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MIL wants itinerary of our holidays

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Gul8 · 04/11/2024 10:16

I'd like to know if I'm being unreasonable to request to not share itinerary with MIL every time we go on holiday?

Me and my DH are in our late 30s/early 40s with 2 primary school age DC.
Last time we went on a long-haul holiday MIL called the hotel we were staying at in a stress to make sure we arrived OK (hotel staff told us at breakfast). We were jetlagged and arrived in the middle of the night and DH was probably exhausted from a long flight with little kids and was going to text her a few hours later at breakfast.

I feel its quite intrusive that my DH shares a full itinerary of where we are at our holidays.

My family don't expect me to even tell them we've arrived OK on a foreign holiday let alone give them an itinerary of our hotel stays. My family are caring but I think they realize we are adults with our own families and at some point in adulthood you stop informing your parents of your holiday whereabouts?

I realize this is due to MIL concerns for our welfare and her anxieties probably but AIBU to want to try to put an end to this and tell her she needs to find a different way to manage her anxiety around her son and grandchildrens/my children's whereabouts?

I've already told her it makes me uncomfortable when she asked for details of a holiday in front me a while after that long-haul holiday, she responded that DH has always done it (I didn't know!) and she just wants to make sure her son and grandchildren are safe.

OP posts:
NerrSnerr · 04/11/2024 13:37

I don't understand the obsession about letting people know you've landed safely. If you hadn't landed safely and the plane had crashed I'd be breaking news- especially if it's a flight from or to the UK.

I'm on the chilled side of things though, I have a husband who is always abroad for work in various places and I have been known to not know what city he's in (he does tell me but I forget sometimes). He does message regularly though so I know he's not dead (and if he was to die someone from his work would let me know quickly so I don't worry if he's travelling and I don't hear from him)

Firstimpressions · 04/11/2024 13:35

Changingplace · 04/11/2024 13:26

I think unless there’s a specific family situation where say someone is ill etc then even the thought process that there might be an emergency is over the top, the likelihood of there being an emergency and phones of two adults being both unavailable is really unlikely.

It's situations like deaths or sudden serious illnesses a family would wish to know about that are exactly the reasons people are talking about when they say it's not unreasonable to share flight & hotel details. Phones are not always contactable.Knowing the details are a simple safeguard. It's not just about arriving safely.

DelphiniumBlue · 04/11/2024 13:33

TofuTart · 04/11/2024 11:57

You know where they are though, whether it Greece or Spain, or wherever? Presumably the region they're staying in too. Eg, Kos, or Barcelona. Why would you need to know their everyday holiday itinerary?

Oh, no, not everyday itinerary…I very rarely know exactly what I’m doing in advance. But I guess the point is, my mum would be able to contact the hotel in emergency…if she did that inappropriately, we would discuss it, but I know she’s a worrier, I think people who live alone and no longer work have a lot of time on their hands and might fill that with worries.

starfishmummy · 04/11/2024 13:32

The in laws usually know when we are going away and the rough area because DS tells them, but we certainly don't tell them we have arrived or an itenerary.

On the other hand they often don't Tell us they're away until they get back!

Parky04 · 04/11/2024 13:31

I tell my DM that I'm going away somewhere, and she hopes I have a good time. We will catch up when I get back. The only person who I communicate with when I'm away is my DP.

TorroFerney · 04/11/2024 13:30

pasturesgreen · 04/11/2024 11:35

My Dad is a bit like this. Used to drive me bananas when I was younger (39 now), but I've come to realise it comes from a place of care, plus in the grand scheme it's fairly harmless. I'll probably look back on it fondly in years to come.

It actually come in useful once in 20 or so years, when he called the hotel landline to notify me of a family emergency (early days of mobile phones and signal was patchy and unreliable).

I don’t think it is care, it’s to satisfy a need in them. I was attacked in an apartment when I was 11, a man had been watching and broke in and assaulted me. It was late at night and He knew my parents had left me in there alone. If we are now on holiday and have a bedroom and a living room and the living room has my daughter sleeping on the sofa bed and the room has the outer door on it I have to have a real word with myself as I convince myself someone will break in and get my daughter and that I won’t hear it. It’s irrational, but slightly worse as it did happen to me but I’d never ever let her know because it’s my anxiety not hers. So I lock the front door take and take a deep breath !

Gul8 · 04/11/2024 13:30

Pushmepullu · 04/11/2024 13:12

Depends on what you mean by itinerary.
Husband and I give an itinerary to our son. We include accommodation and their numbers. We do a lot of independent travel in Asia and other places where mobile/internet cover is patchy. I would much rather this than if a flight went down and he doesn’t know if we were on it and can’t get hold of us that he worries. I’m not sure why OP, and others, think it’s unreasonable. Surely it’s common sense and doesn’t harm anyone? You sound really unpleasant to your mil, telling her she should manage her anxieties.

I haven't told my MIL to manage her anxiety. That would be very insensitive and I wouldn't do that.

I send MiL and my parents pictures while on holiday or days away, usually of the kids and/or her son/my DH with the kids. But I have not, as an adult experienced being asked to share certain details before by a parent/PIL just to know where we are.

I see it as the difference between me wanting to share things about our lives as an adult with the grandparents, and what a grandparents is asking me to share to ease their anxiety about whereabouts.

As I said above, it may be easiest to continue as is and for me to just deal with it as it is and accept it.

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ArtInTheMediumOfTurnip · 04/11/2024 13:30

I feel its quite intrusive that my DH shares a full itinerary of where we are at our holidays.

FGS this is why MIL and DIL have such tragic relationships. "Quite intrusive' really?

We always used to do this as a matter of course when anyone was travelling abroad and moving around in case of an emergency - so you would know which hotel they were in and when, just in case. It's hardly the end of the world. You probably tell your friends what you are doing in similar terms.

Flight numbers/times/ hotel names and dates at hotels would normally do.

The ONLY reason it bothers you is because it is your MIL showing she cares about her son and YOU don't like her.

Sigh.

Tink3rbell30 · 04/11/2024 13:29

dontbedaft2000 · 04/11/2024 11:32

Luckily, she doesn't mind the MIL knowing where she's staying, it's just the creepy demand for literally their entire itinerary coupled with bizarrely phoning a hotel to check up on them that's a problem.

Now that the OP knows her MIL is a nutter, she can certainly put a stop to her husband pandering to this rubbish, if she wants to.

I doubt he will stop.

Candymay · 04/11/2024 13:28

GinnyPiggie · 04/11/2024 10:31

I hate this and I think it's quite a narcissistic thing, like the world is so dangerous and you are only safe with mummy. It's a shit message to give your kids.

I'd have to ignore it and not get involved.

Oh no another diagnosis of narcissism
terrible mil dreadful woman

Changingplace · 04/11/2024 13:26

montelbano · 04/11/2024 13:20

Seems reasonable to let her know the name and tel.no. of the hotel just in case there is an emergency at home and she has been unable to contact you on your phone, but that is all. A text/call to say you have arrived safely should suffice.

I think unless there’s a specific family situation where say someone is ill etc then even the thought process that there might be an emergency is over the top, the likelihood of there being an emergency and phones of two adults being both unavailable is really unlikely.

Changingplace · 04/11/2024 13:23

My in-laws asked us to put trackers on our phones like SiL has done, ‘so we don’t need to keep texting you to check you’re OK’. We refused.

Good god, that sounds stifling, good for you saying no, that’s insanity!

My in laws are much more of a wanting to know you’re landed safe etc, and general worriers about everything. I let DH deal with them on this stuff, I find it too much.

If MIL called our hotel I’d feel stalked!! they’ve never asked for this kind of level of detail but it’s really unnecessary.

I’ve often been on holiday and not mentioned it to my dad until I get home, so we’re complete opposites! I think he’d think I’d gone mad if I messaged him to say I’d arrived anywhere safe, he assumes I’m safe & a competent adult unless he hears otherwise I guess. Mobile phones means he can call any time, the concept that I wouldn’t arrive safe anywhere is melodramatic imo.

Firstimpressions · 04/11/2024 13:23

Gul8 · 04/11/2024 13:06

Thanks all, it's been really useful to get your different perspectives and experiences on this, which is what I was after.

I do feel for my MIL, both in terms of potential MH/anxieties and that it's her family too that she cares deeply for and don't want to make her MH worse for her. I feel its an overstep on our holidays (to be asked to share details not to do so on his own accord), much like many people here feel too.
I've made it clear to my DH it's very unusual for me and I don't understand it. But for various reasons maybe MIL needs this little thing in her life and I should accept that little thing and move on.

I do think it's being too intrusive to actually call the hotel. If your mil is known to be the anxious type regarding travelling abroad a simple text would solve the problem. Rather than see it as irritating perhaps try to look at it as having in-laws who genuinely love & care for you all. There are people who have in-laws who have no interest or involvement with their adult children or grand children. That to me is far worse than being expected to send a quick text or a call to say you've arrived abroad safely.

TorroFerney · 04/11/2024 13:21

Gul8 · 04/11/2024 10:43

I don't think I'd have any issue at all with "we've landed safe" or anything similar. It's the hotel details being shared and the calling of the hotel when DH clearly just forgot to text her. Again, 2 little kids, flights etc take priority and energy generally on flights.

I was embarrassed when the hotel manager told me in the morning that grandma had called and that she was worried etc. Because I think we're adults I guess (near 40s!)

Before that point I don't think I realized she had the hotel details of every stay.

Had she been messaging your husband and he’d ignored it hence the hotel call? If not then going straight to calling the hotel is a right drama llama and done for attention. But stop being embarrassed it’s no reflection on you what she does. In fact I’d have no part in it at all, she’s nothing to do with you it’s completely on your husband to deal with.

montelbano · 04/11/2024 13:20

Seems reasonable to let her know the name and tel.no. of the hotel just in case there is an emergency at home and she has been unable to contact you on your phone, but that is all. A text/call to say you have arrived safely should suffice.

Pushmepullu · 04/11/2024 13:16

OP just seen your update, and I’m glad you have realised that this helps mil having this information.

Hoppinggreen · 04/11/2024 13:15

What exactly would she do if you didn't arrive safely?
Fly in? Phone The Embassy?
I did used to send my Mum a quick text when I arrived on holiday but it was not always the same day if we arrived late or something and she wouldn't have phoned the hotel (or even knew which hotel it was).
She is being over the top but its for your H to deal with

Finallybreathingout · 04/11/2024 13:13

My in-laws asked us to put trackers on our phones like SiL has done, ‘so we don’t need to keep texting you to check you’re OK’. We refused. We tell my in-laws as little as possible about our lives as we get pestered for reassurance whenever we do, in the name of their anxiety. Any flight is monitored throughout, any car journey they know about results in a slew of texts to check our ETA or arrival. We try not to feed the beast. It feels very claustrophobic and like they are trying to drag us into their own uncontrolled anxiety.

We will send a basic ‘arrived safely’ message if they know we’re travelling because otherwise we get a series of increasingly anxious texts, WhatsApps and emails until we do.

It’s only part of other difficult behaviour that is anxiety-driven that makes our relationship with them hard work. They are not willing to accept they have disproportionate anxiety at all.

Firstimpressions · 04/11/2024 13:12

People can be extremely blasé about possible family emergencies on either side & so what if phones are unavailable.

Of course those types of things only happen to other people so why bother sharing holiday details 🙄

I am the least interfering mil on the planet. My son & dil voluntarily offer their flight & Hotel details & in turn so do DH & I. We give each other space & would never make contact unless there was an emergency.They would thankfully do the same. As always each to their own.

Pushmepullu · 04/11/2024 13:12

Depends on what you mean by itinerary.
Husband and I give an itinerary to our son. We include accommodation and their numbers. We do a lot of independent travel in Asia and other places where mobile/internet cover is patchy. I would much rather this than if a flight went down and he doesn’t know if we were on it and can’t get hold of us that he worries. I’m not sure why OP, and others, think it’s unreasonable. Surely it’s common sense and doesn’t harm anyone? You sound really unpleasant to your mil, telling her she should manage her anxieties.

Gul8 · 04/11/2024 13:06

Thanks all, it's been really useful to get your different perspectives and experiences on this, which is what I was after.

I do feel for my MIL, both in terms of potential MH/anxieties and that it's her family too that she cares deeply for and don't want to make her MH worse for her. I feel its an overstep on our holidays (to be asked to share details not to do so on his own accord), much like many people here feel too.
I've made it clear to my DH it's very unusual for me and I don't understand it. But for various reasons maybe MIL needs this little thing in her life and I should accept that little thing and move on.

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mitogoshigg · 04/11/2024 13:03

I don't think it hurts to WhatsApp when you have arrived, yes it's not necessary but it is free to do and takes seconds. I also think sending a picture every 2-3 days is fair enough, enough to placate her but not too intrusive (plus it's nice to share photos).

Grmumpy · 04/11/2024 13:01

Good grief..loving mum and now grandmother..I never know or want to know about my family’s holidays other than they usually mention the country. Most odd that your mil is so involved imo.

Firstimpressions · 04/11/2024 12:58

MoreNotLess · 04/11/2024 12:53

@Firstimpressions
"You dont have their phone details. Unbelievable

I've been with my husband for over 45 years. It's never been an issue. I could maybe find out the contact details of his brother if I searched online but I don't have any of their numbers to hand. I've never ever needed them. Why would I?

My husbands Mum genuinely loves me. I'm very nice to her. However, I don't need or want to be more involved than tagging along with my Husband when we visit. He is the same for my family.
It works. Lots of Mums and DILs on Mumsnet seem to be fighting about who has power and who is in control. It seems sad and unhealthy. Look at the OPs situation. Why on earth does she care. If my MIL asked me to provide hotel details I'd shrug ,y shoulders and suggest she asks her son.

Sorry I still don't get this. You never know what's around the corner. If something happened very suddenly to my DH the first thing I would do is call our adult children & at the same time his mother & father. Again though each to their own.

BookishType · 04/11/2024 12:56

She phoned the hotel? That’s borderline insanity.

We give the MiL our flight number as she likes to track on flight radar. We’ll FaceTime at some point (mostly to see our dog!) and that’s it.