imane khelif has been allegedly confirmed to be a man.

There were a lot of financial opportunities taken from the women. It's not just the medal, but what it brings with it. For example, the brilliant Philippino gymnast who won their first ever gold medal ever got a house from the government, amongst other things. The women who this man brutally beat have missed out on a lot.

This is just it though.

A male person, who was told that they were no longer qualified to compete in the female category by two boxing federations in 2023, who has had other tests done since and has been undergoing reduction of testosterone, competed in the Olympics because they knew the Olympics allowed them to compete. There was not one shred of respect extended towards female people at all.

Yet, people are declaring that women should STFU about this information? No. the moment this male boxer threw the first punch at a female competitor after knowing that they were male, I consider this male boxer lost that right to privacy.

The anger should be directed at the IOC, sure. But I don't blame women.

There will always be individual men happy to hurt women and many will have compelling back stories.

Men's dominance over us is both physical and structural. We, sadly, need the support of unbiased institutions in order to achieve anything close to equality in public life.

When powerful institutions collude with and support these men, gaslighting women as they go, women are put in an impossible situation. We're judged for taking matters into our own hands, we're judged for accepting help from the wrong institutions, we're judged for sharing information. But what the fuck else can women do?

Ironic how women's decorum is so often levelled against them in cases like this. Women refusing to take men's shit....is just too gender non conforming?

They won't strip the medal, not because it was leaked, but because they already knew he was male and let him compete anyway, as their rules welcome any man to beat up women if their passport says 'female'.

Oh and I wonder if the people who called everyone bigots for 'enforcing western standards of beauty' will be back... <waits patiently>

In light of the unfeasible ignorance of biology and logic, and with apologies to those for whom this is stating the bleeding obvious:
There are 2 sexes, male and female.
At population level, males are bigger, stronger, faster, with greater bone density, greater reach, larger heart and lung capacity (among other differences).
Females have in some places been given sex-based rights because at population level males are inherently dangerous to females.
There will of course be some female individuals who will be bigger stronger etc than some male individuals.
However, because of the undeniable biological sex differences, females have to have their own category in sports in order to be able to compete on equal terms.
In contact sports, and in particular in boxing this is especially important because it is an issue of safety as well as one of equality.
The fact that Khelif has lost some fights is irrelevant. He is probably not very good, because if he was good, he'd be fighting in the correct sex category - and losing all his fights.
Males need to compete against males. Not all males will be good boxers, and there is no right to be in the Olympics.
These concepts are really not difficult to grasp with just a tiny bit of thought.

My son sometimes loses a game of arm wrestling against me.

He's still bigger, stronger and could do some serious damage if we had an actual fight.

Here is something else that became very apparent in the threads where so many people were declaring that Khelif was a 'cis' woman.

It means that cis was always a meaningless term.

So, based on posts from another thread where a poster assured us that cis women are what we should be talking about when referring to two male boxers who competed in the female category of boxing in the Paris Olympics, I decided that we need as many women who read these threads to understand just what that term means.

The term 'cis' is now meaningless because it also now includes any male person who has a DSD yet has a body that is **formed around the production of small gametes, ie. a male person with a difference of sex development that have testes or testes tissue. Such as Caster Semenya.

Therefore, female people have no unique words that describe just those female people who have a body ^^formed around the production of large gametes.

None.

There is no word left for female people. Because even male people are now saying they are also ‘female’.

Because 'girl' and 'woman' both now include:

1 Male person who has been incorrectly registered as a female at birth, but has a male body **.
2 Any male person has now claimed a transgender identity using those labels.
3 And any person who has a female body ^^.

Under the label of 'girl' and 'woman', extreme transgender activists have been telling us for years that those labels break down into two types of girls or women:

Cis and Transwomen/transgirls.

These terms mean:

Cis = (1) Male person who has been incorrectly registered as a female at birth, but has a male body **

and

= (3) Any person who has a female body^^

Trans = (2) Any male person has now claimed a transgender identity using those labels.

There is no unique word to mean female people who have a body ^^ formed around the production of large gametes.

Cis is now shown to be meaningless and it always was. It is also misogynistic because it leaves female people with no unique word for their needs.
(sorry, the formatting on this post is probably higgly piggly, hopefully the pic helps)

I mean, I do thank those posters who kept admonishing women because Khelif was a 'cis woman', because everytime a poster does that, it really showed the falsity that is this very poor foundation for using such a word.

Take it up with the Olympics. It's their competition.

Absolutely. Shades of Emily Bridges again who - IIRC - was not making the cut in elite men's cycling. One transition later and - ta da! - there he is on the top step of winner's podia.

Difference there is that it was recognised that this was wrong and Emily was sent back to the men's classes, much as he wailed all over Instagram that this was an act of genocide (his words, not mine).

Women's sports categories are not a consolation prize for inadequate men.

He won't lose them because the IOC knew full well he was male, didn't give a shit and let him compete anyway. He didn't break their rules, since all they require is an F on a passport. Some people think a man with a document that falsifies his sex isn't a cheat or an appalling sportsman for taking the advantage that is clearly unfair, unsafe and against the spirit of sport even if it is allowed on a technicality, but like the IOC, they prioritise male self image above female safety and equality. As ever, they know who the women are.

It's weird that it's private, though. Time was thar everyone took a simple, once in a lifetime cheek swab and then everyone knew what sex they were and it wasn't considered intrusive; nobody hid which category they competed in.

It only becomes a thorny issue when you've got a reason for not wanting people to know the truth, ie because you're lying about it.

Are you honestly arguing that mediocre men should be able to go to the Olympics to hit women if they'd like? Maybe they could stay at home like the rest of us mediocre martial artists.

As I said, women boxers have been killed after being punched by women.

Have a look at the statistics for deaths. It's incredibly rare for women to die after boxing bouts. Men do with horrifying regularity. You only have to look at the KO stats. Men are always knocking each other out (AKA head injuries) and women typically aren't. I've done martial arts. DH used to teach martial arts. He could probably take a few female Olympians. But he wouldn't, because he's a decent man.

I do feel for IK growing up in a very gender-specific environment with so much pressure to succeed. That was hard. But once you know you're a man, don't hit women. And don't smirk when you do it. That was a pretty obvious fuck you.

I wonder when the mainstream media will report this.

This ought to be reported by the BBC who showed the footage on TV despite knowing that this was male on female violence.

It shouldn't be left to feminists to have to report it.

I am just going to put this on the thread too in anticipation of the 'women have high testosterone too! argument. We can then refer people back to this:

TESTOSTERONE LEVEL CHART - NORMAL FEMALE RANGE / PCOS RANGE / NORMAL MALE RANGE

USING DAVID HANDELSMAN INFORMATION INCLUDING THE LEVELS IOC SPECIFIED FOR TESTOSTERONE SUPPRESSION

This is the chart was made using information from the Handelsman et al 2018 paper below.

The 'Caster Semenya' line refers to what the IOC had specified that Semenya and others needed to suppress their testosterone levels down to, resulting in Semenya trying to overturn this at CAS.

Semenya was noted in that CAS case to have the difference in sex development categorised as 5-ARD and had testosterone levels of around 21 nmol/L.
The Hubbard line was the testosterone level that males with transgender identities had to suppress to for the 2020 Tokyo Olympics.
This is tweet where you can find the chart.

https://x.com/rorybowman/status/1819232725175620084

This is the study

Circulating Testosterone as the Hormonal Basis of Sex Differences in Athletic Performance

David J Handelsman, Angelica L Hirschberg, Stephane Bermon
Published: 13 July 2018

https://academic.oup.com/edrv/article/39/5/803/5052770?login=false

A poster once tried to say that Handelsman obviously supports testosterone reduction, however, this is untrue.

What is important to note here is that David Handelsman has since said this in 2022 on the SBS Insight episode after seeing further research.
“Question: does testosterone suppression get rid of the natural advantage males have?”

“It is important to remember that what we are talking about here is the unfair advantage so the objective is to eliminate it not just reduce it. But complete testosterone suppression has now be shown in a number of studies to not to fully nullify the advantages in males, in physical advantages for up to three years.”

“Suppression of testosterone is partially effective. It won’t change bones. They remain longer and stronger. Haemoglobin will change, but the key things muscle, heart and lungs virtually don’t change. Or they change very little, maybe 10 - 20% reduction. But 80% of the male physical advantage remains . So it is virtually incomplete, and no where near completely reversing male unfair advantage.”

“More on testosterone suppression:”

“The key thing is whether the male physical advantage is removed over a certain time. And the answer is there is no duration which removes the unfair male physical advantage of male bodied athletes in female events. The data shows that you can get some reversal, but no where near complete and therefore there remains an unfair advantage.”

Also worth pointing out that during the final match of the Olympics the best of the best female boxer who lost the gold to this cheating man could barely land a punch at all because his massive male wingspan meant her shorter arms could barely begin to get past his defence.

Anyone who is confused about this get any man to hold you at arms length then try reaching his body to make any sort of contact.

Honestly the knots some people will tie themselves in to justify this travesty.

Researchers found the bears shit to be toxic and could potentially kill all human life 🤣

For anyone questioning Reduxx - people behind these types of organisations (thinking grassroots feminist orgs) have to go beyond normal measures to ensure the information they share is correct.

Thinking back to the time when an organisation (might have been Transgender Trend but I’m not sure) did a FOI request and found that male trans prisoners were far more likely to be incarcerated for sex crimes than their non-trans counterparts.
Obviously this was met with uproar and accusations of bigotry (of course), so the study was then done independently. The figures were found to be higher than the feminist org had included in their data.

I trust info coming from these places far more than mainstream news outlets, who are hellbent on placating these men and their fawning pathetic followers.

The Rio women's 800m winners

There were at least 4 XY athletes who competed in Female category at the 2024 olympics, 2 boxers and 2 footballers. Let's not forget the others!! There are hints that there were more, in other combat sports.

The IOC permitted this to happen based on the guidelines they set out and the guidance they gave to journalists which forbade them from questioning the sex of competitors.

Who will bring FIFA into the narrative to explain why they permit XY competitors in Womens' football? Their policy has significant impact across the globe, at the highest level and all the way to grass roots football... potentially impacting millions of women and girls. .. not least offering the highest salaries, transfer fees and accolades in the Womens' game to XY players and the footballing world is silent!!!!

In the Rio Olympics the gold, silver and bronze 800m women's medals all went to men with 5 ARD. Those men still all have their medals, despite there already having been proof that Caster Semenya (gold medal winner) was a man with 5 ARD.

The IOC is corrupt. They decided to do away with sex testing despite the fact that 80% of women athletes did not want it to be stopped.

Would you also class the results of tests for doping in sports to be private medical information? Or does only some biological cheating count?

Please stop with the misinformation. It is very harmful to spread this type of misinformation..

On average, a male has a punch that is AT LEAST 160% more powerful than a female person.

160% at least. And that is likely to be an untrained male.

In terms of strength of women vs men, on some elements of this, the bottom quartile of male people are still stronger than the female people in the top 10% of all female people.

Yes, the top female people are going to be 'better at punching' because likely they have techniques 'better than' the average male on the street. Will their punch be more powerful? The statistics do not match your claims. They simply do not stack up .

I don't imagine the medal will be stripped, as private medical info shouldn't have been leaked so it won't be considered legitimate.

Khelif's uncle has stated that Khelif was 'discovered' by a coach aged 15. Apparently as a teen Khelif was out playing football with the village boys.

To me it seems highly likely that Khelif, having been through male puberty by this point, already knew he was male - as did his parents if they let him play with boys at that age.

What we do know for a fact is that corrupt talent scouts go looking for boys with female names in countries where 5 ARD is more common. These scouts are consciously gaming the system because they know that the IOC doesn't do sex testing and they can steal Olympic medals from women.