To understand why some women have children within a a short time with multiple different partners?

Lack of intelligence and common sense
Poor upbringing
General fecklessness
I read something the other day along the lines of 'all young men should have an (easily reversible) vasectomy, and when they have proved they can be responsible and are ready to be, and capable of being fathers, the op can be reversed'. What a lot of misery that would eradicate.

So what do you suggest? Forced Sterilisation? Forced abortion?

No, her children are not her body. They suffer and repeat the cycle. Do you drones ever say anything the Internet or telly box hasn't told you to say?

"21-year-old, at risk of violence, a care leaver herself" it's not that hard to understand why this kind of thing happens. In fact, as she's 21 and her eldest is 4, she would have had her first baby when she was legally a child supposedly in the 'care' of the state. I'm not sure anyone should be pointing the finger of blame at a traumatised child.

What's her excuse? There's just no need, poor kids.

I do need to read the Cass report because I haven't fully absorbed it and have only read highlights. I might understand your point ref the ASD link, if you mean that this population are overwhelmingly represented in the trans population and therefore incredibly vulnerable as a result; particularly children.

I don't have a Candace Owen's issue, but my TV does! My YouTube algorithm was a tad obsessed with the terror and it was getting a bit much deleting and refreshing my search and watch history. At one point it felt like a conspiracy, but luckily, she's gone now. I'm spending more time watching warm and fluffy things on YouTube.

I wouldn't use the term smear really. I don't have an intention or desire to smear anyone. I very much enjoy discussing these topics, as the tone of all my posts will probably demonstrate. It doesn't enrage me but I think it does many.

Some points and references made in your posts have been what I'd call off the wall and I think it's important to just highlight that.

There is a low birth rate altogether and the fear is that there won’t be enough people working to pay the pensions of us 40 somethings. But the low birth rate doesn’t tell the whole story, some are having hardly any children and some are having loads. The trouble is that the ones having loads are generally lower classes and on benefits and these kids might grow up to perpetuate the cycle and won’t be working themselves.
Watch the film Idiocracy, it’s scary

Her body, her choice.

To mug off net contributing taxpayers, while she pops out kids she neither seems to want, nor cares very much about.

Interesting (to me at least) what you say about personality disorders, I was (unknowingly) with someone for 23 years that I now think has a personality disorder. He never learnt from anything. He would repeat the same mistakes over and over, sure that this time the outcome would be different. I think he couldn't believe that he could possibly be wrong. There was never any growth of any sort as he was unable to learn from situations.

It wouldn't surprise me if this is what is going on with the OP's in law. She completely believes every single time that this time will be different, this father will be different. She doesn't have the self awareness or self esteem to be able to see that she is making the same mistakes over and over and to learn from them.

DH has a niece with three DC by three fathers, none of what you say applies. She was privately educated, has a degree and her parents have been married almost forty years. If anything she was the more spoiled of the two DC. No one understands her actions, especially the third DC with the benefit cap on two DC. None of the fathers are active in their lives.

@LeeAnderthal I read that article this morning. I can believe it also having worked in this sector. There really aren't lots of lovely homes available for people who are desperate and in need.

I recall my time working for a Tory Council that will remain nameless. The focus of the homelessness strategy was to force them out the Borough so they didn't spoil the aesthetics. Cue pavement studs next to cash points, bench adaptations and more.

A recent news story

https://news.sky.com/story/where-am-i-going-to-go-with-the-kids-mum-of-three-left-homeless-after-reporting-threats-to-police-13244561

Oh BTW it wasn't YouTube I saw those programs I referenced, they were seen when they first came out on BBC probably a decade or so ago.

I just couldn't imagine the stress of dealing with 6 of them ( the men that is). Guessing the horrors just scarpered.

The conversation lead to this, I spoke about that issue amongst many others.

I never mentioned Candace, you did, that's a YOU issue.

If you read the Cass report you will see the link to ASD.

You were it seemed, rubbishing/trying to smear me and my comment about all the odd beliefs that mental health have/had, along with placing women who were raped and pregnant in institutions.

bit outing by i have a cousin who has 6 kids by 6 men...

The article is interesting and of course concerning. This is about trans ideology from all I'm reading. I don't see the link to the issue we're discussing.

JPs position on this and the discussions I have watched, are so far the only thing I agree with him on.

Once you watch JP online, the algorithms then expose you to more thinkers of the same mindset and it's easy to fall into the vortex. E.g all promiscuous people are psychopaths, then the Andrew Wilson's ' bring back insane asylums' then the Candace Owens ' abortion is murder' and it unravels like this.

I fell into the vortex myself and fortunately saw what YouTube was doing to me 😵‍💫

https://sex-matters.org/posts/updates/wpath-the-truth-about-gender-affirming-healthcare/

Taken together, the files paint a disturbing picture of so-called “gender medicine” as neither evidence-based nor safe. And since the first rule of medicine is to do no harm, it is not medicine.

Here you go. As a left wing poster states earlier in the thread, mental health is political.

The General Medical Council, British Medical Association and Royal College of Psychiatrists all refer to WPATH standards as informing their own.

"Very black and white thinking here overall."

I actually took quite a lot of time to think through the psychopaths stuff, it started with BBC Horizon 'Are you good or evil?', I looked up Jim Fallon and then Dan Snow did something with Amy Drs and one poor conscript said himself after fighting in the war he came out of it like a psychopath. Later Peterson said you become what you do which matched other things I had researched. I may be biased, I have through through from multiple sources and am the type to change my mind if enough new information comes my way. That's not black and white thinking.

"Oh I'm quite fascinated by the history of MH treatment through the ages. I didn't know that ref genital mutilating surgery for Autism"

Yes the BBC health editor apparently is in particular keen to burry it, he is married to a woman who gains financially for the WPATH files or Cass report to be not well know. You can research it yourself.

Oh, and thanks goodness for the welfare state, otherwise I’m not sure what would happen to the 5 kids… though her sis and I have jokes that we should cut out the middle man and just give all our income tax money direct to cousin.

I have a cousin like this, grew up in a loving family, not rich but not poor… other siblings seem fine,
5 kids, 3 dads, doesn’t work, single, lives off benefits… chaotic… and the next man who shows her a bit of attention she’ll probably have his child too.
I don’t get it but that’s just the way she is. The kids are being raised half decently with the help of grandparents and her sister otherwise I’m not sure she would cope.

Probably fair to say a lot of people resent funding a lot of things.

If people felt that they were having a fair run and getting something worthwhile for their endless labour and taxation, then these issues wouldn't ilicit such palpable anger I imagine. People are generally angry I feel.

It's again oversimplifying saying anyone who looks beyond the possibility that people are just low IQ idiots are Bekind or compassion brigade. It's akin to the simplification that homeless people are only either personality disordered or severely depressed.

I think the best idea so far is to further incentivise / fund the CSA to go for the daddies. Why don't they do this I genuinely wonder?

Who hates JP? He comes out with some questionable stuff. Also concerning. Some points I feel valid. I'm sure many others would be in the same category as I.

Very black and white thinking here overall.

Oh I'm quite fascinated by the history of MH treatment through the ages. I didn't know that ref genital mutilating surgery for Autism!

Watched a fascinating doc ref lobotomies recently. The daddy of lobotomies in the USA, Walter Freeman, was at one point driving round in a van providing his lobotomy services. Predominantly women of course. Maybe that would work again? 😬

I think in these situations cultural and religious pressures usually outweigh practicality.

@JasmineTea11 I agree with all of that!!

Nobody has the solution, the left nor right.

I sure as hell resent funding what I deem as personality disordered adults with multiple partners and children, who have never had any hope of funding them themselves.

The only solution suggested though were demands for compassion, by the same sort of people I imagine telling people that an XL bully dog is quite safe.