"Loving" XL Bully mauls 10yo to death

Spot on.

see linked video on here I posted Detroit mailman.

Horses aren’t bred to kill! They are not carnivorous and do not have killer instincts. They constantly live in flight mode not fight mode and if they kill someone it’s not because they just randomly decided to turn and attack someone, it’s usually because they got spooked!

While I agree with the gist of what you are saying, it has to be said that some horses are absolute bastards. You can’t turn your back on them. Obviously not life threatening but I have had some extremely painful unprovoked bites. I have never been bitten by a dog.

I don't have dogs, is that putting a stick in it's mouth and using it as a lever?

Kill them. Kill them all.
Don't let one more child die.

I use a break stick for dogs who don't 'out'. It's used as a crowbar on their molars. If a dog has a good grip it can be lifted, slammed, screamed at and it won't readjust.

So just to check...

The best thing to do if the dogs attacking someone else is to twist the collar and pull up?

And you're buggered if it's attacking you.

Is that right?

We had a facebook post last week where one had escaped and was roaming around the neighbourhood. Apparently according to the morons of FB, the person who had called the dog warden were putting a death penalty on the poor lamb and should have taken it into their home.
That's what you are up against.
That poor child. What a horrific way to die.

The thick parents should be dragged through the courts for endangering their children. The parents are 100% to blame here.

I used to carry a small tin of hairspray, but attacks happen so fast that grappling in your bag for a spray, getting the lid off and orienting it in the right direction takes time..
Maybe the previous Poster ( Belgian biscuits?? ) who trains Protection dogs might have an idea as to what is best.

Deep heat would probably work for a non dog fighting breed.

And what about over 18s who keep them and are unable to control them so they just end up killing some random child who is happily playing in the local park. They shouldn’t be owned by anyone.

I am not a believer in wiping out animals that kill humans but there is a different between the odd predator attacking a human when they enter the predators territory and a breed of dog that has been so over bred from one line that it's caused issues within the breed. These dogs have been let down by humans but it's time they were all euthanased or tighten the laws so anyone who owns one cannot have children, vulnerable or elderly living or entering the same premises. If a fit and healthy 30 year old wants to take a gamble so be it but you don't gamble a child's life

@Fizbosshoes you can't out train genetics.

I think the law should change so that it is illegal to own one of these dogs if there are under 18s in the home.

Another child's life gone because of selfish parents who think an xl bully makes a family pet. That poor girl paid for her parents awful decision and it should not be allowed.

They aren't safe, but at least adults can decide if they want to live with one and take the risk. A child can't. They should be banned from being near children

Oh well that’s alright then! 🙄 That totally justifies the reason why people should keep a banned breed of dog instead of a horse… NOT!

Horses aren’t bred to kill! They are not carnivorous and do not have killer instincts. They constantly live in flight mode not fight mode and if they kill someone it’s not because they just randomly decided to turn and attack someone, it’s usually because they got spooked! You cannot compare the two animals! One is a natural heard animal whose natural instinct is to run away, the other one is not!

We're expected to spend hundreds, even thousands, to learn how to drive. Many more thousands spent on insurance, fines for wrong doing, ceased licence for serious or repeated offences.
But any idiot can get a dog. Any dog.
And a family loses a loved one.
It's just tragic.

I imagine there is some crossover between people who think XL bullies are great pets to have, and those who think car insurance and MOTs and boring shit like that is unneccessary

These dogs are so focussed when they attack that even bullets fired directly into them won't force them to let go. You have to kill them in order to get them off. Pepper spray, hairspray whatever might sting but once those jaws have locked and the dog is into a killing frame of mind they don't care. They literally don't feel it. They cannot break focus. I suppose a taser might work but we can't walk around with tasers just in case we might meet a Bully. They are dangerous.

I have a very prey driven terrier. She's trained, she's fine, but if she's hunting then you can shout yourself inside out, she's not coming back until she's lost the scent. These dogs are like that, only with blood.

Perhaps your sister should read this as your niece could well be stressing the dog out by cuddling it
https://www.psychologytoday.com/gb/blog/canine-corner/202405/new-research-confirms-dogs-really-dont-like-being-hugged

I cringe when I see photos or videos of dogs being hugged as most of the time the oblivious owners have no idea the poor dogs are giving off "I'm not comfortable with this" vibes

😂 You're a bit special aren't you?! 😅

Ergh this makes me so effing angry. What’s worse than a bred-to-kill xl bully around children? A pack of the bloody things who are more likely to attack and kill because there are 3 of them. Any parent whose child is killed by the family ‘pet’ should go to prison for manslaughter. I hope this girl’s parents live with unbearable guilt for the rest of their lives

Even before the restrictions a large majority of attacks happened inside people's homes.

I don't know what the answer is, the type of person who gets a dog from someone at the pub, is very likely not the type of person who will register it , or get a licence, or take it to training classes.
And, by virtue of having such a dangerous dog, they won't be the most approachable people to challenge if you suspect they aren't abiding by the conditions set out!
(Can you even train-out natural instincts in an adult - or any - dog anyway?)

Thankyou.

A stray cat pulled out an artery in my arm and I got sepsis a few years ago while helping the RSPCA catch the stray cat. My scar is bigger than her scratch, and I didn't really know what to say to her! Or what to think!

I did adopt the stray cat afterwards though, much to the RSPCA ladies bemusement. The cat is sat on me now, docile as a sloth. They chopped his balls off, I figured tit for tat. And I went to catch the cat, he didn't go for me, he was just trying to run away.

I don't like this neighbours dog btw, it just seems a bit weird that the other neighbour is saying it went for her but she has a tiny scratch.

I do think something needs to be done about the XL bullies, but I have no idea what.

A pp suggestion of an approved dog breed list seems a good idea going forward. Start consulting, and then implementing in 10-15 years. I don't know what you'd do in the meantime though.

I will never understand the mindset of people who have dogs like these around children.

We have a Newfoundland. We are vigilant with her around the children because she's a dog, and even though they are bred to be gentle they are still animals and thus unpredictable. A breed designed to be aggressive should be nowhere near children.

That poor girl. She must have been so terrified.

Well over ten years ago I bred Saint Bernards. Beautiful dogs, I took it very very seriously, trying to 'improve the breed', much research putting certain bitches with studs etc etc. It was my 'job' for a while. There is a lot of science in it and care (and money). It went really well for years, it was a joy to see how happy people were with their puppies, and as a family it was lovely. And then it wasn't. Nelson came along from another breeder as a stud and he was the sweetest, most gentle, docile, timid puppy we had ever had. He was utterly adorable. Blood lines were absolutely excellent - on paper was top notch and we paid an absolute fortune for him. He was extremely needy and sweet right from the get-go. Cut to him as an adult at 2, and he was 100kg, completely docile (too much really), and absolutely adored us - a family with 4 young kids. HOWEVER, once he hit 2, to him the world was a scary place and people were out to hurt his family. He started to snarl, and would lunge and try to attack anyone that came near during walks (EVERYONE wanted to pat the huge st bernard but they just couldn't). Then I couldnt walk him cos he weighed more than me...and that made things worse. Then my kids couldnt have playdates because even though id lock him in the garage Id be terrified of a mistake. We paid thousands on a behaviouralist, but nothing worked. We had to accept we had a lion in the house who was obsessed with us and wouldnt hurt us but would literally rip apart anyone he viewed as a threat to us. It was terrifying. For that period of a year it ruined our social life as I wouldnt have anyone to visit due to sheer worry about what would happen. He never actually hurt anyone, but on walks he sure looked like he would...

The turning point was my sons friend knocked on the door unannounced and Nelson went beserk - up on his hind legs going mental at the door - to a 9 year old!!! If that door had been open I absolutely dread to think what could have happened. That was the end for us. We did surrender him to the behaviouralist in the end who felt we needed to give up (after paying thousands) and he took him on as a project. This is so many years ago now, but that was the catalyst for us that we ended breeding. My view before that and after are very very different. I believed in its not the dog its the owner and breeding. I now think its completely and utterly random. No dogs should exist that can overpower a child (not an adult - a child - cos you never ever know). Its like having a lion in your home and you would never do that, and then blame the owner/child when they do what comes natural. I see these idiots who have actual lions as 'pets' on the internet, and yes they can connect and be lovely and gentle - but they can snap at any time. Same with bullies and any large dogs. Literally any time they can snap and there is bugger all we can do about it.

Its hard because I know the joy dogs bring, but from the other side as what many would consider a responsible reputable breeder, I call BS on a lot of that. A puppy can have the best bloodlines in the world, and the most dedicated owners, and training and environment - AND a breed that is renowned for being 'gentle' - and still it goes balls up.

IMHO bullies should without doubt be culled and banned and it should have been done ages ago. BUT I think we need to go further. There are many dangerous dogs living with and being around children that simply shouldnt be. Families think 'my dog is so gentle' but he may be with you guys cos you are his/her pack but he may be the opposite with others. He may some day even turn on you. Im a social worker and I wont go to homes with large dogs for this very reason. I dont care what they say about them being lovely - any dog that can overpower me is unsafe, end of. They originate from wolves and unless they are small and manageable they shouldnt be pets. Controversial I know...but I dont think Im wrong. I may be accused of being a hypocrite because I am - at one point I had 4 adult St Bernards living with me with 4 kids - but now I know better. I cringe that I did that tbh. No child or adult should ever die or be harmed by a pet. Its just wrong full stop.

This is terrifying. I have no idea why we think this should be normal

I mean any child or person could suffer

I have no idea why we keep having these threads and we don't just get do something drastic

It's so unfair people aren't allowed to protect themselves & their children in the face if an xl bully attack. I've found out carrying pepper spray is illegal. Carrying actual cayenne pepper is not illegal. How about throwing cayenne pepper in its face if it attacks, would that work? Anything that would prevent the attacks & deaths of adults,children & other dogs.