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imane khelif has been allegedly confirmed to be a man.

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Cartwrightandson · 04/11/2024 13:15

A leaked French medical report from 2023 has confirmed that Algerian boxer Imane Khelif is male.

Top endocrinologists found that Khelif has XY chromosomes, no uterus, internal testicles, and a "micropenis."

The report was drafted in June of 2023 via a collaboration between the Kremlin-Bicêtre hospital in Paris, France, and the Mohamed Lamine Debaghine hospital in Algiers, Algeria. Drafted by expert endocrinologists Soumaya Fedala and Jacques Young, the report reveals that Khelif is impacted by 5-alpha reductase deficiency, a disorder of sexual development that is only found in biological males.

reduxx.info/algerian-boxer-imane-khelif-has-xy-chromosomes-and-testicles-french-algerian-medical-report-admits/

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user1471500282 · 04/11/2024 21:05

BodyKeepingScore · 04/11/2024 20:59

Men and women come in all kinds of shapes and sizes. Feminists have been shouting from the rooftops for years that short hair "masculine features" don't make a woman less female. You know what does make someone not a female though... a penis and testes.

Yes that’s true. But given that none of us have seen the cock and balls (I assume) and no report said this person had them before, how were so many (feminist?) posters on this thread so convinced before the report than they are a man?

user1471500282 · 04/11/2024 21:01

OuterSpaceCadet · 04/11/2024 20:52

No you've only barely understood the very surface level of the argument.

Women aren't inherently demure, sitting inside etc. We are socialised by patriarchal societies to varying degrees. It can be very difficult to break free, especially in deeply conservative societies. It can be dangerous to break free.

Physical strength differences are inherent, of course.

Feminists support women having any personality, any presentation, any occupation etc. That doesn't mean pretending that women have the same life experiences as men or that all women have free choice, especially in extreme patriarchies.

Yes, but this person is not a big person. 11- 12 stone, not extraordinarily tall for a woman. Muscular, but all women boxers are. No Adam’s apple that I could perceive. So are you saying that you can tell by looking that they have statistically more muscle than a woman could ever have? I personally feel that mannerisms are an unreliable indicator of biological sex, so how do you know?

Errors · 04/11/2024 20:59

Totallymessed · 04/11/2024 20:07

I actually hope your post doesn't get deleted, as it portrays your attitude towards women who won't do and say what you want them to, far more eloquently than anyone else could put it. Pure, aggressive hatred

I agree. I hope it doesn’t either. Says a lot doesn’t it!

BodyKeepingScore · 04/11/2024 20:59

user1471500282 · 04/11/2024 20:37

So many of the arguments on here about this person are so hypocritical. Lots of
postwrs saying they act like man, smirk and swagger like a man etc, should look in the mirror as of course they are a man. It implies women can’t have swagger or smirk or be arrogant or look masculine. And maybe the biological truth is that they are a man, but saying you knew all along because ‘he acts like a man’ is bullshit when you argue the opposite when it suits ‘just because they act or look like a woman, doesn’t make them a woman’

Men and women come in all kinds of shapes and sizes. Feminists have been shouting from the rooftops for years that short hair "masculine features" don't make a woman less female. You know what does make someone not a female though... a penis and testes.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 04/11/2024 20:57

Has this been confirmed to be true? I’m wary of fake news

The fake news is claiming that Imane Khelif is female, in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary from a variety of sources.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 04/11/2024 20:55

It's fascinating that this case was always so important to trans ideology believers. All along there's been the same old celebrity misogynists virtue signalling their allyship on twitter and the same old incoherent posts on MN scolding women for their tone and refusing to engage in discussion.

The thing is, this shows they, like feminists, were certain IK was male from the offset. Otherwise it would have held no relevance as IK said at the time they weren't trans.

But instead of defending their actual beliefs (that any man with woman feelings is entitled to anything for women and that sex is irrelevant), they all colluded with IK's lies and slurred women for speaking the truth even through they agreed with half of what we were saying!

Yes, it's very telling.

nolongersurprised · 04/11/2024 20:54

WestwardHo1 · 04/11/2024 20:38

He/she can't possibly have gone through male puberty. Without modern medical investigations there would be no way of knowing he was not a women.

Again, why do some people insist that sexual dimorphism is not a thing in humans?

How do they imagine humans find mates if they can't tell what sex other humans are by looking at them? Given that we don't go round sniffing each others bums, for example.

Edited

Surely that poster was being sarcastic?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 04/11/2024 20:53

And maybe the biological truth is that they are a man

Yes, that is the point.

OuterSpaceCadet · 04/11/2024 20:52

No you've only barely understood the very surface level of the argument.

Women aren't inherently demure, sitting inside etc. We are socialised by patriarchal societies to varying degrees. It can be very difficult to break free, especially in deeply conservative societies. It can be dangerous to break free.

Physical strength differences are inherent, of course.

Feminists support women having any personality, any presentation, any occupation etc. That doesn't mean pretending that women have the same life experiences as men or that all women have free choice, especially in extreme patriarchies.

JaneJeffer · 04/11/2024 20:51

user1471500282 · 04/11/2024 20:37

So many of the arguments on here about this person are so hypocritical. Lots of
postwrs saying they act like man, smirk and swagger like a man etc, should look in the mirror as of course they are a man. It implies women can’t have swagger or smirk or be arrogant or look masculine. And maybe the biological truth is that they are a man, but saying you knew all along because ‘he acts like a man’ is bullshit when you argue the opposite when it suits ‘just because they act or look like a woman, doesn’t make them a woman’

Those are two definitions of the word act which can mean different things depending on the context

user1471500282 · 04/11/2024 20:48

NonPlayerCharacter · 04/11/2024 20:43

Why do you assume that just because you haven't read the thread, we haven't either?

I have read the thread and all
the different view points. What part of what I’ve written suggests I haven’t. What part
do you disagree with?

onwardsup4 · 04/11/2024 20:43

Hunglikeapolevaulter · 04/11/2024 14:42

I love how people are trotting out the same tired arguments and ignoring the actual information about there being a literal cock and balls present.

Bizarre isn't it and just why ?

NonPlayerCharacter · 04/11/2024 20:43

user1471500282 · 04/11/2024 20:37

So many of the arguments on here about this person are so hypocritical. Lots of
postwrs saying they act like man, smirk and swagger like a man etc, should look in the mirror as of course they are a man. It implies women can’t have swagger or smirk or be arrogant or look masculine. And maybe the biological truth is that they are a man, but saying you knew all along because ‘he acts like a man’ is bullshit when you argue the opposite when it suits ‘just because they act or look like a woman, doesn’t make them a woman’

Why do you assume that just because you haven't read the thread, we haven't either?

OvaHere · 04/11/2024 20:43

WestwardHo1 · 04/11/2024 20:38

He/she can't possibly have gone through male puberty. Without modern medical investigations there would be no way of knowing he was not a women.

Again, why do some people insist that sexual dimorphism is not a thing in humans?

How do they imagine humans find mates if they can't tell what sex other humans are by looking at them? Given that we don't go round sniffing each others bums, for example.

Edited

Propaganda and brainwashing that's been subtly going on for decades then ramped up to insane heights in the last 10 years.

Hoppinggreen · 04/11/2024 20:40

user1471500282 · 04/11/2024 20:37

So many of the arguments on here about this person are so hypocritical. Lots of
postwrs saying they act like man, smirk and swagger like a man etc, should look in the mirror as of course they are a man. It implies women can’t have swagger or smirk or be arrogant or look masculine. And maybe the biological truth is that they are a man, but saying you knew all along because ‘he acts like a man’ is bullshit when you argue the opposite when it suits ‘just because they act or look like a woman, doesn’t make them a woman’

Men and women move differently and hold themselves differently, thats a fact.
I have seen plenty of butch lesbians and plenty of gay men who act in a way that could be considered effeminate and I have never been unsure of their sex.

SpudleyLass · 04/11/2024 20:40

user1471500282 · 04/11/2024 20:37

So many of the arguments on here about this person are so hypocritical. Lots of
postwrs saying they act like man, smirk and swagger like a man etc, should look in the mirror as of course they are a man. It implies women can’t have swagger or smirk or be arrogant or look masculine. And maybe the biological truth is that they are a man, but saying you knew all along because ‘he acts like a man’ is bullshit when you argue the opposite when it suits ‘just because they act or look like a woman, doesn’t make them a woman’

I'm pretty sure people believed from day one that Khelife is a male, because he is an absolute unit.

You do get bigger built women of course, but generally, not like this. They still have softer features.

TheKeatingFive · 04/11/2024 20:39

user1471500282 · 04/11/2024 20:37

So many of the arguments on here about this person are so hypocritical. Lots of
postwrs saying they act like man, smirk and swagger like a man etc, should look in the mirror as of course they are a man. It implies women can’t have swagger or smirk or be arrogant or look masculine. And maybe the biological truth is that they are a man, but saying you knew all along because ‘he acts like a man’ is bullshit when you argue the opposite when it suits ‘just because they act or look like a woman, doesn’t make them a woman’

Looks like you're not reading the same thread

WestwardHo1 · 04/11/2024 20:38

He/she can't possibly have gone through male puberty. Without modern medical investigations there would be no way of knowing he was not a women.

Again, why do some people insist that sexual dimorphism is not a thing in humans?

How do they imagine humans find mates if they can't tell what sex other humans are by looking at them? Given that we don't go round sniffing each others bums, for example.

user1471500282 · 04/11/2024 20:37

So many of the arguments on here about this person are so hypocritical. Lots of
postwrs saying they act like man, smirk and swagger like a man etc, should look in the mirror as of course they are a man. It implies women can’t have swagger or smirk or be arrogant or look masculine. And maybe the biological truth is that they are a man, but saying you knew all along because ‘he acts like a man’ is bullshit when you argue the opposite when it suits ‘just because they act or look like a woman, doesn’t make them a woman’

DuesToTheDirt · 04/11/2024 20:35

pleasehelpwi3 · 04/11/2024 18:08

I followed the whole article from the link OP provided.
It's complicated. If you can read it in the orginal French do so, it's clearer.
https://lecorrespondant.net/imane-khelif-ni-ovaires-ni-uterus-mais-des-testicules/

It's not black or white really. He/she seems neither one or the other.
I agree that they probably shouldn't be boxing as a woman, but also I am uncomfortable with the witch hunt. I've been to that part of Algeria- it is poor and is socially quite conservative (unlike Algiers where you see girls in jeans and t-shirts), and as others have said, they were brought up as a girl, not a boy.

Yes, a socially conservative area, where "traditionally only boys would play outside, and girls would rarely leave their homes.
Imane’s sporting talent was discovered by a local boxing coach as she was playing football in the street with boys. Khelif was apparently talent-spotted while playing in the street with boys."

So what was this "girl" doing playing football in the street with boys?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy5442g3vxlo

Imane Khalif stares forward wearing a boxing vest

Olympic boxer Imane Khelif’s uncle describes her tough upbringing

The uncle of boxer Imane Khelif, whose Olympics has been hit by a gender eligibility row, says she's faced "bullying".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy5442g3vxlo

YouAreOne · 04/11/2024 20:32

OuterSpaceCadet · 04/11/2024 20:24

It's fascinating that this case was always so important to trans ideology believers. All along there's been the same old celebrity misogynists virtue signalling their allyship on twitter and the same old incoherent posts on MN scolding women for their tone and refusing to engage in discussion.

The thing is, this shows they, like feminists, were certain IK was male from the offset. Otherwise it would have held no relevance as IK said at the time they weren't trans.

But instead of defending their actual beliefs (that any man with woman feelings is entitled to anything for women and that sex is irrelevant), they all colluded with IK's lies and slurred women for speaking the truth even through they agreed with half of what we were saying!

Why did they do that? I would love to know what it is about trans ideology that has supposedly normal people willing to give up any shred of logic and integrity in the service of it.

👏👏👏

theilltemperedqueenofspacetime · 04/11/2024 20:30

TriesNotToBeCynical · 04/11/2024 19:58

He/she can't possibly have gone through male puberty. Without modern medical investigations there would be no way of knowing he was not a women.

So, if your daughter grew up to look like this image, you would assume all was perfectly normal?

Have you seen human beings?

imane khelif has been allegedly confirmed to be a man.
Hoppinggreen · 04/11/2024 20:29

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Hoppinggreen · 04/11/2024 20:27

TriesNotToBeCynical · 04/11/2024 19:58

He/she can't possibly have gone through male puberty. Without modern medical investigations there would be no way of knowing he was not a women.

How about by looking at him?
We can tell, some people with certain agendas would like to say we can't but we can. Even when everyone wore masks we could tell

OuterSpaceCadet · 04/11/2024 20:24

It's fascinating that this case was always so important to trans ideology believers. All along there's been the same old celebrity misogynists virtue signalling their allyship on twitter and the same old incoherent posts on MN scolding women for their tone and refusing to engage in discussion.

The thing is, this shows they, like feminists, were certain IK was male from the offset. Otherwise it would have held no relevance as IK said at the time they weren't trans.

But instead of defending their actual beliefs (that any man with woman feelings is entitled to anything for women and that sex is irrelevant), they all colluded with IK's lies and slurred women for speaking the truth even through they agreed with half of what we were saying!

Why did they do that? I would love to know what it is about trans ideology that has supposedly normal people willing to give up any shred of logic and integrity in the service of it.