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To think the royal family should pay proper tax?

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marmaladeandpeanutbutter · 02/11/2024 21:43

I think the RF should pay corporation, capital gain tax and personal tax, like every other family and company.

I was watching the channel 4 Despatches programme tonight, and was so astounded I
rewound and took notes. Yes, I should get out more! But in case you didn't watch it:

◦	£132 million is to be paid by government (ie tax payers )  to the Royal Family in 2025

◦	The RF also have extensive land estates (Duchies of Cornwall and Lancaster). 

◦	How the RF make their millions has been kept secret from us and parliament for centuries

◦	Over 5000 of their undeclared properties were discovered by Channel 4 despatches. 

◦	We pay, for example £1.5  million for Dartmoor prison every year, although it’s empty and not usable because of radon gas. We must also pay for any repairs

◦	The RF say they aren’t funded by the tax payer, but channel 4 says that in fact they are, and that they make many millions from us.

◦	Several state schools have to pay the family rent

◦	The family charge us for training our own troops to defend our country on their land. Despite the King being the head of the armed forces, they are cashing in. They refuse to say how much they charge.  They even charge for use of jetties on their shores, eg from where naval vessels set sail

◦	Even the NHS is  not exempt-they say they are “helping the NHS”  . Yes, but it turns out that it is by renting out land eg at Guys and St Thomases for lucrative amounts. All free of corporation tax, naturally, unlike any other company.

◦	Even some local charities and community groups pay them, all the while the RF is promoting them.: “Millions of pounds in rent”, including for MacMillan and Comic relief, of which the former has earned the RF £22 million. 

◦	They have new mining interests, often at odds with environmental campaigners, with potential risks to land, water and animals . 

◦	Many of the homes they rent out are amongst the lowest 14% in the uk in  terms of condition eg mould, cracks, no insulation. They say it “may not be feasible” to comply with UK environmental legislation, even though all other landlords must.

All whilst exempt from the corporation or capital gains tax paid by every other company. They pay some income tax, but they won’t divulge details.

The greed is shocking and breathtaking. I don’t want to hear another word on helping the environment, fixing the climate or eradicating homelessness from their mouths.

No wonder they are so astoundingly, breathtakingly rich.

I think this programme will become a big talking point in coming days.

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Ukisgaslit · 03/11/2024 20:38

@Coffeetostart
You aren’t
You really aren’t

Coffeetostart · 03/11/2024 20:31

Time to dissemble Royal family and be as French say “Viva a la Republique”.

But I bet I’m in the minority.

OonaStubbs · 03/11/2024 20:22

Politicians are far worse than the Royals. FAR worse.

Ukisgaslit · 03/11/2024 20:19

ladykale · 02/11/2024 21:50

It's outrageous but the average Brit loves the royal family and is indoctrinated to do so from a young age

Yes there’s indoctrination but the ‘average Brit’ doesn’t not love the royals . I never believed that to be true even when Elizabeth was alive and I certainly don’t believe it now
There will be fewer and fewer walkabouts as unless they ( disgracefully) ship in a class of primary school children,no one is coming to see them .
We should be allowed a simple non binding question at the next general election .
Do you support the royal family ? Yes/no

No plan to do anything about that info , no Brexit mess etc but let’s get a clearer idea of where we stand
Oh and believe it or not it has been done before . Not here of course - don’t be silly- this is gaslit uk . Over one hundred years ago , in Norway .

Ukisgaslit · 03/11/2024 20:04

Thank you for posting this in AIBU as the ‘royals’ section is to be avoided

Not only should the royals be paying all their taxes they should be happy to do so . Are they not supposed to be the first family , head of the church and examples to us all ?

Instead they make dirty deals to exempt themselves from taxes and laws.

They owe a great deal in back tax and we need it now .

Alternatively, can we just get rid of them ? It’s one thing for them to be useless ( they are ) but also to be secretly exploiting public services adds insult to injury

marmaladeandpeanutbutter · 03/11/2024 19:58

It comes to something when the expose is party coming from the Times! Everyone is disgusted, I’d say.

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Butchyrestingface · 03/11/2024 19:55

I think they should get proper JOBS.

Mookie81 · 03/11/2024 19:50

https://x.com/Arbuthnott/status/1852745900453507087

https://x.com/Arbuthnott/status/1852745904148591059

Disgusting and disgraceful doesn't even begin to describe them. The Queen was as bad as the rest, people only liked her because she seemed like a kindly old granny; Sir Tom syndrome.

x.com

https://x.com/Arbuthnott/status/1852745900453507087

MrTwatchester · 03/11/2024 16:30

AuxArmesCitoyens · 03/11/2024 13:16

They are supposed to be patriots. Why are they content to watch the country go to shit while stuffing their own pockets?

Who says they're supposed to be patriots?

They're there because, centuries ago, their ancestors killed off someone else's ancestors, and claimed some land. They then consolidated the land grab with some fairy stories about the Divine Right of Kings, which as a concept is no more than post hoc ergo propter hoc—we're royal, so we must be better than you, and all this wealth is deserved.

Their objectives and loyalties have never been to the people—who are there just to be serfs and servants—but to their own kind. All their dealings and marriages have been among aristos and royals, whether British or other European.

Obviously all this monarchy cobblers has no place in modern life, so the late Queen spent six decades rebranding The Firm, and now everyone thinks they're patriotic public servants. If you're lucky, you—a commoner!—might even get to marry one of them these days!

Of course they're stuffing their pockets, that's all they've ever done. They just need to stop us realising it, before they go the way of the Romanovs or the French toffs.

Marie Antoinette today would be declaring, "let them have a bank holiday".

AuxArmesCitoyens · 03/11/2024 13:16

They are supposed to be patriots. Why are they content to watch the country go to shit while stuffing their own pockets?

Cartwrightandson · 03/11/2024 13:15

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To think the royal family should pay proper tax?
KeepingGoingOneDayAtATime · 03/11/2024 13:14

The programme doesn't seem to be available any more.

OonaStubbs · 03/11/2024 13:13

Who would they pay it to? HMRC? What do you think the HM stands for?

pinotgrigeeeeo · 03/11/2024 13:07

marmaladeandpeanutbutter · 03/11/2024 12:39

@pinotgrigeeeeo I took actual notes. You can see the programme on catch up or channel 4 catch up or similar .

Yes, I'm not doubting that.

I just mean if Despatches information is accurate and provable then hopefully something is going to be done.

Because it's just too far. And I don't think people are going to just roll over and accept this.

Nikitaspearlearring · 03/11/2024 12:50

Bloody hell. I thought the recent budget thing about farmers was designed to catch the super-wealthy landowners like KC, but it seems it won't touch him and PW. I like having a royal family but I don't see why we can't have all the pomp and traditions (horses! Carriages! Soldiers in fancy uniforms!) without the royals absolutely taking the piss. They are, as has been said upthread, just people. A different accident of birth somewhere back in history could've put you or me on the throne.

marmaladeandpeanutbutter · 03/11/2024 12:40

Also read @Keepingongoing's referenced article, where the Guardian has reviewed the programme.

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marmaladeandpeanutbutter · 03/11/2024 12:39

@pinotgrigeeeeo I took actual notes. You can see the programme on catch up or channel 4 catch up or similar .

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anniegun · 03/11/2024 11:24

Lets get rid of them all. They are sucking out much needed wealth that could be used to support the country. And please let them pay 40% inheritance tax like EVERYONE ELSE

MoreNotLess · 03/11/2024 11:18

Silvertulips · 03/11/2024 11:08

They use trusts.

Anyone can access a trust.

You can set out the terms of the trust and what gets paid out.

I mean Charles would have had to pay 40% capital gains - bit as it’s all in trust it get passed over to him. He doesn’t own any of it.

Estates left from one Sovereign to another sovereign are EXCEMPT from inheritance tax, they don't need to use trusts. There are still lots of associated costs and liabilities with trusts and the Royal family clearly don't won't to bother with that type of thing. This is since 1993. It's not some long standing weird law. This was a recent chance made by The Queen.

user1467300911 · 03/11/2024 11:16

There needs to be complete financial transparency. They need to pay their taxes just like everyone else.

Their remuneration for the value that they add (if there really is any) should be decided by citizens.

If they really cared about the environment or homelessness, the royal family have vast resources at their fingertips, way beyond that of any of the charities trying to make progress in these areas.

MoreNotLess · 03/11/2024 11:14

SalviaDivinorum · 03/11/2024 10:39

They also manage to wriggle out of legislation that would harm their interests. The late Queen was good at that.

I've never understood the love for the RF. They live off the rest of us and we are supposed to be grateful.

This includes legislation that is in place to protect the environment. Again, it was the Queen who lobbied to get these excemptions.

It's easy to find information on this but here is a Guardian Article

The Royal family are exempt from all sorts of legislation. Here are some the King is excerpt from
Why is this allowed? Why would HE allow it.

thepariscrimefiles · 03/11/2024 11:12

The sheer hypocricy revealed about their stance on environmental issues and climate change was shocking.

The state of the homes that people are renting from the Duchy of Cornwall was disgusting. The Duchy is a slum landlord renting out unheated homes with mould and damp.

Silvertulips · 03/11/2024 11:08

They use trusts.

Anyone can access a trust.

You can set out the terms of the trust and what gets paid out.

I mean Charles would have had to pay 40% capital gains - bit as it’s all in trust it get passed over to him. He doesn’t own any of it.