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imane khelif has been allegedly confirmed to be a man.

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Cartwrightandson · 04/11/2024 13:15

A leaked French medical report from 2023 has confirmed that Algerian boxer Imane Khelif is male.

Top endocrinologists found that Khelif has XY chromosomes, no uterus, internal testicles, and a "micropenis."

The report was drafted in June of 2023 via a collaboration between the Kremlin-Bicêtre hospital in Paris, France, and the Mohamed Lamine Debaghine hospital in Algiers, Algeria. Drafted by expert endocrinologists Soumaya Fedala and Jacques Young, the report reveals that Khelif is impacted by 5-alpha reductase deficiency, a disorder of sexual development that is only found in biological males.

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AccidentallyWesAnderson · 04/11/2024 21:45

user1471500282 · 04/11/2024 21:43

Yes it’s a spectrum. Im not trolling google
for photos of transexuals that are able
to ‘pass’ but they exist, and so do people that are the sex they claim to be but are further to the other end of the spectrum in looks. My personal issue is I feel that we’d have a lot less gender confusion if people were more accepting of difference in the first place.

Again, have you ever met a human where you genuinely didn’t know if they were male or female?

Hunglikeapolevaulter · 04/11/2024 21:45

My personal issue is I feel that we’d have a lot less gender confusion if people were more accepting of difference in the first place.

For sure. But that doesn't mean men in women's sports, or jails, or rape shelters.

lifeturnsonadime · 04/11/2024 21:44

This global gaslighting has got to end.

Seriously it does. It only ever favours male people.

It's the most misogynistic movement ever. Women literally don't count.

LadyWiddiothethird · 04/11/2024 21:44

Of course he’s a man! Always was.

Planesmistakenforstars · 04/11/2024 21:43

HerGorgeousMajestyArabellaScott · 04/11/2024 15:31

Man Punches Women in Face. Awarded Gold Medal. Women who Object Labelled Bigots.

I have no sympathy for Khelif. A micropenis is not an excuse.

From another thread:

'Did you know that male boxers don't wear helmets because their punching power is so great that the risk of a broken neck (torsion injury from catching on the helmet) greatly outweighs that of a fractured skull?
Now, women have much thinner skulls, so they do wear helmets. Lucky they don't risk a broken neck from being punched by men, isn't it?'

He could have killed a woman. He doesn't care.

A man should not be in the ring with a woman, but this is not true. Here is a summary of the report from the AIBA study in the Clinical Journal of Sport Medicine:
https://journals.lww.com/cjsportsmed/fulltext/2017/01000/use_of_head_guards_in_aiba_boxing_tournaments_a.13.aspx

There seems to be an increased risk of concussion with a head guard, for various reasons. But risks of broken necks and fractured skulls with or without head gear is pure hyperbole from whoever came out with it. The reason headgear was not removed for women as it was for men is because there was not enough data either way. Nothing to do with thinner skulls. The head gear has also been kept for juniors - both boys and girls - for the same reason that no study big enough has been conducted.

Use of Head Guards in AIBA Boxing Tournaments—A... : Clinical Journal of Sport Medicine

emoval of head guards in 2 different ways. The first was to examine the stoppages due to blows to the head by comparing World Series Boxing (WSB), without head guards, to other AIBA competitions with head guards. Secondly, we examined the last 3 world...

https://journals.lww.com/cjsportsmed/fulltext/2017/01000/use_of_head_guards_in_aiba_boxing_tournaments_a.13.aspx

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 04/11/2024 21:43

hoarahloux · 04/11/2024 21:39

Ah yes Reduxx dot info. Noted news source. Honestly, people need to be looking at where they get their news from.

Where do you get yours? Pink News? The Guardian?

user1471500282 · 04/11/2024 21:43

Hoppinggreen · 04/11/2024 21:35

Its not a box its a spectrum.
As I and others have said already several times a small, slighltly built man still looks like a man and a tall muscular woman still looks like a woman.
Occasionally it can be hard to tell in photos or video but never in person.
Its not even just about looks per se, its about their physicality. Even in the very few cases where I have been unsure its been quite obvious within seconds as they move

Yes it’s a spectrum. Im not trolling google
for photos of transexuals that are able
to ‘pass’ but they exist, and so do people that are the sex they claim to be but are further to the other end of the spectrum in looks. My personal issue is I feel that we’d have a lot less gender confusion if people were more accepting of difference in the first place.

WestwardHo1 · 04/11/2024 21:42

Look at the length of his face and jaw. That's what happens to a boy's face who has gone through puberty. Literally anyone who has had a son knows this. Their faces lengthen in a way that girls' faces do not. I used to be a primary teacher - occasionally I get a young man or woman hailing me in the street "Hi miss". I have a far harder job recognising the young men.

This is nothing to do with Western standards of beauty and everything to do with biology and hormones.

Helleofabore · 04/11/2024 21:41

“I like to jog in a wooded area. I can spot who is male from a huge distance. Despite running and dog walking clothing being pretty similar for men and women. I doubt I'm unique.”

me too.

I can even tell my husband’s gait from a distance with my fuzzy long distance sight. It is pattern recognition. Male hips = male gait.

SpudleyLass · 04/11/2024 21:40

hoarahloux · 04/11/2024 21:39

Ah yes Reduxx dot info. Noted news source. Honestly, people need to be looking at where they get their news from.

No less reliable than any media source that refers to men, such as Eddie Izzard, as she/her.

hoarahloux · 04/11/2024 21:39

Ah yes Reduxx dot info. Noted news source. Honestly, people need to be looking at where they get their news from.

IAmAWarriorPrincessHonestGuv · 04/11/2024 21:38

user1471500282 · 04/11/2024 21:18

In fact I truly believe biological facts are facts, I just don’t believe you can tell biological facts by mannerism or appearance. And suggesting that you can is dangerously limiting. I look like a man and act like a man, I must be a man.

You appear to be confusing superficial cosmetic aspects of appearance with the fixed aspects of a body which are extremely difficult, if not impossible, to replicate by the opposite sex. Skeleton, fat to muscle ratio sex specific proportions -shorter body, larger hands/feet/head in males than females.

What does ‘act like a man’ look like? If a man doesn’t act like that, is he not a man?

Hoppinggreen · 04/11/2024 21:35

user1471500282 · 04/11/2024 21:30

I personally don’t believe at all that anyone can 100% tell every time the biological sex if a person, esp from a photo or video. Not even in person. Because there are billions of people and all
shapes and sizes. 100% you can determine it by the chromosomes they have. And the more you have one box of what men look like and one box for women, the more you’ll have people saying I don’t fit in this box, i must belong in the other. And again, I think it’s cheating to box as a woman when you know you are a man, but deciding they are a man because they look like a man is reductive.

Its not a box its a spectrum.
As I and others have said already several times a small, slighltly built man still looks like a man and a tall muscular woman still looks like a woman.
Occasionally it can be hard to tell in photos or video but never in person.
Its not even just about looks per se, its about their physicality. Even in the very few cases where I have been unsure its been quite obvious within seconds as they move

UnnecessaryOwl · 04/11/2024 21:35

Hunglikeapolevaulter · 04/11/2024 20:18

He/she can't possibly have gone through male puberty. Without modern medical investigations there would be no way of knowing he was not a women.

I'm trying to work out if this is sarcasm.

I liked the post as I really thought it was 😂

SpudleyLass · 04/11/2024 21:34

I guess my overarching point is that it isn't being able to detect bio sex that has got us here.

Its society being predicated on women being support humans, sex objects, only useful if they look good and/or are ''adequately'' feminine - and the ridiculous availability of porn, coupled with a society ill equipped to deal with poor mental health.

NonPlayerCharacter · 04/11/2024 21:34

user1471500282 · 04/11/2024 21:30

I personally don’t believe at all that anyone can 100% tell every time the biological sex if a person, esp from a photo or video. Not even in person. Because there are billions of people and all
shapes and sizes. 100% you can determine it by the chromosomes they have. And the more you have one box of what men look like and one box for women, the more you’ll have people saying I don’t fit in this box, i must belong in the other. And again, I think it’s cheating to box as a woman when you know you are a man, but deciding they are a man because they look like a man is reductive.

And that's why sex tests exist. Khelif has failed two of them. So if his jaw, wingspan, shoulders, chest and hips didn't convince you he's a man (we all know they did but we also know you'll never admit it so whatever), good news! We don't have to rely on looks! A simple once in a lifetime cheek swab is all that's required.

Your endless noise about looks is irrelevant.

PurpleSparkledPixie · 04/11/2024 21:34

WestwardHo1 · 04/11/2024 21:30

It constantly amazes me that so many people are suddenly arguing that they can’t tell male from female. When did this mass delusion come about? Why hasn’t it affected other countries like Afghanistan? They know which half of the population to cover and silence.

Oh god this, so much.

It's quite scary isn't it. I wonder what their dating scene must be like. "Hello, my name is Nigel. I'm a man. What are you?"

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 04/11/2024 21:33

user1471500282 · 04/11/2024 21:30

I personally don’t believe at all that anyone can 100% tell every time the biological sex if a person, esp from a photo or video. Not even in person. Because there are billions of people and all
shapes and sizes. 100% you can determine it by the chromosomes they have. And the more you have one box of what men look like and one box for women, the more you’ll have people saying I don’t fit in this box, i must belong in the other. And again, I think it’s cheating to box as a woman when you know you are a man, but deciding they are a man because they look like a man is reductive.

Have you ever met a human where you have genuinely not been able to decipher whether they were male or female? Really?

OvaHere · 04/11/2024 21:33

user1471500282 · 04/11/2024 21:30

I personally don’t believe at all that anyone can 100% tell every time the biological sex if a person, esp from a photo or video. Not even in person. Because there are billions of people and all
shapes and sizes. 100% you can determine it by the chromosomes they have. And the more you have one box of what men look like and one box for women, the more you’ll have people saying I don’t fit in this box, i must belong in the other. And again, I think it’s cheating to box as a woman when you know you are a man, but deciding they are a man because they look like a man is reductive.

I don't believe for a second you go through life in a permanent state of confusion as to who is male and female. This is an ideological position you hold not one based in reality.

SpudleyLass · 04/11/2024 21:32

user1471500282 · 04/11/2024 21:30

I personally don’t believe at all that anyone can 100% tell every time the biological sex if a person, esp from a photo or video. Not even in person. Because there are billions of people and all
shapes and sizes. 100% you can determine it by the chromosomes they have. And the more you have one box of what men look like and one box for women, the more you’ll have people saying I don’t fit in this box, i must belong in the other. And again, I think it’s cheating to box as a woman when you know you are a man, but deciding they are a man because they look like a man is reductive.

And the more you have one box of what men look like and one box for women, the more you’ll have people saying I don’t fit in this box, i must belong in the other.

Only TRAs do this based on sexist stereotypes, not looks.

I was the ugly duckling at school - the bullying was so vicious because they KNEW I was female.

And TRAs are quite telling on that point too - they'll compliment men with the largest receding hairline if he insists he ''feels like a woman'' but us terfs are put down immediately.

Its ironic, really.

NonPlayerCharacter · 04/11/2024 21:30

WestwardHo1 · 04/11/2024 21:28

In that case I apologise unreservedly!

The telling thing being, I couldn't actually tell, such is the insanity of some of the claims.

It's at that point where you can no longer satirise these people.

WestwardHo1 · 04/11/2024 21:30

It constantly amazes me that so many people are suddenly arguing that they can’t tell male from female. When did this mass delusion come about? Why hasn’t it affected other countries like Afghanistan? They know which half of the population to cover and silence.

Oh god this, so much.

user1471500282 · 04/11/2024 21:30

I personally don’t believe at all that anyone can 100% tell every time the biological sex if a person, esp from a photo or video. Not even in person. Because there are billions of people and all
shapes and sizes. 100% you can determine it by the chromosomes they have. And the more you have one box of what men look like and one box for women, the more you’ll have people saying I don’t fit in this box, i must belong in the other. And again, I think it’s cheating to box as a woman when you know you are a man, but deciding they are a man because they look like a man is reductive.

OuterSpaceCadet · 04/11/2024 21:29

user1471500282 · 04/11/2024 21:01

Yes, but this person is not a big person. 11- 12 stone, not extraordinarily tall for a woman. Muscular, but all women boxers are. No Adam’s apple that I could perceive. So are you saying that you can tell by looking that they have statistically more muscle than a woman could ever have? I personally feel that mannerisms are an unreliable indicator of biological sex, so how do you know?

How did I suspect?

Loads of things! That I am consciously aware of? Upper lip, brow, jaw, arm muscle shape, hips, waist.

If I met IK in the flesh I'm sure I'd be able to add smell and gait. But there must be so much more our brains register that we're less aware of.
(I like to jog in a wooded area. I can spot who is male from a huge distance. Despite running and dog walking clothing being pretty similar for men and women. I doubt I'm unique.)

I believed his female opponent who stopped the match. Why wouldn't I ?

And ironically it was the way trans activists and celebrity virtue signallers leapt on the case online, despite IK saying themselves they weren't trans, that assuaged any remaining doubts. They don't do that shit for actual women.

And of course IK's behaviour, sitting on the coach's shoulders. To say it is unusual is not to say Muslim women from Algeria should or should not behave a certain way. It is simply an observation.

WestwardHo1 · 04/11/2024 21:28

nolongersurprised · 04/11/2024 20:54

Surely that poster was being sarcastic?

In that case I apologise unreservedly!

The telling thing being, I couldn't actually tell, such is the insanity of some of the claims.