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imane khelif has been allegedly confirmed to be a man.

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Cartwrightandson · 04/11/2024 13:15

A leaked French medical report from 2023 has confirmed that Algerian boxer Imane Khelif is male.

Top endocrinologists found that Khelif has XY chromosomes, no uterus, internal testicles, and a "micropenis."

The report was drafted in June of 2023 via a collaboration between the Kremlin-Bicêtre hospital in Paris, France, and the Mohamed Lamine Debaghine hospital in Algiers, Algeria. Drafted by expert endocrinologists Soumaya Fedala and Jacques Young, the report reveals that Khelif is impacted by 5-alpha reductase deficiency, a disorder of sexual development that is only found in biological males.

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SpudleyLass · 04/11/2024 13:53

user1471500282 · 04/11/2024 13:51

It’s disgusting that this person has complete randomers discussing such intimate details of their body like this. Aside from sports or medals, they deserve not to have this information out there so that User1234 from Nowhereville can smugly announce it online. Human decency seems totally lacking.

I agree, men bullshitting their way into punching women smacks of lack of human decency.

Motnight · 04/11/2024 13:53

user1471500282 · 04/11/2024 13:51

It’s disgusting that this person has complete randomers discussing such intimate details of their body like this. Aside from sports or medals, they deserve not to have this information out there so that User1234 from Nowhereville can smugly announce it online. Human decency seems totally lacking.

Is that the same or different human decency that involves a biological man punching a biological woman?

Gettingbysomehow · 04/11/2024 13:53

Funny how nobody listened to those of us who shouted about it we were just trans hating witches no questions about it.

lifeturnsonadime · 04/11/2024 13:52

user1471500282 · 04/11/2024 13:51

It’s disgusting that this person has complete randomers discussing such intimate details of their body like this. Aside from sports or medals, they deserve not to have this information out there so that User1234 from Nowhereville can smugly announce it online. Human decency seems totally lacking.

He gave up the right to privacy the minute he decided to beat women up in the Olympics.

I have no sympathy for him. If he hadn't lied and the IOC hadn't lied his private information would not be known to the world.

HE has caused this, no one else.

KoalaCalledKevin · 04/11/2024 13:52

jeaux90 · 04/11/2024 13:22

He needs to give his gold medals back. The IOC should be ashamed and apologise to all those women who got brutally punched by a man in the boxing ring.

According to Sharron Davies, the IOC had this medical report. I don't know if this is accurate though.

But either way, according the IOC's statements during the Olympics, I imagine this doesn't actually matter. They said that the rule was having a female passport. So no rules have been broken here.

To be clear, I do not think this should have been allowed. Out of all sports, boxing should be the strictest on this. But I don't think the IOC will be saying "oh yes, we were wrong and this was against the rules."

user1471500282 · 04/11/2024 13:51

It’s disgusting that this person has complete randomers discussing such intimate details of their body like this. Aside from sports or medals, they deserve not to have this information out there so that User1234 from Nowhereville can smugly announce it online. Human decency seems totally lacking.

CosmicRoomster · 04/11/2024 13:51

WetBandits · 04/11/2024 13:30

I still don’t agree with the witch hunt. If Khelif reasonably believed themselves to be female and had been brought up as female since birth without knowing about the chromosomal disorder, they were not acting as a man boxing against women. Intent counts here, I think.

If they knew and still competed, that is a different story.

Edited

The way he behaved with male coaches etc after cheating winning tells you everything. He and all the other men around him knows what he is.

Can you imagine a female Muslim boxer being carried in triumph on the coach’s shoulders? No. Thought not.

imane khelif has been allegedly confirmed to be a man.
PeachyKeane · 04/11/2024 13:48

lifeturnsonadime · 04/11/2024 13:29

Shameful, both he and the IOC and all of the people who have supported him ought to be ashamed.

This is sanctioned violence against women.

Men have no place in women's sport. Not the ones with DSD's nor the ones who identify as women.

Women matter.

Absolutely 💯

ChishiyaBat · 04/11/2024 13:47

He robbed women of their place, their medals and the years of training, it's a disgrace!

TooBigForMyBoots · 04/11/2024 13:45

Polyp0 · 04/11/2024 13:27

Is this likely to be confirmed officially though?

I think a more interesting question is: Will it be officially denied?🤔

Snorlaxo · 04/11/2024 13:44

I’m not surprised. You could tell from behaviour cues that Imane is not a Muslim woman. The medals should be returned and a new policy for testing drafted because there was a Taiwanese boxer who also rejected by IBA but allowed by the IOC.

eqpi4t2hbsnktd · 04/11/2024 13:42

We need a 'Women's Lives Matter' movement...

SpudleyLass · 04/11/2024 13:42

I believe its the same DSD as Caster Semenya.

lifeturnsonadime · 04/11/2024 13:40

ResisterOfTwaddleRex · 04/11/2024 13:38

They knew. They still let him compete. They lied. We were told we were wrong and we were nasty so that a man could steal other women's places in competition, and hit women. There's no excuse. Maybe you did grow up in poverty or have a hard life. Immaterial. Not relevant. Facts and fairness are the only relevant things in sports. He should hand back his medals and recuse himself from women's sports. The people who let him in should resign or be sacked.

The gaslighting of women by the IOC is truly shocking.

The committee members involved in this should apologise and resign.

caringcarer · 04/11/2024 13:40

jeaux90 · 04/11/2024 13:22

He needs to give his gold medals back. The IOC should be ashamed and apologise to all those women who got brutally punched by a man in the boxing ring.

This. He clearly knew he was a man but enjoyed beating up females in the boxing ring. IOC should hang their heads in shame and demand his medal back.

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ResisterOfTwaddleRex · 04/11/2024 13:38

They knew. They still let him compete. They lied. We were told we were wrong and we were nasty so that a man could steal other women's places in competition, and hit women. There's no excuse. Maybe you did grow up in poverty or have a hard life. Immaterial. Not relevant. Facts and fairness are the only relevant things in sports. He should hand back his medals and recuse himself from women's sports. The people who let him in should resign or be sacked.

Drawagain · 04/11/2024 13:37

WetBandits · 04/11/2024 13:30

I still don’t agree with the witch hunt. If Khelif reasonably believed themselves to be female and had been brought up as female since birth without knowing about the chromosomal disorder, they were not acting as a man boxing against women. Intent counts here, I think.

If they knew and still competed, that is a different story.

Edited

I don’t think he knew growing up but I think he knew by the time he competed. What he believed himself to be/identified as I do not know…but it shouldn’t matter. Having (mostly) developed physically as a male it wasn’t fair to fight against women and it was dangerous as well as being unfair.

bunnypenny · 04/11/2024 13:35

WetBandits · 04/11/2024 13:30

I still don’t agree with the witch hunt. If Khelif reasonably believed themselves to be female and had been brought up as female since birth without knowing about the chromosomal disorder, they were not acting as a man boxing against women. Intent counts here, I think.

If they knew and still competed, that is a different story.

Edited

The medical tests and results were from 2023. He knew well before he competed in the 2024 Olympics. The IOC also knew.

MidnightPatrol · 04/11/2024 13:35

WetBandits · 04/11/2024 13:30

I still don’t agree with the witch hunt. If Khelif reasonably believed themselves to be female and had been brought up as female since birth without knowing about the chromosomal disorder, they were not acting as a man boxing against women. Intent counts here, I think.

If they knew and still competed, that is a different story.

Edited

I think it’s probably even more complicated for them.

They grew up in real poverty, in an isolated area, traditional community, religious etc.

And - their boxing was their way out of that poverty I suppose.

Complicated factors for them personally beyond whether or not they should have been allowed to compete.

lifeturnsonadime · 04/11/2024 13:32

WetBandits · 04/11/2024 13:30

I still don’t agree with the witch hunt. If Khelif reasonably believed themselves to be female and had been brought up as female since birth without knowing about the chromosomal disorder, they were not acting as a man boxing against women. Intent counts here, I think.

If they knew and still competed, that is a different story.

Edited

He went through male puberty. He knew full well he wasn't a woman and still went on to beat women up in the Olympics.

Intent does indeed count.

I am sorry he has a DSD but that doesn't give him the right to punch women.

WetBandits · 04/11/2024 13:30

I still don’t agree with the witch hunt. If Khelif reasonably believed themselves to be female and had been brought up as female since birth without knowing about the chromosomal disorder, they were not acting as a man boxing against women. Intent counts here, I think.

If they knew and still competed, that is a different story.

lifeturnsonadime · 04/11/2024 13:29

Shameful, both he and the IOC and all of the people who have supported him ought to be ashamed.

This is sanctioned violence against women.

Men have no place in women's sport. Not the ones with DSD's nor the ones who identify as women.

Women matter.

SeulementUneFois · 04/11/2024 13:28

No shit Sherlock indeed!
Thank you OP.

Polyp0 · 04/11/2024 13:27

Is this likely to be confirmed officially though?