imane khelif has been allegedly confirmed to be a man.

He should work harder.

Women's sport isn't an option for mediocre male athletes.

Boxing is a risk sport. The weight categories are taken extremely seriously. Why isn't the categorisation of mens/womens events?

Do you think imane khelif is anywhere near as strong as the male elite boxers?

Please please please please please!

I love how people are trotting out the same tired arguments and ignoring the actual information about there being a literal cock and balls present.

😁It was like the moment when I watched that video of Caster Semenya being interviewed, with his legs spread wide and his manly voice, making disparaging and misogynistic comments about women.

They just can’t hide it. Don’t want to hide it.

Can you evidence that claim? Any mans ability to punch comes from male physiology and testosterone.

In other sports amateur teenage boys have beaten world class female athletes in football, running etc.

Serena Williams lost to a very low ranked male tennis player.

I suspect the average man on the street could pack a more powerful punch than top female boxers. They might lack the skill of fancy footwork etc. but brute strength would see them victorious in most cases.

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Didn't have the human decency not to punch women in the head when you know your male though?

There are still people falling over themselves to defend this?

On this subject during the Olympics there was a poster who was maintaining that it is impossible to know just by looking what sex someone is (though she used the word "gender" of course). She ignored the fact that the majority of the animal kingdom is able to distinguish between males and females for reproduction purposes, and this has kept us all reproducing since time immemorial. This is based on scent, sound and crucially, appearance.

But no, with regard to humans is it a apparently complicated and muddy issue and impossible to know.

So do I, but this needs dealing with at ALL levels of sport, not just elite levels.
No sport in this country should get any taxpayer funding unless they protect the female category (and that includes you Parkrun).

its 82.5 percent

I realise it's not the main point of this case, and that fairness and safety are foremost in posters' minds.

I'd just point out that the Muslim world isn't a monolith. North African women are not obliged to cover their hair by law or by local religious tradition. Many do, but most prominent sportswomen don't. Touching, hugging and high fiving men is also not unknown - Algeria isn't Iran. Someone like Ons Jabeur would be a good point of comparison for a Muslim sportswoman from North Africa.

They aren't up against average men on streets. Do you think those should be competing in elite women's sports?

They're up against male athletes with male advantage.

Why is it so important to you that men should be allowed to punch women and get medals for it? Why does supporting male delusion matter more than female safety and equal opportunity?

I have enormous sympathy for Imane Khalif and anyone who has DSDs. It must be utterly devastating to hit puberty and realise that you are not developing as other women - and not only that - you are developing as a male.

I have no sympathy when, on learning this, people proceed to support that individual to participate in female sports. Was Imane ever participating in male boxing competitions? Did they switch to female boxing recently? Have they always boxed as a woman? If they are fully aware of their sex status how can they justify participating as a woman?

I would also like to see some official verification of this medical report. If it’s genuine, there should be a statement forthcoming surely?

Of course drug cheats steal places from women. Its just that its a cheating woman stealing the place. Of course they put their lives at risk. Drugs make them stronger and more aggressive than without drugs, so they punch harder. How does that not make them more dangerous. But again, i do believe its cheating. I don't think sharing the level of detail that is included in this thread is a right thing to do. Say 'report leaked, they knew he was a man' fair enough. Internal testes, micropenis for people to giggle over. Its low.

Well, surprise sur-fucking-prise

I knew as soon as I saw his presumably Muslim coach carrying him on his shoulders. A Muslim man wouldn't do that to a women he wasn't married to.

If he was brilliant and skilled he would have been in the men’s division. A man who loses against men can go far in the women’s class.

Im hoping Seb Coe is made Olympic Director as I hope that he sorts out this issue once and for all.

Now that is a great question. The IOC have to bring back sex screening, something they stopped in 1999 even though most female athletes supported it remains when polled.

If Seb Coe gets in as the next IOC lead there is hope.

He outed himself by competing...

True.

The duck test comes in handy in this case.

If it looks like a duck, swims walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck.

Obviously the top male athlete will be better than the top female. There is an overlap though and the top females will be better at punching than the average man on the street.

I think you'll find it is, but even if it weren't, it doesn't matter. He doesn't belong in women's sports because he is a man. A woman boxer is not a man boxer with a DSD, or an artificially impeded man boxer, or just a really shit man boxer. He's a man. He can compete as one, and win or lose accordingly. But he has no place in women's sports. He's a man.

There was certainly no witch hunt. A wizard hunt maybe...

Kudos to Redux, doing the job that most mainstream journalists and news agencies utterly fail to do.

I've had enough of my 9-5 and this sounds fun!

and Khalif isn't a woman.

Your definition of overwhelming majority is as absurd as your defintion of woman.