really. London is large and depends what you do for a job.

Also there are some people who commute from North to South London or East to West London to work.

Plenty of medical professionals I know have done this before they get promoted enough to a more senior role.

Auburngal · 05/11/2024 18:47

The problem is with new builds estates in my area is that it’s a good half an hour walk from
the nearest bus stop.

One estate I drove past over the weekend, about 4 miles from here, has been up for 6 years and there is not much of a pavement between the entrance to the estate and the village. So the pupils have to walk on a dangerous A road to catch the buses for the schools. Very stupid idea not to build a pavement.

PinkSparklyPussyCat · 05/11/2024 18:19

NewGreenDuck · 05/11/2024 18:14

Because people with visual impairment find it hard when cars are parked on the pavement. My oldest is registered blind and cars parking on the pavement causes issues. I'm sorry you don't think it causes problems , but it really does.
Most pavements on narrow roads are also narrow.

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Edited to add I understand that which is why I said it needs to be reviewed road by road rather than a blanket yes or no. There are pavements near me that are marked out for parking, they obviously work as they've been like it for years with no issues so it can be done elsewhere where the pavement is wide enough. It would require the council to actually do something useful for once so I won't hold my breath.

NewGreenDuck · 05/11/2024 18:14

Because people with visual impairment find it hard when cars are parked on the pavement. My oldest is registered blind and cars parking on the pavement causes issues. I'm sorry you don't think it causes problems , but it really does.
Most pavements on narrow roads are also narrow.

PinkSparklyPussyCat · 05/11/2024 18:07

NewGreenDuck · 05/11/2024 17:50

Please don't park on the pavement, it's a nightmare for people who have disabilities or are visually impaired. The answer is that we don't have parking on both sides of narrow roads. This had to happen in the city where I used to work. It was only when the fire engine could not get down the street that people understood why it was so stupid.

A blanket ban is pointless as not every road is too narrow, if changes are going to be made it needs to be reviewed road by road. Where I live we park with two wheels on the pavement on the wide side and completely on the road on the narrow side. There's still more room on the side where cars are parked on the pavement so what would be the point of banning it?

LadyChilli · 05/11/2024 17:55

soupfiend · 05/11/2024 13:30

Correct, we have to walk on the road but if the balance is that, or an emergency vehicle not getting to an emergency then Im afraid parking on the pavement wins over that

And of course others have made the argument too that there are too many cars but unfortunately life isnt black and white, huge swathes of the country dont have useable and viable alternatives for car use, particularly for those with mobility needs and buggies so by being very anti car, it disadvantages those as well.

There's the option of parking in a different street of course, and walking.

I saw a thread here recently filled with hatred for cyclists holding up drivers. Will these drivers be prepared to drive at walking pace behind the pedestrians who have to use the road?

coffeesaveslives · 05/11/2024 17:55

MikeRafone · 05/11/2024 17:47

It’s not narrow if it fits a car and a pushchair, even half a car and a pushchair wouldn’t be narrow.

Except that nobody is leaving their entire car (or even half their car) on the pavement, they're literally just putting their wheels up on the curb to make space, which is what they're told to do by the council, otherwise the road would be impassible to anything other than a normal car.

The same applies to every single other road around here, apart from the ones with residents only parking, which are out of bounds to everyone else anyway.

NewGreenDuck · 05/11/2024 17:50

soupfiend · 05/11/2024 13:02

You should park on the pavement in order for emergency vehicles to fit down certain streets. There are areas where you should and areas where you shouldnt.

Please don't park on the pavement, it's a nightmare for people who have disabilities or are visually impaired. The answer is that we don't have parking on both sides of narrow roads. This had to happen in the city where I used to work. It was only when the fire engine could not get down the street that people understood why it was so stupid.

MikeRafone · 05/11/2024 17:47

coffeesaveslives · 05/11/2024 17:45

Yes, and where I live does have narrow pavements, but there is still enough room to fit a wheelchair down them - I know because I see it happening every single day when our disabled neighbour goes out.

I'm sorry that doesn't fit your narrative of selfish pavement parkers blocking access for people though!

It’s not narrow if it fits a car and a pushchair, even half a car and a pushchair wouldn’t be narrow.

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