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alegalalien · 04/11/2024 19:49

Has anybody experienced parental alienation where your children have been turned against you by your spouse? Or any experience of it within your social circle of family. I have a family member who is experiencing this and it is terribly sad.

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Onbdy · 27/01/2026 08:13

PassingStranger · 26/01/2026 21:16

20 years old is old enough to see his father. Separately. He must either be weak or not interested.

@PassingStranger
Or still living with his mother who he is mostly financially dependent on. He knows what the consequences would be if he made any contact! It’s hard to explain but this woman really is a piece of work! DH is a strong man but even after counselling he is still scared of her. Controlling and abusive women do exist!

PassingStranger · 26/01/2026 21:16

Onbdy · 25/01/2026 21:39

Yes, DHs ex has done this. He had a good relationship with his son until he left her. She was very controlling (DH needed counselling to find the courage to leave her in the first place) After he left her she poisoned their son’s head full of shit about his father because this was the only thing she could still control. It’s been 7 years now and her social media is still full of constant posts about DH and how he is a narcissist. (He’s far from it!) to the point where it’s embarrassing. The son is now in his 20s but still lives with her and sadly even if he did want a relationship with his father she would make his life hell. DH is really affected by it and I think he has concluded that he may have to wait until his son has left home before rebuilding the relationship.

20 years old is old enough to see his father. Separately. He must either be weak or not interested.

Onbdy · 25/01/2026 21:39

Yes, DHs ex has done this. He had a good relationship with his son until he left her. She was very controlling (DH needed counselling to find the courage to leave her in the first place) After he left her she poisoned their son’s head full of shit about his father because this was the only thing she could still control. It’s been 7 years now and her social media is still full of constant posts about DH and how he is a narcissist. (He’s far from it!) to the point where it’s embarrassing. The son is now in his 20s but still lives with her and sadly even if he did want a relationship with his father she would make his life hell. DH is really affected by it and I think he has concluded that he may have to wait until his son has left home before rebuilding the relationship.

Finallysawthelight · 25/01/2026 21:24

Ifthishelps · 04/11/2024 22:05

Yes. DS and I have suffered parental alienation. Not by an xp, but at the hands of my own parent.
It went something like this.
I grew up with a Narcissistic mother and an enabling father. My sister was the golden child and I was the scapegoat.
Sister grew up, married and left home.
Shortly afterwards, I had DS and my mother made DS the golden child.
Mother had always longed for a son and never had one.
I remained the scapegoat.
Over a number of years, my mother and to a lesser degree, my sister, alienated DS and myself and when DS was 16, my mother invited him to live with her.
DS left and was treated as a superhero by my mother.
I see now that this was in a quest for my mother to avoid being lonely.
I tried to maintain a relationship with DS and was successful for a number of years. At one point, he returned home claiming my mother was controlling and manipulative, however, DS returned a couple of years later and from that point on, my mother did everything she could to keep us apart. She changed his phone number, on the basis she would pay the bill for him, refused to have me in her house when DS was there, and I can only imagine the things she said to him.
DS became very abrupt and cold towards me in a matter of weeks after returning to my mother's house.
And then suddenly one day, he simply refused to talk to me. He refused to give me any idea of what had gone wrong.

Our last conversation was where I told him i loved him and he was always welcome to come for a coffee and a chat about anything at all, and I would listen to anything he had to say and take it in.
I apologised for anything I had done to hurt him and told him that my door would always remain open for him at any time of the day or night.
I have had no contact with him since then, and only my mother knows where he is now.
Our last conversation was more than a decade ago.

It is an awful heartbreaking situation to be in, for both parent and child and I don't talk to people irl about it.
I know people will judge and say I must know what I did to make DS cut all contact, but I know I truly honestly have no idea. I have spent years going over everything, and have drawn a blank.
Yes, I have raised my voice at DS when he was a child. Yes, I have gotten frustrated when he was a child and removed his privileges, such as playing his Xbox when his behaviour was challenging but I also loved him beyond measure and let him know this every single day!
I was the mum who taught DS right from wrong but I was also the mum who stood in the rain at the edge of the football pitch, the mum who played Xbox with him, the mum who had his friends in the house, the mum who cuddled up watching films, who took him to the zoo and marvelled at his view of the world.
I was the mum who adored him and wanted him to be happy.
I never believed it could happen to us, my friends who knew us throughout DS's childhood are just as blindsided by it, or so they say.
I have devoured literature on abuse and can honestly say I have never abused DS in any way, however, he is entitled to feel hurt by any of my actions or words that he feels hurt by, whether that was my intention at the time or not. It is not up to me how long or how hurt he can be and I accept that completely!

He has now moved out of my mother's and lives alone somewhere. When I last spoke to my mother to explain how the loss of my son has broken me, she told me I was making a mountain out of a molehill and in fact, she was the injured party, because she was now completely alone and apparently DS has cut her off and she doesn't know where he is.
Whether this is the truth or not, I do not know.
An experience such as this leaves you with deep trust issues.

If I had one wish, one prayer answered, it would be for DS to be happy, wherever he is, and whomever he is with.
If not knowing me makes him happy, that is a price I am prepared to pay.
It has taken me a long time and an ocean of tears to get to the point where I feel I am living with this rather than dying of it.

I used to tell my son he lit up my life, that he was like a big lighthouse, lighting up my life. He turned my life from black and white into full technicolour!
I know he loved me and I loved him very deeply. We told each other this all of the time.
I hope his light hasn't dimmed and he is living a life that brings him joy, even if that means we are apart.
And if the day should come when he knocks on my door, I shall do what I told him I would do, I shall listen to whatever he has to say, whether that's to talk about his reasons for cutting me off or just about the weather, or maybe we will just sit in silence. Just to be in the same space as him again would truly be a blessing!
Parental alienation hurts parents, but let's not forget that it also devastates children!

I will always love my son and once upon a time, I know that he loved me.

I know this post is not new but @Ifthishelps your reply had me in tears! You've been very resilient, strong and understanding in the face of such difficulties. I'm currently going through something similar with my son and STBX (STBX is abusive and controlling) and sadly my adult son is very much under his dad's control and manipulation. I hope you're back in touch with your son and things are improving for you. Feel free to DM 💐

Pol1961 · 10/10/2025 17:26

Tjis is a cjhannel from a formerly alienated daughter .. there is some great information here on PA ... https://www.youtube.com/@TheAnti-AlienationProject

Before you continue to YouTube

https://www.youtube.com/@TheAnti-AlienationProject

everychildmatters · 10/10/2025 13:03

@Cookaburraa Has he appealed this in court? It's very unfair.

Cookaburraa · 10/10/2025 13:03

I have stepchildren and their mum does her best to alienate them from their dad. She’s moved them hours away, “forgets” to call or make them available for collection, and down-talks us to them all the time to the extent that they often repeat it to our faces.

It’s sad and I’m sure it’ll only escalate as they age. Children become like the people they spend the most time with.

Pol1961 · 10/10/2025 12:47

Parental Alienation is real - even long term opponent of Parental Alienation espouses its damage - Barrister Charlotte Proudman has made statements that Parental Alienation is bogus but has now seen the reality - The BBC further investigates Parental Alienation https://www.facebook.com/reel/1209721870985725 Mybe it is now time for the PA deniers to change their flwed narratice and help address this awful child abuse

researchers3 · 08/10/2025 22:56

flipdiddle81 · 06/11/2024 06:54

it’s a tragedy
that all would have been avoided by simply no contact once you had children

Your posts are so helpful! 😆

everychildmatters · 08/10/2025 22:47

@researchers3 I also married one of those. Did he alienate your children?

researchers3 · 08/10/2025 22:41

Ifthishelps · 05/11/2024 14:02

Just to mention as well that it is incredibly difficult to view close family members you have grown up with as abusive or Narcissistic. That takes a long time, sometimes it never happens.
What happens more often than not is you internalise the message that there is something wrong with you, that you are responsible for the poor treatment, you are to blame and if only you would try harder, you could be accepted by the family.
It starts in childhood and continues until you come to the startling realisation that you are the scapegoat in a Narcissistic family dynamic, where others are flying monkeys or golden children. You are literally on your own as a scapegoat and you believe what these people are telling you.
This gives them an enormous amount of control over you while you focus on fighting to be good enough, to be accepted, to be heard, only to fail over and over and your needs are largely ignored.
You spend most of your life being told you are not enough and you believe it.

That's my experience.

When I realised my mother was a narcissist and my sister was the golden child, from that point on, the fog gradually began to lift.

This.

And then I went and married the cleverest, most manipulative covert narcissist you could imagine.

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flipdiddle81 · 06/11/2024 17:50

You moved away with your son
but they would collect him from school and come to your house?

flipdiddle81 · 06/11/2024 17:48

Ifthishelps · 06/11/2024 17:46

My mother and sister didn't present as evil people. They presented as people who wanted to help, who wanted what was best for me.
They weren't evil creatures who looked like grotesque monsters and pinched me and spat at me through gritted teeth from a dark corner.
People who are abusive are not abusive all of the time, sometimes, they are not even abusive a lot of the time, and when they lose control and become abusive, they are very good at blaming you for it and justifying their actions or words.

If a parent tells a child something over and over, they believe it!
When they realise its not true, they become confused!

Escaping a Narcissistic family dynamic is not dissimilar to the boiling frog analogy, and if I were to use that analogy, I would agree that no one would stay in a pot of boiling water, they would leap out. Of course that's true! But in a narcissistic family, the water wasn't boiling when you first got in, it heated up slowly!!
At what point do you leap out?
When the heat is intolerable!
Do you take your children out of every situation you find intolerable even when they are having fun?
My DS adored his GM and she adored him. DS was never the scapegoat. He was the golden child!

but how did they present to you?

Ifthishelps · 06/11/2024 17:46

My mother and sister didn't present as evil people. They presented as people who wanted to help, who wanted what was best for me.
They weren't evil creatures who looked like grotesque monsters and pinched me and spat at me through gritted teeth from a dark corner.
People who are abusive are not abusive all of the time, sometimes, they are not even abusive a lot of the time, and when they lose control and become abusive, they are very good at blaming you for it and justifying their actions or words.

If a parent tells a child something over and over, they believe it!
When they realise its not true, they become confused!

Escaping a Narcissistic family dynamic is not dissimilar to the boiling frog analogy, and if I were to use that analogy, I would agree that no one would stay in a pot of boiling water, they would leap out. Of course that's true! But in a narcissistic family, the water wasn't boiling when you first got in, it heated up slowly!!
At what point do you leap out?
When the heat is intolerable!
Do you take your children out of every situation you find intolerable even when they are having fun?
My DS adored his GM and she adored him. DS was never the scapegoat. He was the golden child!

Pol1961 · 06/11/2024 07:20

GothRedWineDance · 05/11/2024 23:11

I'm so sorry you've been through it too. I don't know anyone in 'real life' who's experienced the horror of this type of abuse and as such, it can make you feel very alone and ashamed in a strange sort of way, even though older, wiser you knows the fault lies entirely at their feet. Hugs to all of us souls struggling with toxic families like ours.

This youtube channel says it all run by an alienated girl now a woman - who discovered the sad reality of parental alienation https://www.youtube.com/@TheAnti-AlienationProject

Before you continue to YouTube

https://www.youtube.com/@TheAnti-AlienationProject

flipdiddle81 · 06/11/2024 06:54

it is so hard to get my head around having these evil people in my children’s lives to such an extent that they are able to form even closer attachments to the evil people than to me… their own mother

flipdiddle81 · 06/11/2024 06:54

it’s a tragedy
that all would have been avoided by simply no contact once you had children

flipdiddle81 · 06/11/2024 06:52

what i find so sad is that the toxicity you endured at the hands of your mothers

your children were also exposed to throughout their childhood and now you are estranged from them (and sometimes also estranged from the toxic mother, so the child is now completely estranged) … and so the cycles continues

GothRedWineDance · 05/11/2024 23:11

Ladyofthetramp · 05/11/2024 21:13

You've put it so much better than I ever could

Unless you've lived it,you can't understand it

I wanted my mother to love me and by extension,my children

It wasn't never going to happen-she hates me and was waiting for her chance

At the time,I was desperate to be loved-if it happened now,I'd be laughing at her while flicking the finger as I walked away

I'm so sorry you've been through it too. I don't know anyone in 'real life' who's experienced the horror of this type of abuse and as such, it can make you feel very alone and ashamed in a strange sort of way, even though older, wiser you knows the fault lies entirely at their feet. Hugs to all of us souls struggling with toxic families like ours.

Ladyofthetramp · 05/11/2024 21:13

GothRedWineDance · 05/11/2024 16:27

From one scapegoat to another - i understand totally and share your pain. Fwiw, I've learnt over time that unless you have direct experience of this type of family set up, other people will never ever get it. I've mostly given up trying to explain - even the loveliest of friends will scratch their heads and think ' surely it can't be that bad...why did you not fight back and stand your ground'. Or worse, buy into the narrative that there must be something wrong with YOU, that you must have done something so heinous to warrant such alienation. Which adds another layer of hurt, when even outsiders have deemed you rotten. Your analogy of being in a complete fog where you can't tell up from down, is especially fitting. Anyway, sorry just a long winded way of saying I see you and feel your pain.

You've put it so much better than I ever could

Unless you've lived it,you can't understand it

I wanted my mother to love me and by extension,my children

It wasn't never going to happen-she hates me and was waiting for her chance

At the time,I was desperate to be loved-if it happened now,I'd be laughing at her while flicking the finger as I walked away

GothRedWineDance · 05/11/2024 16:27

Ifthishelps · 05/11/2024 16:02

I need to be honest with my son? Honest about what exactly? He refuses to speak to me. He refuses to be in the same street as me, let alone the same building or the same room.
Whilst I appreciate your response, I really don't think you understand the dynamics of a Narcissistic family set up.
Scapegoats live in a complete fog! They can't think straight. I think unless you have had direct experience of it, you can only imagine what you would do in those circumstances.
You are coming from a place where you were brought up in a happy healthy family. This will shape the angle you imagine you would come at it from.

From one scapegoat to another - i understand totally and share your pain. Fwiw, I've learnt over time that unless you have direct experience of this type of family set up, other people will never ever get it. I've mostly given up trying to explain - even the loveliest of friends will scratch their heads and think ' surely it can't be that bad...why did you not fight back and stand your ground'. Or worse, buy into the narrative that there must be something wrong with YOU, that you must have done something so heinous to warrant such alienation. Which adds another layer of hurt, when even outsiders have deemed you rotten. Your analogy of being in a complete fog where you can't tell up from down, is especially fitting. Anyway, sorry just a long winded way of saying I see you and feel your pain.

Ifthishelps · 05/11/2024 16:02

flipdiddle81 · 05/11/2024 15:12

by teen too late if they’ve had unfettered access to someone

it was the years as a baby, toddler, primary… when you could have moved far away and / or told nursery / school to never allow them to collect. He was a baby and young child and primary pupil under your roof.

I know this is harsh. I know. But if you truly want to build bridges with your son, you need to be 100% honest with him.

I need to be honest with my son? Honest about what exactly? He refuses to speak to me. He refuses to be in the same street as me, let alone the same building or the same room.
Whilst I appreciate your response, I really don't think you understand the dynamics of a Narcissistic family set up.
Scapegoats live in a complete fog! They can't think straight. I think unless you have had direct experience of it, you can only imagine what you would do in those circumstances.
You are coming from a place where you were brought up in a happy healthy family. This will shape the angle you imagine you would come at it from.

flipdiddle81 · 05/11/2024 15:15

She was (still is) their grandmother and I believed that having contact with her was in their interests-after all,you hear that grandparents are important to their grandchildren

what? this is what i can’t get my head around
even if she treated my child like a princess
the very person she was and what i knew she was capable of would mean she would have zero contact with my daughter

flipdiddle81 · 05/11/2024 15:13

how ever you are right
i had a very happy and healthy childhood, as have my children and consequently i do struggle with understanding why you simply didn’t move away.

but that is on me

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