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Boots security accusation.

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Startyabastard · 03/11/2024 13:34

I live in a major city and I very regularly go to Boots inside a shopping centre. Sometimes I have a big shopping trolley that I push (relevant because when I 'complained' that security followed me to a neighbour they said that it was a method that shoplifters use and security are aware that they do this) but there are also many times when I don't use it.
Anyway: I am a hoarder and I have adhd, so I can be a bit eager with products, but I always display them clearly in my hands and go to pay at the checkout. I prefer the manned checkout rather than the self check out for the exact fear of being accused of shop lifting, but sometimes the staff direct me to the self check out and I pay there.
Sometimes I forget my receipt, but I am always happy to go back and get it/prove which self check out/manned check out I have been on. One of the staff asked me which self check out I had used when the security alarm went off when I was exiting the store and he showed me how he could prove the last purchase on the particular till.
I don't always wait for the receipt or if I do, it I accidentally take the No.7 voucher 10% off print out instead. Sometimes I also have the receipt.
The lip glosses randomly have those stuck on security tags and they often beep when I walk out. After payment, I openly ask staff to remove them.

Last time I went to the Boots that i most regularly go to and the one where the security commonly beeps when I exit with my most bought product lip gloss (not sure if relevant), I was in the middle of the shop going to buy exactly that and security was watching me very, very closely and hinting to the other security guard to come closer to me.
I didn't want to be dictated to by them (or appear 'guilty' by quickly exiting the shop), but the more serious security guard 'edged' me out.
They did not 'accuse' me or even talk to me, but they both towered over me and got so close as that I felt I had to leave the shop. One of them (can't remember about the other) was security with a high vis vest and walkie talkie. I wasn't taken to the back of the shop or asked not to come back again, neither did other staff do anything to help.
Most of my purchases would be able to be seen on my Boots advantage card, but there was a time when I didn't have one because they stopped working due to not being registered online.
However, they do also have CCTV, which I am guessing they haven't consulted.
When I have been stopped by a security guard before, because the product still had the tag on and it made the alarms go off, he asked me for my receipt. I didn't have it on me, but he said it was fine to leave the shop. I went 'above this' because I have paranoia about this exact thing happen and I told him I could go and get someone to prove it. He said it didn't matter, but if I insisted, I could show him my online banking purchase and I did. I said I was paranoid about being thought of a shoplifter and he said that if I was one, I wouldn't have taken the time to show him.
After this, on another day, this I incident happened.

I have consulted two staff members from two other Boots stores, one being a manager and they didn't think it was appropriate that security behaved in this manner. One of the staff suggested to me that I call/email the customer care line.
I will probably complete this, but I don't know if they will be thorough/able to find the records of me paying etc.
I could go back to the shop where the incident happened and talk to the manager as the other manager of the other Boots advised, but I suspect that I might be edged out again and hence unable to find the manager.
Thanks for reading.

OP posts:
GhostCicada · 03/11/2024 15:02

TheShellBeach · 03/11/2024 14:57

Weird, isn't it, that she needs to buy lip gloss so often?

She clearly just wants to buy lip gloss a lot, that isn't a crime. Some people have enormous amount of cosmetics, some people have enormous amounts of lego, some people books. It's whatever floats the ops boat really.

oakleaffy · 03/11/2024 15:01

WearyAuldWumman · 03/11/2024 14:54

Yes, but I'd say that the OP has a genuine entitlement to a sunflower lanyard.

I'm in my 60s. I was diagnosed with OCD in my mid thirties. Last year, it was suggested that I have ASD and ADHD.

I'm not surprised - a younger relative has Asperger's - as it was then termed - and it's fairly clear that many in my mum's side of the family have traits of ASD.

I've worked with secondary school pupils with ASD and I recall speaking to one lad and having the revelation that it was like looking at a male version of myself at the same age. I'm pretty good at "masking" at work, but less so in social situations.

I recall my mum telling me off for looking "suspicious" when I was shopping in Woolie's and Boot's. Mind you, I think that part of that was the fact that I was a teen...From what the OP has said, her problem is much worse than mine. I really do think that a lanyard might help to an extent.

Woolies was famous for kids stealing the pick and mix!

I think people get annoyed with the trotting out of “ I have ( insert acronym here) “ thinking it should be an excuse.

This has become a lot more common, ( to use as mitigation) but lets down others who take responsibility for their actions.

Once I had a Tesco Express security guard ask me to pull my scarf ( a snood) down - it was snowing and I said “ I’m not going to steal your meal deal for goodness sakes- target 🎯 the guys after booze!”

I felt he thought I was an easy target to ask as a woman and less likely to be aggressive (?)

I was annoyed.

However this was before the shoplifting epidemic.

Barney16 · 03/11/2024 15:01

A shopping trolley like a supermarket trolley or one of those trolleys on wheels, a sort of bag on wheels? As pp have said wouldn't it be easier to just put your things in a basket and then when you pay get a receipt? Why make things more complicated for yourself?

Mumandcarer80 · 03/11/2024 15:00

OP I had a jobs worth woman watching me. Because I had put 1 bottle of E45 suncream in my basket. One of my autistic children decided to clear the shelf of all the bottles of sun. My other autistic child made a run for it out the door. So of course I dropped my basket and ran after him. Turned round and said their autistic kids not fucking shop lifter's. Old bag she was I often see her on the bus years later.

GhostCicada · 03/11/2024 14:59

I think next time you go into the shop you should just go straight to the nearest checkout and ask to speak to a manager about what happened. Stride with purpose and I can't see how you would be able to be herded out.

I'm a quiet person so I can kind of understand where you were coming from not saying anything at the time but there are occasions when you need to try your best to speak up and I think when you are being heeded out of a shop like an animal is one of those times.

You seem to be an over thinker and are over analyising your past times there, you might act oddly but thats OK, it isn't a crime to be a little bit odd. You know that you haven't done anything wrong so just march in and ask to speak to the manager about what happened. Don't mention all of the background that you have here, that just confuses things, mention that you are a regular customer if you like but all of the sometimes I get a receipt, sometimes I don't etc is irrelevant, you are a regular paying customer that's all they need to know.

BreatheAndFocus · 03/11/2024 14:57

Startyabastard · 03/11/2024 13:55

I need to go to other shops to buy other things, hence the trolley!
It makes shopping easier, who'd have thought it?! They are invented for that reason!
I don't want a basket because I know it's a psychological trick to make you buy more.

No, it’s not. In a supermarket maybe but not when you’re shopping for lip gloss and mascara and the like!

I can understand why you were upset by this, but really you’ve answered your own question. They’re following you because you’re not using a basket and have a large trolley with you that you could ‘accidently’ drop things into! The fact that you’re not planning to steal anything is irrelevant.

Use a basket, put the trolley obviously behind/beside you so it’s clear it’s not relevant to your Boots visit and just has stuff from other shops in, and act naturally, going to the products you want and browsing and picking them up in a calm, measured manner to examine them, before putting the one(s) you want into your basket.

The fact you’re so worried about being accused of shoplifting that you prefer the manned till rather than self-service so you can’t be accused of stealing is very strange, as is your attitude to the receipts. You must subconsciously know that your behaviour looks dodgy because otherwise you wouldn’t worry about being accused of stealing.

TheShellBeach · 03/11/2024 14:57

Mumandcarer80 · 03/11/2024 14:55

No that was another time she was shopping in there. Not the most recent time which was last week.

Weird, isn't it, that she needs to buy lip gloss so often?

Nothatgingerpirate · 03/11/2024 14:57

LIZS · 03/11/2024 13:44

What is your query? Theft via self checkouts is huge. Small items such as lipglosses can be easily hidden in pockets etc. What do you suggest as an alternative to challenging alarms and spot checking receipts?

Did the public ask for self checkouts?
Personally, although convenient, I don't like the dynamics around them.
Where I come from, it's actually illegal to look into your bag as a quick check-up and whatever, unless a police officer is present.

WonderingWanda · 03/11/2024 14:56

Startyabastard · 03/11/2024 13:46

They surrounded you and actually walked in a way that force you to walk as well until they got you out of the shop? Without anyone saying a word?
Yep.

Why didn't you just say "excuse me please" and then go over to the part of the shop you wanted to go to? Your whole post is really odd. It's perfectly normal to show your reciept when something in your bag has set off the alarms, that is an absolute non event. I can't work out whether you have some serious anxiety which is leading you to imagine all this or you are intact actually a shoplifter.

Mumandcarer80 · 03/11/2024 14:55

Scutterbug · 03/11/2024 13:37

I’m a bit confused by your post. So were you stopped as you exited and accused of shoplifting? Then you showed your internet banking as proof of purchase? And then they let you go?

No that was another time she was shopping in there. Not the most recent time which was last week.

WearyAuldWumman · 03/11/2024 14:54

oakleaffy · 03/11/2024 14:47

Now every shoplifter will get ☝️ one!
🌻
They are open for anyone to get.

Yes, but I'd say that the OP has a genuine entitlement to a sunflower lanyard.

I'm in my 60s. I was diagnosed with OCD in my mid thirties. Last year, it was suggested that I have ASD and ADHD.

I'm not surprised - a younger relative has Asperger's - as it was then termed - and it's fairly clear that many in my mum's side of the family have traits of ASD.

I've worked with secondary school pupils with ASD and I recall speaking to one lad and having the revelation that it was like looking at a male version of myself at the same age. I'm pretty good at "masking" at work, but less so in social situations.

I recall my mum telling me off for looking "suspicious" when I was shopping in Woolie's and Boot's. Mind you, I think that part of that was the fact that I was a teen...From what the OP has said, her problem is much worse than mine. I really do think that a lanyard might help to an extent.

NonStopMoaning · 03/11/2024 14:53

I agree with all of the above @Startyabastard

  1. Wear a sunflower lanyard
  2. Take a basket (you know it might be a way to get you to buy more, so you're aware of that, so don't put more in it than you intend)
  3. Stop talking randomly to staff
  4. Always take a receipt. If you're directed to self-service by a staff member, use your sunflower lanyard to ask a staff member to help you (and to remind you to take the receipt).
  5. Consider shopping without the trolley.

I imagine you are being targetted by security which makes you try to act like a regular shopper but your mannerisms aren't quite right so you look more suspicious.

You can't do much about your mannerisms so you're going to need to change the other things you have more control over.

Zippedydodah · 03/11/2024 14:53

Startyabastard · 03/11/2024 14:00

They didn't. They 'edged' me out of threshop, towering over me.

If you’re looking decidedly dodgy what else do you expect them to do 🤷🏼‍♀️
They’re doing their job to protect the store and staff from shop lifters so stop behaving like you’re one ffs!
I take a wheeled shopper with me and I have never been stopped or even followed by store security.

Schoolchoicesucks · 03/11/2024 14:52

You haven't previously been accused of shoplifting, taken to a manager office, escorted out of the shop. You have been asked for proof of purchase. Which you sometimes have and other times haven't but the security have been satisfied that you have paid.
So you are a legitimate customer who is fully entitled to browse and shop in the store.
Security are suspicious of you because you have a shopping trolley and are excited about browsing and checking out all the products. It is their job to watch you, and potentially make sure you know they are watching you so that if you were a shoplifter this would deter you.
They are employed by the store. The store wants you to buy things. If you feel that security are threatening you (towering over you and herding you out of the shop) then you are fully entitled to say loudly "excuse me, I need to get past you to the lip glosses I want to look at". If you are a regular and you frequently comment on the products to staff then I would expect some of the staff recognise you. You can ask a staff member for help or advice on the products - you can ask the security guard to point out a staff member as you would like some help choosing.
Allowing yourself to be pushed out of the shop does make it seem as though you are accepting and confirming their suspicions of you.
Do you perhaps like the drama of "forgetting" to collect your receipt and then being able to prove you haven't done anything wrong?

DearRussell · 03/11/2024 14:50

I take a shopping trolley everywhere too and I always hope I don’t look dodgy but honestly my back can’t cope with the carrying I need to do. I haven’t ever been accused thank goodness.

op it sounds like they think you are stealing but they haven’t actually accused you. I think if I were you I would go to a different boots. You are allowed to enjoy the shopping experience but just take a basket and make sure you take your receipt. Get staff to deactivate the tags at the time of purchase. I don’t think there’s another way round this

Trobealone · 03/11/2024 14:49

@Startyabastard

Definitely read up about the sunflower lanyard scheme.

I’m sorry about some of the responses you’ve had here.

I don’t think people should be making judgements about your behaviours, motives or whether you use a trolley or choose not to use a basket.

Shopping should be an inclusive experience for you in Boots - or any store.

Boots have info on their website about inclusivity, and I’m sure most other major stores would have the same.

I really think the sunflower lanyard could work well for you.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hidden_Disabilities_Sunflower

Hidden Disabilities Sunflower - Wikipedia

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hidden_Disabilities_Sunflower

oakleaffy · 03/11/2024 14:47

WearyAuldWumman · 03/11/2024 14:42

The lanyard is a very good idea.

Now every shoplifter will get ☝️ one!
🌻
They are open for anyone to get.

Lavenderfarmcottage · 03/11/2024 14:45

Sweets, it sounds like you have some anxiety from your post and that you’re over analysing what has happened. I think the deeper issue is that you need to focus on your anxiety and to slow down in your daily life xoxo

SallyForf · 03/11/2024 14:45

If you KNOW it is a psychological trick to get people to buy more, then the trick doesn't work, surely? So you can use a basket with a sense of superiority, and a haughty smile because those dastardly wiles won't work on you, hah, etc.

HazelSquid · 03/11/2024 14:43

I think there are a lot of young people on here that think OP is pushing a supermarket trolley round boots. I am certain she is using a trolley like the old tartan ones nans used to use.

OP the security guards weren’t towering over you as intimidation they just happened to be taller than you. They probably were trying to guide you out of the store if you were acting suspiciously and watching them (most people don’t think about security guards when they are shopping) and you made yourself look more suspicious by leaving - the best option would have been to carry on, saying excuse me I need to get to the lip gloss.

Do you have a friend who can go shopping with you and show you how people usually behave when shopping?

oakleaffy · 03/11/2024 14:43

HalloweenHaribo · 03/11/2024 14:34

I'm laughing at 'towering over me'.

What are they supposed to do if they're tall, kneel down? 🤣🤣

Either way OP, this thread is all very 'ME, ME, ME. I want/I don't want' etc.

Either learn to change your shopping style to help yourself, or you'll have to put up with it.

It’s a bizarre post.
Baskets aren’t there to make one buy more.

Cosmetics are small, high value items and probably stolen a lot.

As to “OP not having much as a child”
Many many thousand of children go without, but don’t steal or get accused of stealing as adults.

TheShellBeach · 03/11/2024 14:43

Lifeomars · 03/11/2024 14:34

I'm struggling to undestand what exactly has happened here

So am I.

There was no conversation, the OP was not detained or arrested, but she thought she'd start an incomprehensible thread about this non-event.

Are you this dramatic always @Startyabastard?

And for the record, I buy two lip glosses a year, on average.

Why are you in Boots getting so many lip glosses every week? That's just weird.

MoveToParis · 03/11/2024 14:42

It seems Boots prefer to treat all their customers as thieves and in doing so lose their business.

It’s really simple. What reaction do they expect? I have no idea why they aren’t publicly and regularly held to account on this.
If you treat your customers like shoplifters then you cannot expect their custom… especially when shop lifters are allowed to just run out of the store.

WearyAuldWumman · 03/11/2024 14:42

Trobealone · 03/11/2024 14:36

@Startyabastard

“In-store shopping
Boots has trained Dementia Friends in most of their stores, and their store teams are trained in the Sunflower lanyard scheme. This scheme allows people with hidden disabilities to discreetly indicate that they may need extra support.”

Perhaps you could show a lanyard or have a discreet word before you shop in the store next time.

The lanyard is a very good idea.

fridaynight1 · 03/11/2024 14:42

I don't want a basket because I know it's a psychological trick to make you buy more.

It really isn't. @Startyabastard you are seriously overthinking this.

I'm not surprised security were watching you - from your posts
you were clearly watching them!

I don't blame them for keeping any eye on you, the way you were behaving was bound to raise their suspicions. Anyone would think you wanted them to accuse you.

Getting stopped when the bleeper goes off is just part and parcel of shopping these days and I imagine most people have been stopped at some time or other.

Next time, make sure you remember to get a receipt and have it to hand. It's no big deal, bleepers go off all the time. Just show them a receipt, go on your merry way and stop the drama.

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