imane khelif has been allegedly confirmed to be a man.

Yeah, as there’s no repechage, Kalif’s presence has skewed the entire game.

He should not have the gold - but the whole thing is a shambles.

It could have been Angela Carini who won gold (for example), but as she was knocked out in the first fight with this man we will never know.

There seems to be no trouble with Khelif living as Khelif. At the moment, with all the discussion, Khelif is being treated as a celebrity with invites to grand events and layouts in Vogue.

Has any of the female boxers from the Olympics been treated with such reverence and celebrity? No.

Khelif is now a celebrity. Khelif already was considered an ambassador for 'girls' with Khelif's charity work. What other new female athletes from the Olympics have been given such status so quickly?

If there is one, anyone please post their names. It really is stark when you start to look beyond the knee jerk empathy response. The inequality here is very clear.

How do you think that Khelif's upbringing is guiding Khelif's life at the moment?

More coverage here.

Hopefully everyone will now agree that the IOC has to reinstate sex testing

www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/boxing/article-14009849/Imane-Khelif-new-leaked-report-Olympics-gender-row-boxer.html

Come on… he’s NOT been brought up as female! He and his family knew from puberty at the latest and it’s very clear that he has been socialised differently to other ‘women’. It’s there on his timeline and observable in the interactions broadcast to the world with his coaching team. The disingenuousness of this line if argument is risible.

I’m not arguing that he is female or should be treated as such. Just wondering about his upbringing and its effect. If he has actually been brought up as a male then clearly he will have no trouble living as one.

It is, which is why Khalif and the other boxer are banned from competing by at least two boxing organisations.

It was clear that he and his team didn't give a fuck about optics. The whole thing was blatantly triumphant and two fingers up.

Yeah, that’s put it better than I could!

I somehow doubt that women in Algeria are expected to act in that way. Or anywhere else for that matter. Women winning in the other weight classes acted with a lot more decorum (even the male one). It really looked like extremely blokey behaviour and I think showed a certain contempt towards the sporting world. Perhaps a final hurrah as I don’t think Khalif will be able to compete again.

Well, assuming Kehlif is female, it's also pretty stupid given the controversy that Kehlif 's team have not released test results that prove it.

So the argument "Kehlif's team would not something that stupid" is not an argument anyone who believes Kehlif is female can use, since in order to believe this they already have to believe Kehlif's team can be pretty stupid!

It is remarkable. It really really is....

Khelif was discovered playing football with the boys of the same age by the boxing coach. What makes you believe that Khelif was being brought up as a female once male puberty started?

And bluntly, it is irrelevant to this discussion about female boxing whether this male person believed they were male or female unless you wish to prioritise a male person's feelings and emotional health over female boxers.

’passing’ in photos are not an indication of ‘passing’ in real life.

Absolutely. I've seen quite a few photographs of transwomen who look nothing like their photographs in real life. You can work wonders with Photoshop, filters and the like...

What has that got to do with him competing, at elite level, in women's boxing? He is a man and everyone knew it before women were put at risk.

His difficulties accepting his DSD diagnosis shouldn't give him a free pass to hurt women. What's your point here? It's understandable that disappointed/frustrated men want to punch women?

Do you identify as a misogynist or were you born that way?

I’m not denying that he is biologically, physically male. But how easy do you think it would be, given that he has been brought up female and thinking he is female, to suddenly start living as a man

How is this in any way related to the Olympics and boxing against women?

I have no doubt people with DSD's walk a different path, that may be quite difficult or at least challenging at times. Growing up somewhere culturally conservative is no doubt difficult for many too.

But this has nothing to do with someone who knows he is male, pretending to be a woman to cheat at top level sports and steal Olympic medals, and take all the accolades and advantages that follow that "win". Thankfully no women were harmed (that we know of) these Olympics, but things need to change immediately so in future Olympics women are not competing with men, in high contact sport or any sport at all.

He seems to do it just fine.

But how easy do you think it would be, given that he has been brought up female and thinking he is female, to suddenly start living as a man?

Any images and footage I've seen of him, how he dresses and moves through the world, show someone who has been at ease with being male for an extremely long time.

Come on… he’s NOT been brought up as female! He and his family knew from puberty at the latest and it’s very clear that he has been socialised differently to other ‘women’. It’s there on his timeline and observable in the interactions broadcast to the world with his coaching team. The disingenuousness of this line if argument is risible.

I absolutely feel for him and his family that discovering the DSD when he was a pre-teen and having it confirmed in recent tests will have been hard and counselling should have been available. I appreciate that their hopes of benefiting from the cash cow of a women’s boxing career - that hinged on his covering this up - will have hugely impacted the material comfort of his poor, rural Algerian family.

However, my sympathy stops there and my antipathy begins from the moment when he chose to step over the ropes into a ring and beat the shit out of successive female competitors, risking their lives along with their medal hopes.

He seems to do it (living as a man) pretty easily watching his training videos and the way he interacts with his coaching team.

I’m not denying that he is biologically, physically male. But how easy do you think it would be, given that he has been brought up female and thinking he is female, to suddenly start living as a man?

Do you honestly think he's only just found out?

Personally I'd start feeling suspicious, as would my mother, when my voice broke.

I’m not denying that he is biologically, physically male. But how easy do you think it would be, given that he has been brought up female and thinking he is female, to suddenly start living as a man?

Why are you calling Khelif they?

Be very careful of calling Khelif ‘trans’ - it a criminal offence in Algeria punishable by a large fine and up to 3 years in prison. He has very clearly stated that he is not trans.

He is, however, deluded if - despite the medical reports to the contrary (and the lived experience of a male puberty) - he retains any belief that he is a woman.

I believe Khelif goes by "she/her" not "they" @wombat15 - fine by me what pronouns you want to use, but seems surprising given your die-hard genderist beliefs?

Why do you think that any male person should be boxing a female athlete unless the female boxer has specifically agreed to box male boxers? Or do you agree that Khelif should not have been in the female event in the Olympics, but you just want to censure what is said by others?