imane khelif has been allegedly confirmed to be a man.

I look like a man and act like a man, I must be a man

There is only one thing that makes you a man. Being born a boy & growing up.

If you have got to this stage in your life & you can't correctly sex 99.99% of people with a mere glance, we can't help you.

But just so you know, this is something humans are exceedingly good at.

When the whole furore was happening, I showed that picture to My Nigel and he was just bemused that I was even asking.

When people (usually men) call women 'men' or 'manly' as an insult it isn't because they can't tell she is a woman. Quite the opposite. It's used as an insult because they do know a woman when they see one. They just want to put her down - see Serena Williams.

This is completely different to the current gaslighting of women that's going on where we are told that obvious men are not men despite masses of evidence to the contrary.

You don't need to. A cheek swab will do and Khelif failed two of them, including one he commissioned himself. You'd know that if you read the thread. The other acts, like men hugging and carrying him, are relevant because they're proof that nobody on his own team thinks he's a woman either, as they'd never do that if he were. As you'd know if you'd read the thread.

As it is, he is clearly and visibly a man anyway. He doesn't pass at all, even in makeup and soft focus. But if that's not enough for you, there's plenty more.

You lot do a lot of forcing women to repeat themselves, time wasting, denial etc. It's designed to exhaust us and waste our time and to be fair, it succeeds. But the facts remain and they can be repeated however often you ignore them. He's a man.

As someone on X said earlier, though, he could have dropped his shorts and teabagged everyone in the room and you lot would still be insisting he wasn't a man. You can waste our time, ignore the facts, argue by assertion, insist on endless repeats, deny, deflect, filibust, whatever. He's still a man.

Just watch the Olympic boxing matches.

It's very clear to see the women boxers move & box very differently to the men. Their hips are different so their feet move differently to the male boxers. Even those the same height as Khalief have a much different (and much shorter) reach.

Then you look at the power of their arms and punches. Men & women box very differently & this is probably dictated by physical development differences between the sexes.

It's not all Algerian alpine air.

Plus no women scored any points against Khalief. Whereas in the women's matches they all scored against each other.

It's not even like the image looks like a woman who is now taking testosterone. You can literally see there has never been a female puberty.

FFS, I showed a pic of IK to my son and asked him if that’s a man or a woman and he knew!
It really has gotten so ridiculous now that it’s the equivalent of flat earthers or people trying to argue the sky is green.

Just look at the pic of the Rio women’s 800m winners. That is a picture of three dudes. I genuinely cannot believe that people are tying themselves in knots to convince us otherwise!

@user1471500282 because humans have been able to accurately deduce the sec of another adult human for millennia. Our survival has depended on it, both in terms of procreation and protection from threat. Somewhat bizarrely, since the advent of smartphones, apparently this is no longer something humans are able to do. Except that those of us who are rational, know that we can. It's the same reason we can tell that a man in a dress with long hair is still a man irrespective of his "feels".

Are you suggesting that you look at that person and don’t see a man? You can’t see the different skeleton shape giving a distinctly man style walk? And those extremely defined shoulders with visible muscle in arms and legs? That looks nothing like the women he stands next to with their higher body fat ratio, and female hips?

It constantly amazes me that so many people are suddenly arguing that they can’t tell male from female. When did this mass delusion come about? Why hasn’t it affected other countries like Afghanistan? They know which half of the population to cover and silence.

In fact I truly believe biological facts are facts, I just don’t believe you can tell biological facts by mannerism or appearance. And suggesting that you can is dangerously limiting. I look like a man and act like a man, I must be a man.

Because of the other evidence that when stacked up tells everyone what their eyes already know. That is a photo of a man.

Ah come on though, i could get you a photo of the most beautiful feminine post op trans person but still not a woman, right? So how is that photo proof of anything?

Again, why are posters constantly dragging trans issues into this, when that isn't what's being discussed?

That aside, you're looking at that image and dying on the hill that that's a woman?

Ah come on though, i could get you a photo of the most beautiful feminine post op trans person but still not a woman, right? So how is that photo proof of anything?

The fact that you've completely ignored the biological facts and proof of them and are repeating the same old "you just can't handle women not being typically feminine" literal bollocks that two other people tried and failed to weaponise already. You'll be on about Serena Williams next.

But he has a PINK top on.

Because the International Boxing Association previously banned him from competing because he failed their eligibility tests to compete as female. Both IK and the other male boxer who went on to compete and win at the Paris Olympics failed to challenge the ban. Because they couldn't because it was true.

They knew. We all knew. It's only because the idiots at the IOC have a policy of letting men compete in women's sport if they have a passport that says F (very easy for any man to get).

Yes, but this person is not a big person. 11- 12 stone, not extraordinarily tall for a woman. Muscular, but all women boxers are. No Adam’s apple that I could perceive. So are you saying that you can tell by looking that they have statistically more muscle than a woman could ever have? I personally feel that mannerisms are an unreliable indicator of biological sex, so how do you know?

Here you go:

Babies as young as 6 months - some even say 3 months - are able to detect biological sex.

We might not have known 100% for sure, but its gaslighting on another level for so many around the world to have suspected maleness and bash them for adhering to what is a hardwired evolutionary trait.

It's alright though, because unlike the other venom on here that I repeatedly report and is REPEATEDLY left to stand, my comment will get deleted

thats because your posts are personal attacks against mumsnet users…its really not a difficult concept

But given that none of us have seen the cock and balls (I assume) and no report said this person had them before, how were so many (feminist?) posters on this thread so convinced before the report than they are a man?

The tests carried out by his team indicated he has male testosterone levels which can only be produced at that level naturally by testes.

Also, in professional boxing, the current WBO and WBA men's welterweight (same category, approx 63–67 kg) champion, Terence Crawford, is 173cm tall.
The current WBC men's welterweight champion, Mario Barrios, is 178cm tall.
The current IBF men's welterweight champion, Jaron Ennis, is 178cm tall.

Khelif at 178cm is bang on in comparison with male boxers in the same weight category.

At the London Olympics, the men's medallists were 179cms (gold), 180cms (silver) and 179cms (bronze).

So Khelif is also bang on for height in the men's Olympic welterweight class.

If you have read the whole thread then this has already been answered.

The average height for males is Algeria is 169.7cm, and for females is 158.5cm.
Khelif is very nearly 20cm (well over 7 and a half inches) taller than the average Algerian woman.

Pretty tall for an Algerian man, too.

We know because we have to for safety and reproduction purposes.
A man could be 5ft tall and skinny and a woman could be 6ft and muscular and I would know which was which.

Do you understand the process of puberty?

If you do then the evidence of your own eyes will confirm that he has indeed gone through puberty to transform from a boy to a man.