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Friend is so bitter!

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Cornishcockleshells · 05/11/2024 09:40

We are all mid/late40s. Friends for decades and live in close proximity for years.

A year and a half ago my friends dh left her for a woman he met at work. It has blown up the lives of my dear friend and her dc ( late primary school aged) until this point she had the most lovely bohemian life possible, and was happily married and her life she says has fallen apart.

We are part of a group and she has had the most amazing support from all of us. Her parents live a few minutes away and have looked after the dc, whilst we have taken her out and organised things for her, listened to her, fed her day in, day out. She is still devastated and depressed, and I know it’s been so difficult for her to come to terms with.

My aibu is more nuanced. In the last few months she has started coming out with really unkind statements. Words to the effect that she feels so bitter that she had my life once and now it's all gone.

I took her out for a spa day and she complained about it all day, she didn’t even thank me, it was very costly and miserable day in the end. Just lately she says oh your life is so perfect, or comments unkindly about a new sweater and even said she feels sorry for my dh!

Whilst I understand this has been awful, I am struggling to know how to navigate her bitterness and anger, it’s like my life mirrors her old life (which it did to be fair) and reminding her of everything she used to have/lost. Some of our other friends have started to distance themselves because it’s become too much.

My friend refuses to have counselling, even though it would greatly assist her process the changes happening to her.

Her financial situation will not be awful when everything finalises, but obviously she won’t have anything like the life she had before.

I feel like this is really coming between us now, but I don’t want to be insensitive, this has been so hard for her I am not surprised she is angry but it feels misdirected, maybe this is normal stage, if so, when might it end?

wwyd?

Thanks

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Iwantabrightsunnyday · 05/11/2024 20:14

Un4732 · 05/11/2024 12:23

OP I was the bitter one if I'm honest. My perfect life was blown up.

God only knows how my friends put up with me but they did - they must have listened to HOURS of all this bitterness and hate coming out (I apologise a lot for this!). 18 months is not long to adjust to a new life, betrayal and all the upheaval. Throw in a hideous divorce and all the legal wrangling - sheesh - poor woman.

It's been 6 years for me and I say it's only in the last 2 I'm back to myself. It's come with indifference to the situation - my life moved on (for the better - never thought I'd say that) and when things settle for your friend and she carves her new life, which hopefully will be better, you'll have her back and she'll be stronger.

All this back away, distance yourself advice...very cold and cruel - probably ones that have never had to go through it. It is arduous but I'm now there for two of my friends that are going through separation and i will be there no matter what and listen to all the hate because I know that's what's needed to process it all.

i love this one too

ZenNudist · 05/11/2024 20:13

I'd just take a massive step back from her. I think there is being supportive and there is being a punching bag.

You should still invite her to group events but no no no to paying for spa days or other treats. That's offensive to be so rude and ungrateful. I'd stop inviting her to lunches. Be less available. If she asks why you're going to have to level with her that she needs to stop with the nasty comments.

To be honest it sounds like she's always felt superior to you. Feeling sorry for your husband. Slagging off your new jumper. What a cow. I think she's always thought she was better than you and her other friends but now she has been dumped she needs to bring you down a peg or two.

Eventually she will find a new well off man and can afford to be magnanimous again.

Fancypopop · 05/11/2024 20:13

ShinyShona · 05/11/2024 20:10

I have read the whole thread and therefore won't take what the OP's friend claims at face value.

Consider this. Why would a man who doesn't want "his woman" working run off with a colleague who herself is still working 18 months later?

The OP has also told us her friend never worked, not even before children, and revelled in her role as a SAHP.

I think it is far more likely that the OP's friend refused to work, her husband lost respect for her and went off with a colleague and now she is in the phase of the breakup where she is still making every excuse under the sun to not work.

I wouldn't put someone with her sharp tongue above slandering her ex for sympathy either.

Exactly.

ShinyShona · 05/11/2024 20:10

echt · 05/11/2024 19:44

Nail on the head. All too often I see cases with a "SAHP" who benefited from cleaners, gardeners and even nannies. That's not really a SAHP and the people supporting this kind of lifestyle tend to have a breaking point.
Hat tip to real SAHPs though

Read what the OP has to say about her friend's relationship:

Not to drip feed but would it make any difference if I said we also found out her dh was awful behind closed doors, this is why in part she has never worked. We all work, mixture of pt and ft. I always assumed she was happy not to work, but obviously she didn’t have the choice, he wanted a ‘proper’ wife and wouldn’t hear of it.

I have read the whole thread and therefore won't take what the OP's friend claims at face value.

Consider this. Why would a man who doesn't want "his woman" working run off with a colleague who herself is still working 18 months later?

The OP has also told us her friend never worked, not even before children, and revelled in her role as a SAHP.

I think it is far more likely that the OP's friend refused to work, her husband lost respect for her and went off with a colleague and now she is in the phase of the breakup where she is still making every excuse under the sun to not work.

I wouldn't put someone with her sharp tongue above slandering her ex for sympathy either.

DoreenonTill8 · 05/11/2024 20:09

ShinyShona · 05/11/2024 20:04

You need to read the whole thread. There is a lot of circumstantial evidence that the OP's friend is lying about this.

Exactly, you think if she was so desperate to work and had been prevented against her will, she'd have plans and dreams, and at some point, had made some movement!

WillowTit · 05/11/2024 20:09

i wonder if it would be better to go and do something, rather than talking/crying and walking.
go for a swim
whatever?

CalmBalonz · 05/11/2024 20:08

Tell her whilst you are very sorry for what has happened to her you don't deserve all this shit that she is giving you and if it carries on you will be distancing yourself from her. She needs professional counselling by the sound if things.

ShinyShona · 05/11/2024 20:04

echt · 05/11/2024 19:41

Read the OP's post:

Not to drip feed but would it make any difference if I said we also found out her dh was awful behind closed doors, this is why in part she has never worked. We all work, mixture of pt and ft. I always assumed she was happy not to work, but obviously she didn’t have the choice, he wanted a ‘proper’ wife and wouldn’t hear of it.

You need to read the whole thread. There is a lot of circumstantial evidence that the OP's friend is lying about this.

Verge · 05/11/2024 20:03

I genuinely have the greatest of sympathy when this happens.
It is devastating and the grief is huge.

But her nastiness is completely unacceptable and no one is favouring her by tolerating it.
Her weight remark was vicious and I would not want to be around her.
I actually don't feel sorry for her hemorrhaging friends, she clearly neither appreciates them nor the huge efforts they have gone to for her.

Marriages do fall apart, but you don't turn on your friends and think you can be vile towards them.
There is a type that lashes out when life is hard, clearly she is that type.

Many women would feel so blessed to feel so supported.
I actually think none of you ever really knew the real her.
She has never faced adversity so how would you really know her?
Now she has and she turns absolutely vicious.
No thank you.
I would be giving her lots of space.
I think you are just seeing another side to her, that was always there, except hidden.
Speak to her if you wish, but I would think stepping back is wise.

Pippyls67 · 05/11/2024 19:59

She sounds depressed. Probably not the best time to distance yourself tbh. You could instead be really honest with her about how it’s upsetting you and draw up some rules and boundaries. Listen and empathise but tell her no negative comments allowed about your life or your children.

Nsky62 · 05/11/2024 19:56

LostittoBostik · 05/11/2024 10:58

"She has never worked, she met dh at university and they got married soon after and did some travelling. She had never had a job so it’s a big task now."

Ok this makes a LOT more sense now.

She's angry at herself for leaving herself so vulnerable and dependant. And she's taking it out on those closest to her.

Someone needs to actually say this to her. Someone who she won't abandon if they say it. I maybe have three friends who could say anything to me and I'd just have to listen... people who have known me since I was primary school age. Does she have anyone like that? What about her parents? Are they well? Does anyone know them well enough to intervene? What about a close siblings

Best to write a note so she can read it, the way I would choose to do it.
Why have her parents not been tough on her, we have crap to deal with , being nasty to others doesn’t help

Fancypopop · 05/11/2024 19:54

IdaPrentice · 05/11/2024 19:16

I think it's important to recognise that she may well be extremely depressed, and depression can present as anger (and of course negativity). That's not to say that you have to accept her nasty behaviour, and certainly you could distance yourself. But for all the PPs saying things like she's 'revealing her true self', have a read of this
https://www.priorygroup.com/blog/why-depression-may-look-like-anger

It's unfortunate that she won't go to therapy or counselling.

Her whole life has been shattered by this, all her future dreams of a life with her partner, her confidence in herself as a good judge of character, her trust in people, having to see her young children suffer the break up and answer their questions and support them when she's feeling devastated herself, of course she's struggling, and 1.5 years is no time, when she's reminded of everything she has lost all around her.

I mean, it may well be but the result and consequences are still the same. She’s refusing to get therapy so not much OP can do!

OP can’t be her therapist or her emotional scapegoat so the only thing to do is pull back and put boundaries in place. You can’t force people to seek help if they refuse to have it.

Maybe it would make this woman feel better to punch the OP in the face and get her anger out, doesn’t mean OP should allow that to happen 🤷🏻‍♀️

goody2shooz · 05/11/2024 19:52

@Iwantabrightsunnyday PITA - pain in the arse

Iwantabrightsunnyday · 05/11/2024 19:48

AnonymousBleep · 05/11/2024 11:05

Your life isn't hers, though, and never has been or will be. You are two separate people. Nobody has a 'right' to someone else's life, that's just massive entitlement. She sounds like a spoilt PITA tbh. I think you need to distance yourself for now, because you shouldn't be her emotional punchbag, and she needs to wake up and see that she's going to lose her friends as well as her husband if she takes her rage out on people who don't deserve it.

what is PITA?

echt · 05/11/2024 19:44

Nail on the head. All too often I see cases with a "SAHP" who benefited from cleaners, gardeners and even nannies. That's not really a SAHP and the people supporting this kind of lifestyle tend to have a breaking point.
Hat tip to real SAHPs though

Read what the OP has to say about her friend's relationship:

Not to drip feed but would it make any difference if I said we also found out her dh was awful behind closed doors, this is why in part she has never worked. We all work, mixture of pt and ft. I always assumed she was happy not to work, but obviously she didn’t have the choice, he wanted a ‘proper’ wife and wouldn’t hear of it.

Iwantabrightsunnyday · 05/11/2024 19:43

LostittoBostik · 05/11/2024 10:58

"She has never worked, she met dh at university and they got married soon after and did some travelling. She had never had a job so it’s a big task now."

Ok this makes a LOT more sense now.

She's angry at herself for leaving herself so vulnerable and dependant. And she's taking it out on those closest to her.

Someone needs to actually say this to her. Someone who she won't abandon if they say it. I maybe have three friends who could say anything to me and I'd just have to listen... people who have known me since I was primary school age. Does she have anyone like that? What about her parents? Are they well? Does anyone know them well enough to intervene? What about a close siblings

I like that point also. Knocking it right where it hurts, no matter the puss in there, squeese it. It is needed

echt · 05/11/2024 19:41

PerkyPeachMaker · 05/11/2024 19:05

Au contraire while I don't condone cheating - it doesn't sound like their values were aligned. Sounds like he was going to leave anyway with or without someone else lined up. I'm not saying she is to blame or that he isn't a cheating POS but...

As PP have said few men will pay to keep a woman at home baking, gardening and whatnot. Most SAHM I know are incredibly busy, either caring for SEN children/elderly parents, or economising as much as possible. They don't have this much free time.

Honestly, I bet she thought herself superior to everyone else, thinking she had it made. Now that it's all crumbled she's revealing her true thoughts about her friends. Mental health issues/depression/etc magnifies underlying tendencies, that are masked in the good times. It doesn't create them.

In any case her friends have to protect their own mental health whatever the cause of her negativity, they're not obligated to put up with it.

Especially as her comments might have hit a nerve with other people. I for example struggle with my weight and being told I'm too fat would be an unforgivable blow. I'd have dropped her like a stone.

Edited

Read the OP's post:

Not to drip feed but would it make any difference if I said we also found out her dh was awful behind closed doors, this is why in part she has never worked. We all work, mixture of pt and ft. I always assumed she was happy not to work, but obviously she didn’t have the choice, he wanted a ‘proper’ wife and wouldn’t hear of it.

AnnaMagnani · 05/11/2024 19:41

@rainingsnoring @duchessofsilk I think I meant it more as an example that it is OK for the OP to back away from the friendship.

Adult friendships are often connected to common interests or common lifestyles. OP's friend doesn't have that anymore.
While OP's friend is being incredibly rude, it probably is best for all parties for her to be enabled to move on to different friends, than keep trying to support her while she endlessly lashes out.

NonPlayerCharacter · 05/11/2024 19:38

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I feel like there is an absolute wall of text missing between those two paragraphs to explain how you got from para 1 to para 2 because I haven't seen a leap like that since I last went to see Matthew Bourne. It makes even less sense than the cryptic and seemingly irrelevant comment about men having money or not having money or whatever it was.

duchessofsilk · 05/11/2024 19:34

AnnaMagnani · 05/11/2024 19:25

When my mum was widowed she spent the next 2 years slowly dumping almost all of her friends and creating a whole new social circle.

She is still friends with 2 of the original group but no idea why those two.

She isn't woe is me, but something about being with the original group just didn't work for her in bereavement or after.

Which is fine- people change and sometimes after traumatic events you do seek new people in your life.

What is not fine is insulting people who are going out of their way to support and care for you.

Huge difference between those two things.

Iwantabrightsunnyday · 05/11/2024 19:33

BruhWhy · 05/11/2024 10:39

If I were you, I wouldn't be able to shake the feeling that she'd been feeling rather smug and superior in her life and spent your entire friendship looking down on you all. Now it's all fallen apart she cannot comprehend how YOU or your "fat" friend could possibly maintain your marriage and she lost hers.

These thoughts she's verbalising, this vitriol she's spewing, it's been there all along. It's just been cushioned with the knowledge that she's got it all, she's never had to say it aloud until now how much she sees you all as beneath her.

I would distance myself. You've been a good friend, you've done your part. I wouldn't put up with any more abuse.

absolutely true; whatever we say, we thought it first, for a very long time

rainingsnoring · 05/11/2024 19:32

AnnaMagnani · 05/11/2024 19:25

When my mum was widowed she spent the next 2 years slowly dumping almost all of her friends and creating a whole new social circle.

She is still friends with 2 of the original group but no idea why those two.

She isn't woe is me, but something about being with the original group just didn't work for her in bereavement or after.

I can understand that if her friendship group was made of lots of couples who did things together. If she had close, female friendships, I think that would be less likely to happen. I do think it's understandable to pull back from certain friendships under some circumstances but not to be awful to people.

rainingsnoring · 05/11/2024 19:30

'Honestly, I bet she thought herself superior to everyone else, thinking she had it made. Now that it's all crumbled she's revealing her true thoughts about her friends. Mental health issues/depression/etc magnifies underlying tendencies, that are masked in the good times. It doesn't create them.'

I think you are spot on here @PerkyPeachMaker It's a bit like people get drunk; a few change into crazy, aggressive people, others become more talkative, make lots of jokes, laugh a lot or become very affectionate. I think it is quite revealing.
People don't suddenly change their characters totally when awful things happen to them. I've had a couple of friends divorce from their cheating husbands in recent years, one under particularly horrible circumstances. They have both still been just as wonderful as before. They have talked about their problems and complained about their ex husbands, as expected, but they have never, ever turned on their friends.

ShinyShona · 05/11/2024 19:28

IdaPrentice · 05/11/2024 19:19

What a nasty, jealous, reverse-snob post.
"Honestly, I bet she thought herself superior to everyone else, thinking she had it made. " That's total projection, you know nothing about her.

I doubt it's projection. This type of woman (and man actually, there is a male version) are fairly typical at what you find at FDRs, normally getting their arse handed to them by a judge!

AnnaMagnani · 05/11/2024 19:25

When my mum was widowed she spent the next 2 years slowly dumping almost all of her friends and creating a whole new social circle.

She is still friends with 2 of the original group but no idea why those two.

She isn't woe is me, but something about being with the original group just didn't work for her in bereavement or after.