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Startyabastard · 03/11/2024 13:34

I live in a major city and I very regularly go to Boots inside a shopping centre. Sometimes I have a big shopping trolley that I push (relevant because when I 'complained' that security followed me to a neighbour they said that it was a method that shoplifters use and security are aware that they do this) but there are also many times when I don't use it.
Anyway: I am a hoarder and I have adhd, so I can be a bit eager with products, but I always display them clearly in my hands and go to pay at the checkout. I prefer the manned checkout rather than the self check out for the exact fear of being accused of shop lifting, but sometimes the staff direct me to the self check out and I pay there.
Sometimes I forget my receipt, but I am always happy to go back and get it/prove which self check out/manned check out I have been on. One of the staff asked me which self check out I had used when the security alarm went off when I was exiting the store and he showed me how he could prove the last purchase on the particular till.
I don't always wait for the receipt or if I do, it I accidentally take the No.7 voucher 10% off print out instead. Sometimes I also have the receipt.
The lip glosses randomly have those stuck on security tags and they often beep when I walk out. After payment, I openly ask staff to remove them.

Last time I went to the Boots that i most regularly go to and the one where the security commonly beeps when I exit with my most bought product lip gloss (not sure if relevant), I was in the middle of the shop going to buy exactly that and security was watching me very, very closely and hinting to the other security guard to come closer to me.
I didn't want to be dictated to by them (or appear 'guilty' by quickly exiting the shop), but the more serious security guard 'edged' me out.
They did not 'accuse' me or even talk to me, but they both towered over me and got so close as that I felt I had to leave the shop. One of them (can't remember about the other) was security with a high vis vest and walkie talkie. I wasn't taken to the back of the shop or asked not to come back again, neither did other staff do anything to help.
Most of my purchases would be able to be seen on my Boots advantage card, but there was a time when I didn't have one because they stopped working due to not being registered online.
However, they do also have CCTV, which I am guessing they haven't consulted.
When I have been stopped by a security guard before, because the product still had the tag on and it made the alarms go off, he asked me for my receipt. I didn't have it on me, but he said it was fine to leave the shop. I went 'above this' because I have paranoia about this exact thing happen and I told him I could go and get someone to prove it. He said it didn't matter, but if I insisted, I could show him my online banking purchase and I did. I said I was paranoid about being thought of a shoplifter and he said that if I was one, I wouldn't have taken the time to show him.
After this, on another day, this I incident happened.

I have consulted two staff members from two other Boots stores, one being a manager and they didn't think it was appropriate that security behaved in this manner. One of the staff suggested to me that I call/email the customer care line.
I will probably complete this, but I don't know if they will be thorough/able to find the records of me paying etc.
I could go back to the shop where the incident happened and talk to the manager as the other manager of the other Boots advised, but I suspect that I might be edged out again and hence unable to find the manager.
Thanks for reading.

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MusicMakesItAllBetter · 11/11/2024 10:20

HundredMilesAnHour · 03/11/2024 13:40

This all sounds like unnecessary drama and that your behaviour is somewhat dodgy OP. What does "can be a bit eager with products" mean??

Just take the receipt and keep it with your purchases until you've left the shop. Simples.

No idea what ADHD has to do with it but it gets very tiresome that people keep using being ND as an excuse. You're doing those of us who are ND no favours.

Bit harsh mate

MyKookyUmberTraybake · 06/11/2024 07:52

Shoplifting is out of control.

You act what could be perceived as suspiciously, frequently in the same shop and decided to leave when staff paid attention to you. Which isn't going to look not suspicious is it?

It's a non-event, no-one did anything or said anything to you.

You already know how your behaviour can look suspicious so either stop doing it or stop shopping there if you're going to complain that staff pay attention to you.

Serencwtch · 06/11/2024 07:38

Mumandcarer80 · 05/11/2024 22:36

Well she also used to put loads of tins of dog food in the trolley in Aldi. Only Aldi and we never even had a dog. Never had anyone spying on us.

Why would they spy on you for putting items in the trolley?

Our security team are mainly plain clothes & blend in with other shoppers so you would be unaware of them anyway.

Like I said there are 'red flag' behaviours which security are trained to spot. Kids putting stuff in trolleys is not one of them, having a disabled DC is also not one of them. Security would not be following someone because they have a child. It just means if there are red flags & there is also a child they cannot ignore & if a theft does take place they have to escalate to police to safeguard the child.

Would you want security staff & police to turn a blind eye if there was evidence that someone was exploiting a child or vulnerable adult in order to steal.
Many of these people will be stealing to order for organized criminal gangs with money going on to fund other serious crimes. These gangs do not care who they exploit.

Mumandcarer80 · 05/11/2024 22:36

Serencwtch · 05/11/2024 18:14

We just follow the advice of the police & profit protection teams. If someone is displaying 'red flags' for shoplifting & there is a child or vulnerable adult involved we have to observe & report. That doesn't mean having a disabled child is the 'red flag' it would be other behaviours but having a child would mean we couldn't ignore it.

You would be surprised how many shoplifters exploit their children or disabled people.

Well she also used to put loads of tins of dog food in the trolley in Aldi. Only Aldi and we never even had a dog. Never had anyone spying on us.

Serencwtch · 05/11/2024 18:14

Mumandcarer80 · 05/11/2024 12:56

I'll picture the scene 2 children non verbal ASD and ADHD around 3 and 6. The youngest in a SN buggy that he used to escape out of. The oldest on reins. I might as well be instructing aliens to shoplift.

We just follow the advice of the police & profit protection teams. If someone is displaying 'red flags' for shoplifting & there is a child or vulnerable adult involved we have to observe & report. That doesn't mean having a disabled child is the 'red flag' it would be other behaviours but having a child would mean we couldn't ignore it.

You would be surprised how many shoplifters exploit their children or disabled people.

Novaavon · 05/11/2024 13:02

I think you're overreacting. The alarm went off when I left Boots yesterday after buying an eye pencil as there was a small tag on it. I paid at the self service tills and didn't notice. The security guard was fine about it although I didn't have a receipt and took the tag off.

I think Boots need to address the issue though. If they're going to tag items they need to have someone at the self service tills keeping an eye out for tags and removing them.

Mumandcarer80 · 05/11/2024 12:56

Serencwtch · 05/11/2024 07:50

Where I work we have been told by police and company profit protection team to never ignore 'red flag' behaviour for shoplifting where a child or vulnerable adult is present as it's a safeguarding concern. We always report these even if low value theft.

It's quite common for someone to use a child or vulnerable adult especially a push chair or wheelchair when shoplifting.

I'll picture the scene 2 children non verbal ASD and ADHD around 3 and 6. The youngest in a SN buggy that he used to escape out of. The oldest on reins. I might as well be instructing aliens to shoplift.

Goodtogossip · 05/11/2024 11:03

If they didn't speak to you why didn't you just politely ask 'Can I help you?' when they got close to you. This would have given them the chance to explain why they were there & gave you the opportunity to explain what you were wanting to look at & maybe buy.

Serencwtch · 05/11/2024 07:50

Mumandcarer80 · 03/11/2024 18:15

I put 1 bottle in my DD put the rest of the bottles in my basket. I removed them put them back on the shelf and told her no. Woman was kneeling down a few feet from us pretending to be doing something but was obviously spying on us.

My son struggles with eye contact hates anyone staring at him as she was at his eye level he ran out the shop. I returned said what I said purchased the sun cream as I couldn't get it anywhere else for DS eczema and left. And I don't give a fuck they shouldn't assume if someone is behaving out of the ordinary their a fecking shop lifter.

Yeah I know their just doing their job. I do usually cooperate when a tag is left on etc. But the way she was there staring at us when there was CCTV pics all the time. Of people in the local paper walking out with hundreds of pounds of products including expensive electrical items all the time. Maybe if she had picked on them and not a parent with two obviously disabled children it really did piss me off then they those thefts could have been prevented.

Where I work we have been told by police and company profit protection team to never ignore 'red flag' behaviour for shoplifting where a child or vulnerable adult is present as it's a safeguarding concern. We always report these even if low value theft.

It's quite common for someone to use a child or vulnerable adult especially a push chair or wheelchair when shoplifting.

Serencwtch · 05/11/2024 07:42

If you can manage your ADHD enough to choose the make up products you can manage to get a receipt when you pay. Show the receipt to the guard & problem solved.

Shoplifting is a huge problem & shops need to prevent it. There are 'red flags' in people's behaviour that security will pick up on & it sounds like you do display some of these even if they are unintentional. The guards can't do anything if you genuinely pay & keep a receipt.

Just get a receipt!

Bugbabe1970 · 05/11/2024 07:32

Get your receipt!

Viviennemary · 05/11/2024 05:50

You are obviously behaving in a way that is arousing the suspicion of the security people. You need to think about this and modify your shopping behaviour accordingly. That would be my advice.

AnnoyedAsAllHeck · 05/11/2024 05:37

Startyabastard · 03/11/2024 13:48

I enjoy going to this shop and and I don't want to spend £25 on cheap lip gloss. I also want to know the shade names and look at them in person.
I don't want to 'resign' into avoiding the shop.
I've never stolen and I'm polite.

Then remember to take the dang receipt with you when you are finished checking out. You are creating problems when the solution is simple.

Mama2many73 · 04/11/2024 22:36

I've regularly shopped, bought and left the shop with the alarm then beeping, security has come over and spoken to me. I never feel that I've done anything wrong because I know I haven't stolen anything.
My dh a lovely respectable head teacher used to get 'eyed' and followed by security in several high street shops. 6ft 2 with a shaved head and jeans and hoodie outfit. It became a game for us if I'm honest!
Op noone has accused you of stealing, nothing was said to you on the 2 guard incident and I really think you are over thinking it and allowing your anxiety to 'spook' you .
If you feel strongly enough about it, ask to speak, calmly, to the manager, ask if there's an issue, explain how you felt intimidated etc.
But at the end if the day, pay and get a receipt. I always get a receipt especially from the self service check out and if there's an issue I let a staff member know.

TheMauveBeaker · 04/11/2024 22:08

i think you’re making a mountain out of a molehill. Use a basket next time. If you’re aware that a basket is a “psychological trick to make you buy more”, then you won’t fall for it, will you?

Lyraloo · 04/11/2024 19:50

Startyabastard · 03/11/2024 13:43

'Not sure anyone has done anything wrong here.'
They refused to allow me to remain in the shop. I hadn't made a purchase that day but was going to.

The machines/staff serving don't always give a receipt but you can ask for one.

But you said they didn’t speak to you, so how did they refuse to let you remain in the shop?

WearyAuldWumman · 04/11/2024 19:21

CarpetShampoo · 03/11/2024 23:34

I always get a receipt. It is proof of payment. I think it is necessary these days.

I make a point of taking my receipt whenever I'm in the local Morrison's. Was once stopped by a newish security chap just after I'd paid at the checkout.

He claimed he'd seen me walking out of the drinks section. (No, he hadn't.)

I let him check my bag of shopping in public, against my receipt. He looked at my bottle of lemonade and went bright red - he obviously thought I'd nicked a bottle of vodka.

He did apologise. I told him it was fine, though I was a tad annoyed.

DoreenonTill8 · 04/11/2024 19:17

Now now @QuintessentialDragon enough with being rational now!! 😆

Insertcreativenamehere · 04/11/2024 18:03

The security guards get to know faces of suspects or people with suspicious behaviours

Laura95167 · 04/11/2024 17:59

Order online for click and collect?

Insertcreativenamehere · 04/11/2024 17:57

I stopped reading halfway through but you do sound guilty. Maybe once in a blue moon will an alarm go off when leaving a store. Sounds like a it’s happening a bit too often to be an innocent coincidence for you.

MoonWoman69 · 04/11/2024 17:49

I have no clue what this post is about... Is there a point to it?

CarpetShampoo · 03/11/2024 23:34

I always get a receipt. It is proof of payment. I think it is necessary these days.

QuintessentialDragon · 03/11/2024 22:27

TheLightSideOfTheMoon · 03/11/2024 16:37

Another telltale sign of a shoplifter is not having a receipt.

Huh? I never pick up receipts in supermarkets and places like Boots. Why would I? What should I do with it? I never stole anything from any of these places either.

As for OP's situation, why are people so meek and scared of everything nowadays? Similar situation happened to me once. Went to Morrisons to pick up some foodstuffs and other bits. Wasn't 'acting shifty' or looking for security, just minding my business. Clocked a security guard after a while, sort of following me and standing behind me. Turned around and asked: excuse me, can I help you with something? End of story. He left.

And I can perfectly well understand why I was followed. I went there after a long day of helping my friend to move flats. Cleaning, packing, carrying boxes. I was wearing a tracksuit way past it's best and dirty from all dusting/cleaning/carrying, I was tired, hair in a bun, face sweaty. Had a backpack with me (on my back). Probably looked a right state. So don't blame the guy. But I didn't come to steal anything, so wasn't embarrassed, intimidated or outraged. He was just doing his job.

Mumandcarer80 · 03/11/2024 18:38

purplebeansprouts · 03/11/2024 18:20

People with disabled kids nick stuff too

Well yeah obviously I remember the mum that got her child to shoplift from his buggy. They were actually living in extreme poverty.

But what did she think I was going to do with all that sun cream? It's not like I could leg it with them. Both have epilepsy as well. I've never stolen anything in my life. Nothing about their behaviour was suspicious.

Strange how when I went in with friends nobody watched me. They just see a young mum and think shoplifter that's the jist of it. Our local Boots actually closed over a year ago. A lot of local mums actually said they felt uncomfortable going in. Even though the shoplifters on the CCTV stills were mostly young men.