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To be annoyed I’m not in partners will????

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YourRealBiscuit · 03/11/2024 08:23

Backstory
we’ve been together almost 14 years. We’ve got children. Not married. His house we have lived in. He’s 60 I’m 50.

Am I being unreasonable that I’m annoyed now he’s doing his will his intention is to leave everything to the kids?
We have a decade age gap and I can’t help wondering what would happen to me of he died before me?
he sees it as his stuff so he leaves to who he wants to but I think it’s a huge red flag coupled with the fact obviously he’s not popped the question too

feels to me like he doesn’t really see us as an US?

what do you think?

OP posts:
GranPepper · 03/11/2024 17:41

HereForTheFreeLunch · 03/11/2024 16:12

Maybe that is part of his thinking?
Dd should care for him and will therefore have her inheritance. If she doesn't care for him, she loses her inheritance. And then she doesn't deserve it anyway.

OP, you should stay (assuming you still want to) but plan for your future. Buy the flat and pay your mortgage, rent it out and keep it for yourself for later.

DD should care for him or lose her inheritance. DS doesn't have to care for him but gets his inheritance regardless? I was eldest daughter with an older brother, younger sister and brother. My father neglected all but the oldest son. This oldest son did nothing for father but father was expected to give brother free board/free use of car/a place to hold poker parties (this brother is wealthy from overseas jobs). When father got dementia, who did he expect to rush in and care for him - oh, that would be me. I did it at huge costs to me health wise. It is just not on that a daughter's inheritance depends on caring for her parent while the son runs off into the sun with his inheritance unencumbered.

WearyAuldWumman · 03/11/2024 17:40

SoNiceToComeHomeTo · 03/11/2024 17:37

OP is not a spouse, that’s what makes her situation so serious.

Yes, I know. Sorry - my post is not terribly clear. The long-term partner protection in Scotland is what I thought might be of relevance - but I'm now pretty certain that the OP is in England.

Thehouseofmarvels · 03/11/2024 17:38

@TheRealBiscuit What's the reason you are not permitted to live in the house during your lifetime? Why did he rule that out? Surely if he has no plans to upgrade to a younger woman it will not affect him if you stay there when he is dead? Does he worry that you staying in the house will limit his children's financial freedom? Can you get a second or third job, to help get your own place?

SoNiceToComeHomeTo · 03/11/2024 17:37

WearyAuldWumman · 03/11/2024 15:16

I'm assuming that the OP is in England. In Scotland a spouse would definitely have legal rights to inherit - no matter what's in the will. A long-term partner here could possibly also have legal rights.

OP is not a spouse, that’s what makes her situation so serious.

DownThePubWithStevieNicks · 03/11/2024 17:36

SandyY2K · 03/11/2024 17:23

He doesn't want to.

It's very clear that he wants to keep his money to himself.

He didn't marry her and the house is his. She said she felt like a bolt on to him.

This is the reality of having kids, without the protection of marriage.

No, it’s the reality of entering a relationship with a large financial imbalance, and then further disadvantaging yourself by neither working nor agreeing a split of income to make up for not working.

If OP had a home and a career at the start of the relationship, and had kept it going, such that she now had good savings and pension provision, it wouldn’t matter a great deal that she wasn’t married because she’d be able to keep herself now.

The partner is still awful. He should want to, and I think had a moral obligation to, give her a lifetime interest in the house and leave her a significant chunk of cash.

SoNiceToComeHomeTo · 03/11/2024 17:34

WearyAuldWumman · 03/11/2024 16:03

You need your own solicitor. His solicitor is not allowed to advise you, if I understand correctly.

Also you need someone on your side.

Purplewarrior · 03/11/2024 17:30

Well this is going to be an interesting conversation tonight isn’t it?

Stay calm but firm OP.

Purplethursdays123 · 03/11/2024 17:28

It’s a complete falsehood that you get the first hours advice for free generally.

Imagine you are a lawyer and get 6 slots for client appointments a week. You could easily fill those with hour appointments from people who want free advice. Law firms consider them to be loss leaders in that the client needs advice and are coming to test out different approaches by the person they might instruct, rather than the lawyer acting as quasi citizens advice.

We all have bills to pay and we know when we are being pumped for information under false pretences. Please don’t see a lawyer for an hour if you have no intention of using their services.

enkelt2 · 03/11/2024 17:25

Good luck OP. Hope your talk with him goes well.

SandyY2K · 03/11/2024 17:24

YourRealBiscuit · 03/11/2024 09:04

I get what you’re all saying about his proposed will for the kids too. However this house is probably worth £400k and there’s about that in savings and investments that’s without cash in his bank, so I hope that will be okay.
At this point, I know this is bad but I’m slightly more concerned about making sure I’m provided for in some way rather than making sure the kids who definitely will be provided for are done so 100% equally, but it is a conversation to have.

It's clear that you being provided for, is not something he cares about.

GranPepper · 03/11/2024 17:24

MoralOrLegal · 03/11/2024 14:32

An aside; if you have DC, explain this sort of thing to them. I teach PSHE in a school and, although it's not on the lesson plans, when we discuss marriage I am always 100% sure to tell the teen students that marriage is a shortcut to a lot of legal rights. It's absolutely fine to be unmarried, but if you want the same legal protections you'll need to set up various Powers of Attorney, Wills, etc.

If it's not on the lesson plans, why do you think it's your job to exceed what the lesson plans say? I speak as a committed married person but it is not your role to exceed the lesson plan. I'm a Gran now but, as a young mother, I did complain about a teacher "teaching" my child things beyond what they were permitted to. My complaint was upheld. I urge you to stick to your lesson plan. Some of your pupils will likely have unmarried parents you'll be making anxious. A teacher once "taught" me around age 7 people who smoked cut 5 minutes off their life with every cigarette they smoked. After school, despite my mother not being a great mother, I ran home crying thinking she could die any time. I really think you should reflect on the fact some of your pupils will be made anxious by you exceeding your lesson plan by insinuating their unmarried parents are not doing what "you" think they should do.

SandyY2K · 03/11/2024 17:23

RevelryMum · 03/11/2024 08:56

@coffeesaveslives yes but that doesn't mean he can't leave it to her in his will to ensure she is looked after if he dies first ?

He doesn't want to.

It's very clear that he wants to keep his money to himself.

He didn't marry her and the house is his. She said she felt like a bolt on to him.

This is the reality of having kids, without the protection of marriage.

LeavesOnTrees · 03/11/2024 17:19

Good luck for your talk with him tonight.
If it helps, write down the main points you want to address. If he starts being dismissive stay firm and stress this is very important to you.
If he mentions the word grabby, reply that not wanting to be destitute in old age is not grabby.

Regardless of what he says you should still carry out your plan to top up your pension and buy a property.
You are up shit creek but you still have a paddle.

FairyPoppins · 03/11/2024 17:18

OP...if you do manage to have a conversation, I'd be mentioning how disadvantaged your daughter will be in the current set up, if he should need care in the future - any money woild disappear rapidly..., and also question why he hasn't decided to put plans in place to enable you to stay in the house after his death.
Although considering he has made a Will change previously without your knowledge, I wouldn't put it past him to do it again in the future.. you need to look out for yourself, and do what you can whilst you're still able to tolerate living under the same roof as a man who you thought had your back

Uricon2 · 03/11/2024 17:18

I've been thinking about this today @YourRealBiscuit and odder than the strange division between the kids (and that's odd enough), is the fact that you are being written out after previous inclusion. With the sums involved, a 1/3 to you and same each to DC was at least fair, even if not very sensible tax wise. Even a proper clause to allow you to stay in the house for the rest of your life would be something, but cutting you out? Somethings up. His comment about you outliving him " not happening" (when you're 10 years younger) makes me think that he's planning for a future that doesn't include you long term.

I know it's hard and you can't be feeling great but whatever else you do, prioritise your own wellbeing, because he's showing quite the opposite intent. This not how people who love you behave, at all.

DemonicCaveMaggot · 03/11/2024 17:12

Could your partner leave the house in trust for the children but give you the right to live in it for as long as you want? In that way it can't be sold out from under you.

GranPepper · 03/11/2024 17:11

Genevieva · 03/11/2024 15:55

Maybe see the same solicitor separately. They will usually give one free consultation. Express your concerns and your incomprehension and ask for advice. It would obviously be better for you and the kids if you were married and he left everything above the IHT-free threshold to you. Otherwise 40% of that goes to HMRC for no reason. Failing that, ask about reasonable provision given that you are dependent on the house you live in with him. There have been successful cases of wills overturned where financial dependency has been demonstrated and a lack of reasonable provision made.

It is generally against what the legal profession does to advise two people with competing interests. A good Solicitor generally advises you to take advice from a different firm

Yalta · 03/11/2024 17:11

NoisyDenimShaker · 03/11/2024 16:48

This is really weird considering he's leaving everything to your joint children and there isn't a first family. The estate would go to your children eventually anyway, presumably, even if it came to you first. Most couples leave everything to the other one, and then it passes down to the kids. Does he think you would remarry and the estate would go to a new husband? Or does he think you would spend it all? You're a family and he needs to explain his reasons for leaving you out.

I am the daughter in this scenario and dh was the son.

Our respective mothers left us nothing

nam3c4ang3 · 03/11/2024 17:08

So - he wont marry you, and now he's cutting you out?

Yalta · 03/11/2024 17:03

I do understand why he wants to pass his assets to his children. Fil always assumed that dh would get his share of his and mil’s estate when she passed. There was even a percentage for dgc

Dfil died 15 years before mil. Bil wrote out a new will (seen the will online and it is in his handwriting) a week before mil was diagnosed with dementia

Dh got nothing.

I do advise that if you want to give someone something after you have gone then put it in your will. Why would you assume that giving everything to someone else and then expect them to do what you didn’t

You can still look after everyone.

One thing I hope this solicitor advises him is the split between the children is straight down the middle for everything

It has to be asked, if he dies before dc are adults and dd gets money and DS gets the house.

Who is looking after the money for Dd and with a house and no money how will DS pay household bills that occur even if no one actually lives there. Where will that money come from?

Why would you stay living in the house and paying bills for a house you don’t own

I would be asking him these questions? Especially as he has written you out of his will as he thinks you are a “gold digger”

If you were a “gold digger” you must be really bad at it because you have given more than you have got back.

He should look in the mirror to see what a true gold digger looks like

NoisyDenimShaker · 03/11/2024 17:02

houseselling101 · 03/11/2024 14:48

Just ask him why he has changed it to remove you?

Aside from the issue that you were on it and now not - if he owned the house before - seems like you met in his late 40s? - And have paid no mortgage contribution I don't see the issue in willing it to the children. I would have done the same.

Maybe he thinks since you are ten years younger you have a greater chance of meeting someone else - marrying and then willing the house to your new partner. Then the kids would get nothing. It happens all the time. He is protecting your children this way as brutal as it appears to you

Fine, but he needs to make sure there's a provision that she can live in the house for the duration of her lifetime. THEN the children can sell it.

Doingmybest12 · 03/11/2024 17:00

I really think by not providing for you he's leaving his children in a vulnerable position should he die tomorrow or next week. He seems to assume he'll live to a ripe old age having had good health and not needing care of any kind.

GranPepper · 03/11/2024 16:59

YourRealBiscuit · 03/11/2024 14:40

His dad is going to sort his out too, which is why it came up.
I then looked and the appt had been made for earlier in the week then moved so I hadn’t been told about it before.

I don't wish to appear blunt as I am not that kind of person but I am still not understanding how you know what's in his intended Will and I don't understand how you know his appointment has been moved - how were you able to "look and the appt had been made for earlier in the week then moved so I hadn't been told about it before?"

WearyAuldWumman · 03/11/2024 16:58

NoBinturongsHereMate · 03/11/2024 16:51

No, she can't see the same solicitor. They would be conflicted and couldn't use their knowledge of his business to advise on hers.

I think it makes huge sense for me to start saving really aggressively with a view to buy a house.

Yes. OP, sorry you've found yourself in his situation. But as you have, you need to look after your own interests - and fast.

You have a LISA that will just aboit cover a deposit. But you also need to pay stamp duty, conveyancing fees etc. And it's virtually impossible to get a mortgage that runs past state pension age, so you'll need a 15-year mortgage rather than a 20-or 25-year one - which means higher monthly payments. The longer you wait the worse this problem will get.

You say you have £6k in a pension. Is this a defined benefit pension (almost always public sector) or a standard defined contribution type with an invested pot?

If it's the former you're OK. Not a retirement in the lap of luxury, but you should be able to turn the heating on without worrying and have the odd small holiday. If it's the latter, that will give you an income of about £180 a year.

Thank you for saying that about the solicitor. I'm in Scotland, so wasn't sure whether it was the same.

After my husband died, I got an email from my solicitor to say that DH's daughter had phoned to say that her cheque had bounced. (My knees nearly gave way at that - I thought that someone must have accessed the account.)

It turned out that the bank had stopped the cheque because they erroneously thought that I was being defrauded. I sorted it out with a lengthy phone call to the bank customer services department and then asked the solicitor to let the daughter know that she'd get her money within 10 working days.

The solicitor hadn't kept the daughter's phone number because he's not allowed to act for anyone else.

I went in the same day, gave the solicitor's secretary the number and asked that the office phone on my behalf. A bit convoluted, but that was how it had to be done.

YourRealBiscuit · 03/11/2024 16:56

NoBinturongsHereMate · 03/11/2024 16:51

No, she can't see the same solicitor. They would be conflicted and couldn't use their knowledge of his business to advise on hers.

I think it makes huge sense for me to start saving really aggressively with a view to buy a house.

Yes. OP, sorry you've found yourself in his situation. But as you have, you need to look after your own interests - and fast.

You have a LISA that will just aboit cover a deposit. But you also need to pay stamp duty, conveyancing fees etc. And it's virtually impossible to get a mortgage that runs past state pension age, so you'll need a 15-year mortgage rather than a 20-or 25-year one - which means higher monthly payments. The longer you wait the worse this problem will get.

You say you have £6k in a pension. Is this a defined benefit pension (almost always public sector) or a standard defined contribution type with an invested pot?

If it's the former you're OK. Not a retirement in the lap of luxury, but you should be able to turn the heating on without worrying and have the odd small holiday. If it's the latter, that will give you an income of about £180 a year.

I’ve got one standard life private pension and one NEST pension. My plan is to salary sacrifice my annual bonus into my private pension every year and use my monthly money to save up towards the deposit for a house.

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