imane khelif has been allegedly confirmed to be a man.

Discriminatory
Sex testing is discriminatory against women because there are no sex tests for men.

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Khelif has form for backing out of a situation where he would be forced to provide proof. When he was first banned he had the opportunity to appeal to an independent tribunal , but this would have meant that his medical records would have been produced in court. As Semanya found out when he appealed in similar circumstances the full extent of the deception is then made public. As long as Khelif can continue to hide behind the “ my medical records are private” pretence he will carry on making empty threats about legal action. He is squeezing the last drops out of this situation, in the end the truth will out, but not in court.

It is still illegal and in fact any woman who has testosterone at the level required for a transwoman to qualify to compete in the female class would be disqualified for doping.

Remember that the testosterone requirement for transwomen wasn't brought in because it was fair, but because it was possible. It is the only thing a transwoman athlete could change. It does bring performance down to reduce testosterone, but absolutely not to anywhere near eradicating male advantage. It's laughable.

And even if it did, which it doesn't, it would still be unfair because transmen can't achieve male levels of athleticism by taking testosterone, so male athletic opportunities will never be an option. So even if a transwoman did lose all male advantage by reducing testosterone for a bit (which is impossible), it just means men can have a crack at male and female sporting opportunities and medals, and women get whatever's left over when they're done.

They lost me at

"Lack of scientific basis
"There is no scientific consensus that higher testosterone levels in women gives them an athletic advantage."

In that case why are natal women penalised if they ingest substances to increase their testosterone? Or is there no longer any penalty for doing this, which was believed to enhance their performance? It used to be called "doping", I seem to remember.

What nonsense.

That AI answer has picked up such a lot of nonsense. If some of those were actually used by the IOC as justifications to stop routine sex testing then it illustrates how poorly they carry out their function.

.....then went on to sue, win and be allowed to compete as a woman so the whole thing was redundant.

I would say the situation has changed significantly now though - more people with DSDs are entering elite sports and there are more transgender individuals.

This is the AI summary of the answer to the question "Why did the IOC stop gender testing?"

AI Overview
The International Olympic Committee (IOC) stopped gender testing because of the following reasons:
Lack of scientific basis
There is no scientific consensus that higher testosterone levels in women gives them an athletic advantage.

Inconsistent and inconclusive
Chromosome-based tests are inconclusive and have been criticized for being medically and functionally inconsistent.

Discriminatory
Sex testing is discriminatory against women because there are no sex tests for men.

Complexities of gender identity
Sex is not as simple as X and Y chromosomes, and there are many common sex chromosomal variations.

Human rights
Sex testing regulations violate the Olympic movement's commitments to dignity and equality for all.

The IOC's decision to stop gender testing was the result of a number of factors, including:
The case of María José Martínez-Patiño
Martínez-Patiño's experience with the IAAF's gender verification policy led to the abandonment of mandatory on-site testing in 1992.

The IOC Athletes Commission's recommendation
The IOC Athletes Commission recommended discontinuing the practice of gender verification.

The 1996 World Conference on Women and Health
The IOC World Conference on Women and Health passed a resolution to discontinue gender verification during the Olympic Games.

The IOC's executive board vote
The IOC's executive board voted to discontinue the practice in June 1999.

From my own reading, Maria José Martínez-Patiño was distraught upon being told she wasn't a woman after reaching adulthood believing she was. This was also considered distressing and upsetting for Olympic officials who had no training in how to support Athletes in these situations. Maria also

Sorry @EveDeservesBetter I missed your post. That's really interesting.

If that's fake news then Times Radio is guilty too. The sports commentator mentioned IK's DSD this morning, specifying that it was 5 ARD, and host accepted as if that was well known to all.

Yes, sorry, it will be great if the journalist sues and refuses to settle out of court.

Yes, allegedly Khelif is suing a whole host of prominent people, but the journalist is suing Khelif.

Yes, but if the journalists sues for defamation Khelif will have no choice but to defend his position in court, to prove that the journalist is lying? Which he cannot do, it would seem. Even if he chose to settle out of court, in an effort to evade the scrutiny, such a settlement would be tantamount to an admission of his maleness?

This is kind of a checkmate move, isn’t it?

I thought the suing was being done by the journalist he's defamed, not by Khelif? So it won't be up to him whether to do it or not, but to his accuser.

Khelif won’t actually sue because he knows it will bring out the truth. He’s just throwing around threats to keep his supporters on board.

I imagine Khelif could counter it by saying he meant it was boring or irrelevant...just guessing. One way or another, he's surely going to have to make a statement in court about whether he's biologically male or female according to the sex test markers. If he counters by claiming he didn't mean the story was false, then that's surely a tacit admission that it's true.

Or maybe he'll settle out of court.

I don't know. It'll be interesting to see what happens. I can't see any way the journalist can lose if the court isn't insane, but the laws in many places, and therefore the courts that enforcement them, are currently insane. I assume the case is taking place in Algeria?

The journalist says he's seen Khelif's medical record and that it says Khelif is male with 5-ARD. That's what's being called "fake news".

Not quite true...there are other defences and actually "fair comment" is the one most commonly used.

In this case, though, it all hinges on a simple point of fact, which most libel cases don't do (they're more likely to be something along the lines of "he's the worst actor on telly and ruins every show he's in"). I suppose it will depend on what is meant by "fake news" and, ultimately, what a woman is. If, as in Oz, it is ruled that a woman can be a man who says he's a woman, we could be in for trouble. I don't see any way it won't provide some much needed sunlight, though.

Human decency is also lacking in allowing men to punch women and cheat at women's sports, both putting them in real physical danger and also making a mockery of fair competition and robbing all the female competitors of the chance to win an Olympic medal, after dedicating their lives to training for it.

I think intent counts in terms of any 'witch hunt', but I don't think it counts in terms of the cold hard facts of the matter and whether, if it's subsequently confirmed he is male, whether he should be stripped of the title and medals (and prevented to competing in women's sports in the future).

In English law, the only defence against a libel suit is to prove that the libellous statement is true. IK would have to prove that the story about him is untrue.

'Fake news' is a serious slur and an attack on the journalist's livelihood.

It's exactly what's happening! Oh my. So now, presumably, Khelif will have to either prove he's a woman or openly accept that he's a man? If he's effectively called the journalist a liar, then presumably he will need to refute the evidence that led to the story?

We know he's telling the truth. I guess it hinges on whether he can force proof of Khelif's sex to be submitted to any court.

If he sues for libel, they can prove it's true. If he sues for breach of confidentiality, or whatever the phrase would be, I imagine it's possible that the public interest would justify it. This isn't some silly kiss and tell scandal, there's serious public interest in this.

If Corriere claims the journalist is lying and he can prove he isn't, he'd surely have a libel case for that?

Italian interview with the journalist who obtained the leaked Khelif medical info. He's Algerian himself. Below is the translated text available on their website as well as the original.

https://feministpost.it/dal-mondo/khelif-e-maschio-sono-in-possesso-dei-sex-test-parla-il-giornalista-francese-che-ha-riaperto-il-caso/

THE two medical reports – French and Algerian – which the journalist came into possession of, later released by the feminist site Reduxx, reveal that Khelif has XY karyotype, internal testes, male testosterone levels and would be affected by 5-alpha reductase deficiency, (5 ADR), a disorder of sex development that is found only in biological males and sometimes leads to them being incorrectly classified as female at birth.

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You say you have two medical reports confirming that Khelif has XY karyotype with DSD, 5-ARD. Are you absolutely sure that the documents are not fake?

«More than sure. 200 percent. These reports cannot be falsified, we have obtained them from reliable sources, well placed within the institutions. They come directly from the offices".

The news has reached Italy. In the Corriere della Sera for example they write that your investigation is a hoax. The endocrinologists Soumaya Fedala and Jacques Young, whom you cite, are not aware of the facts.

«They are lying. Let them provide me with a single statement from Young in which he says he did not know about these reports.^ An article in Libération reports that the Hopitaux de Paris has confirmed the existence of the report.^And it is absolutely impossible to deny its existence: the one in Paris bears a number composed of several numbers. In any case, If Khelif goes ahead the courts will want to check our documents, so they will have to ask the hospitals for them. The fact that the Corriere journalist does not know me is normal. We have not frequented the same places. I have not met him in the Balkans or in Afghanistan or anywhere else where one braves danger for a news story. I am not one of those journalists who reinvent the news behind their desks, waiting for the lunch break, to gorge themselves on a delicious plate of spaghetti and “bufala”. I ran after the human being wherever I found him, to tell his story with sincerity, humility and empathy. Why does Corriere publish such an article without checking the veracity of the information? There is no honesty or rigor».