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Trying to help DD reception RWI phonics !

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buld · 04/11/2024 19:15

I'm just trying to help my DD and trying to get to grips with the RWI phonics system.

Can someone advise ?

They were assessed before half term and are now in groups.

DD can sound out words and then say them- so

She'll go M A T - MAT. What she can't yet do is do the M A T bit in her head and just say the word in its own. She knows all the sounds they're supposed to know at this stage. In her reading log book, the teachers wrote she was ' reading words ' by the second or third week. Now she needs to learn to sound them out in her head, rather than out loud. How long does that stage take and how can I help her ? Is she on track or behind ?

How can I help her get on track if she's behind ? Thank you.

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Wigglywoowho · 04/11/2024 21:13

buld · 04/11/2024 21:05

I've got a lot of stuff already. I also have the red words, like YOU I THE- when do they learn those ?

I've also got the other cards they've not seemed to learn yet- like NK NG AE OO I think they've touched on sounds like SH.

I also have some red books with sentences. I have so much but I'm finding it hard to put in order what she should be doing.

I've started her on some of those red words and some of the NK NG sounds. But very little. I just showed her a couple of times as I am not sure that's what she should be doing, so I don't want to confuse her.

I think you need to slow down. They aren't there yet in class. Just reinforce what she's already learning. Let her be clever and show off what she can do rather than stretch her to much. Have they given you worksheets as homework and the Fred talk videos. We get a worksheet with a QR code that takes you to the video and do the worksheets.

buld · 04/11/2024 21:10

FcukTheDay · 04/11/2024 21:00

Point to the word. Fred talk, so sound out loud. Then Fred in your head, point to each letter, remember to remind that it's Fred in our head. Then say Fred talk, read the word.

Maybe invest in the RWI sound cards, set 1 and 2. Give Ruth Misken a watch. I think she is already doing great so don't worry!

I have the set 1 and 2 sounds at home. She knows set 1 sounds. She doesn't know set 2 sounds yet. I'm not sure when they'll learn them.

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Wigglywoowho · 04/11/2024 21:09

She sounds like she's doing great. My youngest is in reception and at the same stage. I've been told that she's doing great. Most of the kids in her class are still learning the letter sounds.

I have the reading eggs app and that has really helped her with her sounds. I also got the Julia Donaldson Song Birds books so we can read something more exciting than the RWI books.

They come along slot between Reception and Year 1. My eldest is in year 1 and reads fluently.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Donaldsons-Songbirds-Oxford-Phonics-Collection/dp/0192776517/ref=asc_df_0192776517/?tag=googshopuk-21&linkCode=df0&hvadid=696450770345&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=12105547734472770775&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9046010&hvtargid=pla-956942530485&psc=1&mcid=d47074eafbc8363f9b395a2ff33e71ae&gad_source=1

Amazon.co.uk

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Donaldsons-Songbirds-Oxford-Phonics-Collection/dp/0192776517/ref=asc_df_0192776517?gad_source=1&hvadid=696450770345&hvdev=m&hvlocphy=9046010&hvnetw=g&hvrand=12105547734472770775&hvtargid=pla-956942530485&linkCode=df0&mcid=d47074eafbc8363f9b395a2ff33e71ae&psc=1&tag=mumsnet&ascsubtag=mnforum-am-i-being-unreasonable-5202586-trying-to-help-dd-reception-rwi-phonics

buld · 04/11/2024 21:05

FcukTheDay · 04/11/2024 21:00

Point to the word. Fred talk, so sound out loud. Then Fred in your head, point to each letter, remember to remind that it's Fred in our head. Then say Fred talk, read the word.

Maybe invest in the RWI sound cards, set 1 and 2. Give Ruth Misken a watch. I think she is already doing great so don't worry!

I've got a lot of stuff already. I also have the red words, like YOU I THE- when do they learn those ?

I've also got the other cards they've not seemed to learn yet- like NK NG AE OO I think they've touched on sounds like SH.

I also have some red books with sentences. I have so much but I'm finding it hard to put in order what she should be doing.

I've started her on some of those red words and some of the NK NG sounds. But very little. I just showed her a couple of times as I am not sure that's what she should be doing, so I don't want to confuse her.

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FcukTheDay · 04/11/2024 21:00

Point to the word. Fred talk, so sound out loud. Then Fred in your head, point to each letter, remember to remind that it's Fred in our head. Then say Fred talk, read the word.

Maybe invest in the RWI sound cards, set 1 and 2. Give Ruth Misken a watch. I think she is already doing great so don't worry!

Tooffless · 04/11/2024 20:55

My DS started reception this year, not doing RWI but he's at a similar stage. I actually encourage him to sound out allowed because then I know he's making all the right sounds. It's still very early days and if he's using the wrong sound and I don't catch it then it could provide a rocky foundation.

Dramatic · 04/11/2024 20:51

It sounds like she's doing very well. My daughter is in reception and also doing RWI, they don't send any books at all home until after xmas at her school. I think some schools tend to rush through and some take a more laid back approach.

As an aside I wouldn't worry about their ability in reception, it has very little bearing on how they'll do later on. Anecdotally my eldest was a great reader and very good academically throughout primary but got majorly stressed out with exams and just about scraped 3 GCSEs, my younger daughter was put on the SEN register in year 2 because she could barely read at all and struggled in absolutely every subject, she's now in year 10 and is predicted to get very good grades at GCSE. So try not to put too much pressure on her or yourself, she is doing great.

Entertainmentcentral · 04/11/2024 20:40

If she's confident making the sounds it really doesn't matter where anyone is in the process. Phonics bloom has a great online game if she needs practice making the different sounds.

Jessie1259 · 04/11/2024 20:39

Sorry meant to quote @Bushmillsbabe
It's because she needs to know the sounds to be able to sound out unknown words and for spelling. If you learn words by sight what happens when you come to a word that you haven't seen before? Or how do you spell a word you've only heard and not seen? I think all teachers would want her to be able to sound out the words.

Sounds like your dd is doing really well OP, mine wasn't blending until just after Christmas but once he got it he loved reading and always had his head in a book. Actually he's still the same now he's 18!

buld · 04/11/2024 20:37

katmarie · 04/11/2024 20:28

The sound belnding book has no sentences, just short words, like Mat, Dad, Pop, Dot, etc. She also has a book with a picture story in without any words, where you're supposed to look through it and talk about what's happening in the story, what sounds you might hear, what the characters might be saying etc.

Ok thanks ! She also has the one you have with just one word, dad, pop, dot.

We don't have the ones with just pics no words yet.

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katmarie · 04/11/2024 20:37

Remembering from DS's experience they will work through the little sound blending books, then they go onto the colour scheme books which go in order, green, purple, pink, orange, yellow, blue, grey, getting more challenging and adding more sounds and groups of sounds as they go.

For context as I mentioned DS is in year 2, reading fairly fluently, passed his phonics assessment with no trouble at the end of year 1, and he is currently working through the blue set.

katmarie · 04/11/2024 20:31

In fact these are the books she is bringing home at the moment.

Read Write Inc. Phonics: Sound Blending Book Bag Books Mixed Pack of 10 (Read Write Inc. Phonics Book Bag Books) amzn.eu/d/5qytLlq

katmarie · 04/11/2024 20:28

The sound belnding book has no sentences, just short words, like Mat, Dad, Pop, Dot, etc. She also has a book with a picture story in without any words, where you're supposed to look through it and talk about what's happening in the story, what sounds you might hear, what the characters might be saying etc.

buld · 04/11/2024 20:22

katmarie · 04/11/2024 20:17

I have a dd in reception doing RWI, and she is just in the sounding out/blending stage now. She had the first of the little sound blending books home before half term. Her teachers seem to be super happy with her progress, and she's about where her older brother was at the same point in time, he's now in year 2 and reading fairly fluently.

So I'd say your dd is doing great.

What's the book like ? Does it have sentences or just words ?

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Posithor · 04/11/2024 20:19

My daughter is in year one she's just started reading in her head and it happened super fast i.e she was sounding out words to reading in a much more fluid way from one week to the next - honestly at 4&5 I'd just be encouraging her to read sounds like she's doing brilliantly.

katmarie · 04/11/2024 20:17

I have a dd in reception doing RWI, and she is just in the sounding out/blending stage now. She had the first of the little sound blending books home before half term. Her teachers seem to be super happy with her progress, and she's about where her older brother was at the same point in time, he's now in year 2 and reading fairly fluently.

So I'd say your dd is doing great.

SummertoAutumntoWinter · 04/11/2024 20:03

Mother of reception child here with a school that uses RWI. Our school go VERY slowly! Children aren't grouped until just before christmas - some start getting books home around then, others much later. . Neither of my older ones have been blending in their head before end of year 1/beginning of year 2. Eldest is probably one of the stronger readers of his peers now. You don't need to worry.

buld · 04/11/2024 19:59

@SussexLass87 they've given us information here and there, perhaps I haven't looked properly where it explains the entire thing from start to finish and different stages / assessments.

I feel like it's more of an overview, rather than very specific.

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SussexLass87 · 04/11/2024 19:35

buld · 04/11/2024 19:28

@SussexLass87 thank you sorry I misunderstood. I'm confused about this whole thing and really trying to get my head around it so I can help.

No worries - your daughter sounds like she is doing fine. RWI is quite a specific teaching method, I'm surprised the school haven't reached out with training for parents or an information meeting. It really helped when it was used in my son's class.

Your daughter sounds like she's doing really well.

bakewellbride · 04/11/2024 19:34

My son sounds out here and there and is in year 2! Please please relax.

I once worked in a school that didn't even teach the sounds at all until after Xmas. So in January they were learning S. It was an outstanding school and by the end of the year those kids were miles ahead of the ones who had phonics drilled into them from day 1. Food for thought.

Whoowhoo · 04/11/2024 19:33

buld · 04/11/2024 19:30

Which books would the top group get ? I've been trying to work that out too. No idea if she's in the top group or not. I've invested quite a bit of time in helping her at weekends ( only when she wants to ).

Why does it matter which group she's in? I can guarantee that the current top phonics group in reception won't be the same kids that end up with firsts at Russell Group unis.

Sounds like she's doing great and you're helping her fine, so it's not too relevant how the rest of the class is doing.

Bushmillsbabe · 04/11/2024 19:30

It's funny how teaching varies.
My youngest learned to sight read by Christmas of reception, books like room on the broom etc. And her teacher wanted her to go back a step and sound the words out, which made no sense to me?

buld · 04/11/2024 19:30

thepurplepenguin · 04/11/2024 19:27

She's doing very well, she would be in the top group at my school 🙂 You are right, she's sounding out and blending (Fred Talk, say the word). Next step is 'sounding out' but in her head (Fred in Your Head). No rush to get this, plenty start Year 1 still Fred Talking out loud and actually they need to do this for the phonics screening check. It's quite a specific RWI thing, most phonics programme aren't as focused on "sounding out' in their heads at this stage, but it does help to build fluency.

Which books would the top group get ? I've been trying to work that out too. No idea if she's in the top group or not. I've invested quite a bit of time in helping her at weekends ( only when she wants to ).

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buld · 04/11/2024 19:28

@SussexLass87 thank you sorry I misunderstood. I'm confused about this whole thing and really trying to get my head around it so I can help.

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thepurplepenguin · 04/11/2024 19:27

She's doing very well, she would be in the top group at my school 🙂 You are right, she's sounding out and blending (Fred Talk, say the word). Next step is 'sounding out' but in her head (Fred in Your Head). No rush to get this, plenty start Year 1 still Fred Talking out loud and actually they need to do this for the phonics screening check. It's quite a specific RWI thing, most phonics programme aren't as focused on "sounding out' in their heads at this stage, but it does help to build fluency.