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To be absolutely exhausted and think this is just not sustainable night after night?

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BeJollyOrca · 03/11/2024 19:30

Apologies in advance if this is long. For background information, I’m 20 years old, have 2 siblings (twins who are 11. They are autistic) who are in foster care and both parents are in prison for abusing them. They live with foster carers who are about a 5-10 minute drive from where I live, I have a job too.

Since our parents were sentenced in August my siblings have had lots of problems sleeping at night, they keep waking up multiple times a night with nightmares from the abuse they suffered (both in the day and at night) from our parents. These nightmares have only been since they were sentenced but it’s every night without fail at least one of them wakes up with nightmares about our parents. After waking up from a nightmare about it, they don’t settle for their foster carers whatsoever unless I’m there so I’m having to drive to their house in the middle of the night (loads of different times every night, sometimes 1pm sometimes 2pm sometimes 3pm and so on, not the same time every night obviously) every night without fail (every single night without fail) to comfort them as they just won’t go back to sleep for their foster carers unless I’m there.

I don’t mind doing it because I want to help them and they genuinely don’t settle again for their foster carers unless I’m there to comfort them but it’s just become exhausting (for their foster carers too as obviously they are awake at the same time as well as me. None of us had a single night since August where we’ve not been awake in the night over this) and I’m sure how sustainable this is night after night, it’s been every single night without fail since about early August now, will probably be around there in the middle of the night again when they wake up and won’t settle. I feel absolutely exhausted from it every day, I know their foster carers do too so I feel for them as well. I don’t what we can do though because they don’t settle for their foster carers from nightmares unless I’m there, we’ve tried without me there but they keep asking for me and won’t settle from a nightmare unless I’m there. I’m having to sleep with my phone on loud and drive to their house every time I get a call to say they’ve woke up with a nightmare. This is as well as being there every night to say night to them at bedtime and as well as taking them out in the evenings with their foster carers (I don’t mind taking them out with their foster carers though as I enjoy it) and so on. I don’t mind doing it to help them as I know they have a lot of trauma but it’s just exhausting and I don’t think it’s sustainable every single night like this.

AIBU to just be completely exhausted from it and think this is not sustainable night after night?

Also, has anyone got any suggestions for what to do as well? Not sure what we can do though because they don’t settle unless I’m there.

OP posts:
Sn1859 · 03/11/2024 21:02

Has this been mentioned in their therapy at all? You can’t go on like this so it should be mentioned to the social services and they should find a way for the foster parents to deal with this. Maybe one night just say you can’t go and let the foster carers deal with it.
It’s a hard situation to deal with, for all of you.

LittleStar22 · 03/11/2024 21:00

OP, please google EMDR therapy. It is often used for children (& adults) who have experienced trauma.

thestudio · 03/11/2024 21:00

I really don't think you should adopt them OP. You are too young to make this decision - it's almost impossible for you to imagine what you will want from life in, say, ten years time.

Please do listen to those advising you to avoid this. You may well be 'encouraged' towards it as you will solve a problem for the authorities - but it will not be in your best interests - or theirs, necessarily, since you as a family will no longer be eligible for some important things.

You can still be the amazing sibling you so clearly are, without doing this.

Also - do take note of the poster upthread who said that melatonin can cause nightmares.

SoNiceToComeHomeTo · 03/11/2024 20:59

Is it possible for you to spend the nights with your siblings for a few weeks? Maybe on a mattress in their bedroom? It would be less disruptive for everyone and perhaps they would sleep better knowing you are close.
Poor children, how they must be suffering.
Hopefully they will eventually settle down with the foster carers and perhaps there is some way that you can adopt them - but it would be a huge change in your own life.

MolkosTeenageAngst · 03/11/2024 20:59

They will learn to settle it you don’t go, it will be hard and there may be several nights where they are unsettled but the foster carers should be trained to deal with this. If they’re not able to cope with the children when unsettled I would be questioning whether the placement is suitable. Your siblings have learnt that if they have a meltdown in the middle of the night you will come and you need to break this cycle because it is not in anyone’s best interests. The foster carers and you need to agree and be clear with your siblings that you can’t go over in the middle of the night, and the foster carers need to not call you up. Instead of going in the middle of the night maybe arrange to go over early in the morning for when your siblings are getting up (eg: 7am) and be clear that you won’t be turning up before this no matter how unsettled your siblings are, once they realise that you aren’t coming in the middle of the night they will learn to settle and if you are going to be there for 7am you know they are never going to be upset waiting for more than a few hours whilst they’re getting used to it.

NotTerfNorCis · 03/11/2024 20:55

The foster carers shouldn't be putting this on you. What would they do if you weren't able to go?

Ineffable23 · 03/11/2024 20:54

I know you love your siblings, but I would strongly recommend not adopting them.

You may (possibly, not definitely) conclude you wouldn't mind fostering them, but if you adopt them, then the most likely outcome is that the state has then absolved itself of all its responsibilities and it no longer does anything to help.

I think, given the amount of trauma your siblings have suffered, that the best option for them and for you is likely to be that they are cared for by professionals foster carers who have access to respite and that you continue to be an extremely loving, extremely caring and very involved sibling.

LindorDoubleChoc · 03/11/2024 20:53

This can't be right. Your siblings foster parents are phoning you to settle them at night? Who pays the foster parents? you and they should be engaging with them.

ByQuaintAzureWasp · 03/11/2024 20:53

Tohaveandtohold · 03/11/2024 19:41

I would tell siblings when you go and take them to bed that you won’t be coming in the night and tell the foster carers as well and switch your phone off. You can’t be creating a dependency and need your sleep. Then they need therapy and to see the doctor

This.
Hard I know but you can't carry on like this and nor can ghe twins. They are dependant upon you, but it can't go on.

Frith2013 · 03/11/2024 20:52

If you want to foster/adopt them, please go to the adoption board on Mumsnet.

I know that financially it is better to foster (as a relative) but I don't know any more than that. It might be that it is financially viable for you to become a carer for them, with carers allowance, PIP and so on. It might be worth doing some research.

Certainly you shouldn't be having your sleep disturbed every night like that. It is not sustainable.

BraOffPjsOn · 03/11/2024 20:50

DownThePubWithStevieNicks · 03/11/2024 20:27

You sound like an incredible young woman OP. Are you also getting therapy?

It’s worth exploring whether you could be a kinship carer for them. Other posters will know better, but that might be preferable to adoption as I think you’d get financial support and ongoing help from social services.

But it’s also okay if you can’t give over your life for them. It sounds like you feel a huge amount of responsibility, but you are so young and you don’t have to sacrifice yourself because of what your parents did. It’s not your fault.

Yes I was thinking that you’d be better off with this than adoption as financially you’d get the support but also with therapy and respite too.

You’ve done so well but you must have been through a lot too and you’ve got your life to plan so take one step at a time. What do you want from your life now?

lanthanum · 03/11/2024 20:49

I agree with those who suggest that you adopting them is not a good idea. Think how exhausting it is for three of you working with them at the moment - you'd be doing it solo, with nobody to call on to help. You're being a brilliant sibling, and hopefully you can continue being so (but hopefully finding a way for it not to be every night). But at 20, you should be prioritising your own education and career, while the professionals try to help your sisters work through the trauma.

Freeglader · 03/11/2024 20:49

My initial instinct was disappointment in the foster carers. They’re trained and paid professionals, even more so as they’ve been approved to care for multiple children and children with additional needs. As harsh as it sounds, they need to just get on with it. At 20 you are still very young and it’s unfair for them to be leaning on you so heavily. Having you back and forth is drawing out the settling in process for your siblings. Of course you want to be there for them, you sound like a brilliant sister, but it shouldn’t be asked of you in such a way.

In terms of adopting them, being with family isn’t always best in these situations. Whilst they’re in care they have access to so much support that they’ll lose once they’re adopted and it is a long process to reinstate a lot of the support

Autumnismyfavouritetimeofyear · 03/11/2024 20:49

Coming off melatonin to start, weighted blankets, a teddy made out of your clothes for them so you are 'there' with them. Maybe a recording of you telling them they are ok, or reading a story they can listen to going back to sleep.

As others have said, please reconsider your idea of adopting them. Usually I would say to go for it, but with their needs and very respectfully, your age, I think it is a huge burden to take on especially by yourself. Your entire life will be about them, and that is not fair to you. It will also limit the support they get. Staying involved, being an advocate and a consistent loving sister is a massive benefit to them, and will make all the difference in their lives. Please dont wear yourself out to support your sisters.

Jellycatspyjamas · 03/11/2024 20:47

Living with them for a bit sounds the best plan. What a great sister.

Only if the OP is likely to take over their care full time in the near future. The problem with being there daily, and twice/three times daily is that the foster carers really need to be providing day to day care including overnight. It’s what they’re trained and paid to do and the longer the OP is filling in the gaps, the more hidden the kids needs become. The short term kindness masks the longer term impact on everyone concerned.

@BeJollyOrca how long have they been with these carers and what was it like before?

JustCosy · 03/11/2024 20:45

This is so sad, for all of you 😔 and you sound mature beyond your years.

The twins should be with you at night, is there any situation where you are their carer at night and foster carers take over during the day?

Whilst ultimately not your responsibility, they are your siblings, and you are their guardian (from their perspective).

I think you adopting them would be the best decision all round, they won't be young forever, but you'll still be young when they've grown.

Musicofthespiers · 03/11/2024 20:44

I'm sorry OP, this sounds like such a difficult situation. My first thought was, for now, could you perhaps stay overnight with them. Not sure how practical this would be, or how this could be changed in the future. The current set up clearly isn't working for any of you. You are such a wonderful sibling to them.

WearyAuldWumman · 03/11/2024 20:44

LetsChaseTrees · 03/11/2024 19:40

OP this is one of those “put your own oxygen mask on first” moments. You cannot keep doing this. How about switching to being available every other night at first, that means you still feel you’re helping, but you get some sleep too.

On medication - melatonin is sometimes prescribed for autistic children with long term sleep issues (it can be bought in shops in other countries, assuming you’re in the UK it’s prescription only).

Do you know what other support the foster carers have sought for this?

Yes, my cousin's son was prescribed Melatonin as a child. (ASD and ADHD.)

Sagedragon · 03/11/2024 20:43

BeJollyOrca · 03/11/2024 19:35

They are in therapy at the moment. Not sure about living with them, it’s not something we’ve discussed actually to be honest but it’s a good suggestion so I might raise it.

I agree with those saying they need medication. My son has ASD amongst other things, and takes 2 medications currently for sleep, Circadin and Slenyto.
You are totally correct that this is unsustainable for you, exhaustion is incredibly dangerous.

Jellycatspyjamas · 03/11/2024 20:43

I know a SW I'm assuming she's on this thread?

I am indeed here @outandunder

Tiredofallthis101 · 03/11/2024 20:43

Living with them for a bit sounds the best plan. What a great sister.

outandunder · 03/11/2024 20:40

Cross-thread, sorry!

cannynotsay · 03/11/2024 20:39

Oh sweetie what you're doing is amazing, but look after yourself first too xxx

outandunder · 03/11/2024 20:39

You are twenty sweetheart. You need to live your life and be a sibling not a parent . The foster carers need to do their job and reach out for professional help not enlist you every night.
You should be there for the fun times and spending lovely times together but the twins need to learn to self regulate without you there.
I'm not sure that you should adopt your siblings, I'm not sure you can unless a judge decides they should be adopted (I've adopted) but that's for another day.
I'm not sure how this should be achieved but I'm glad you posted on here, you sound wonderful and I hope you have a wonderful future ahead of you.
I know @Jellycatspyjamas is a SW I'm assuming she's on this thread?

2024onwardsandup · 03/11/2024 20:38

Can you just sleep at the fostered?