Page 8 | Taking bets... Keir Starmer or Kemi Badenoch?

Papyrophile · 2024-11-02T21:40:08+00:00

Which will lose their party's favour first?

EasternStandard · 02/11/2024 22:35

MyOtherCarisAVauxhallZafira · 02/11/2024 22:32

What we need is neither of them, give me David Milliband Vs Rory Stewart and then we're talking

I don't want to go back to two men. I'm glad Kemi is in this

Re Wes in pp I don't think Starmer will budge for anyone, he'd have to lose a GE first

MyOtherCarisAVauxhallZafira · 02/11/2024 22:32

What we need is neither of them, give me David Milliband Vs Rory Stewart and then we're talking

mrshoho · 02/11/2024 22:30

Agree with others re Wes Streeting. He comes across as a capable and genuine person. He shows intelligence when speaking and displays empathy when meeting with people from all walks of life. Hope he stays the course.

MrsHemswoth · 02/11/2024 22:27

Kemi is VERY disliked in her own constituency- mainly due to her far right and unpopular opinions, she is known for being ruthless and is practically invisible here. She only pops up for the odd photo opportunity just enough to cling on to her seat by a fingernail. Had the Labour candidate been a bit more experienced (she was good, but only 21 I think), Kemi would have lost.

The demographics of her constituency are changing rapidly, lots more Londoners moving to Essex and the older life-long tories dying out, the more liberal minded in the likes of Uttlesford now, much more in alignment with more liberal and left wing families.

That's what I see anyway and have been following for a while... I think Kier is a far more decent individual overall and Kemi is a hypocrite! Doesn't even have her family home here and her kids are educated in London I believe, but may be wrong.

RachelNoire · 02/11/2024 22:24

Bushmillsbabe · 02/11/2024 21:55

Kier will definitely lose favour first. Its fairly easy to keep favour when in opposition and criticising from the sidelines, but much harder when you are in the 'hotseat' and have to make real life decisions rather than saying 'I would do this, I would do that'. He has already lost a lot of his popularity since coming to power I think

He hasn’t had a “honeymoon” period that usually comes post election having not been in power for so long, and certainly no euphoria since he became PM.

He’s unsurprisingly suffered the biggest post-election fall in approval ratings of any British prime minister in the modern era.

ilovesooty · 02/11/2024 22:24

PickAChew · 02/11/2024 22:23

Kemi needs to to find enough credible people willing to form a shadow cabinet with her. Anyone who thinks her party is going to give her an easy ride is deluded.

There aren't many people to choose from are there?

PickAChew · 02/11/2024 22:23

Kemi needs to to find enough credible people willing to form a shadow cabinet with her. Anyone who thinks her party is going to give her an easy ride is deluded.

RachelNoire · 02/11/2024 22:21

HeadNorth · 02/11/2024 21:53

Kemi is extreme right wing. Elections are won from the centre. Pragmatic, compromising Keir.

Where is the “centre” these days?
What is “extreme right wing” in relation to the above?

newnamethanks · 02/11/2024 22:21

Kemi will suffer the same fate as the recent Tory leaders, she may think she's got a stab vest but so did the others. They may hate Keir but they hate each other more. 🍷 to Mrs Robert Jenrick and her starter for 10.

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Papyrophile · 02/11/2024 22:20

Fun posting, interesting ideas all, thank you. feel free to keep going, but I need a sleep xx

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Papyrophile · 02/11/2024 22:18

So everything is possible?

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Stanleycupsarecool · 02/11/2024 22:17

Kemi won’t last until an election.

TooBigForMyBoots · 02/11/2024 22:17

I doubt Kemi will be leader at the next GE. She might not even be an MP at that point.

iamtheblcksheep · 02/11/2024 22:17

Starmer will be gone in two years. He’s far too moderate for the nut jobs in his party.

Badenock will be PM at the next election

MildGreenDairyLiquid · 02/11/2024 22:15

Papyrophile · 02/11/2024 22:00

Someone on the last thread I was on suggested that if Kemi Badenoch remained Tory leader, Keir Starmer would be in power until 2040. I am old, and politics was slower then, but I can't think of a single political leader apart from Tony Blair who kept their political balloon in the air for more than a decade. Events derail plains, dear boy.

Thatcher did 15 years as leader, 11 as prime minister.

Edward Heath did 10 years as leader, 4 as prime minister.

Harold Wilson was leader for 13 years, 8 as prime minister.

Admittedly, that was back when politics was sensible, filled with substantial big-hitters and serious people (even if you disagreed with them). Not the car crash we’ve had for the past 8 years.

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Papyrophile · 02/11/2024 22:13

It's a shame. I quite like Keir. But he doesn't have a big persona. I don't agree with much he says, but I would respect him more if he could acknowledge the difficulty his sole trader father's toolmaking business would have had making a living in the current world. Keir Sr might have wanted to train an apprentice as he aged to help with the heavy lifting. But now, the apprentice, who knows nothing, and can't tell up from down, is entitled to sick pay from day one.

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EasternStandard · 02/11/2024 22:12

Kemi will take the party to the GE

But then I think no matter the ratings Starmer will stay too

jen337 · 02/11/2024 22:10

Kemi will be lucky to last 2 years nevermind winning any elections 🤣

StarDolphins · 02/11/2024 22:02

Keir won’t last long imo.

KoalaCalledKevin · 02/11/2024 22:00

I wouldn't be that surprised if neither of them are the leaders for the next election.

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Papyrophile · 02/11/2024 22:00

Someone on the last thread I was on suggested that if Kemi Badenoch remained Tory leader, Keir Starmer would be in power until 2040. I am old, and politics was slower then, but I can't think of a single political leader apart from Tony Blair who kept their political balloon in the air for more than a decade. Events derail plains, dear boy.

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Fizzadora · 02/11/2024 21:59

Wes Streeting is good. He won't last long.

Boohoo76 · 02/11/2024 21:58

Papyrophile · 02/11/2024 21:47

Another post to gee along the thread. Who rates Keir Starmer and Rachel Reeves? I like Wes Streeting and I think he has some sensible ideas for the reform of the NHS. Ed Milliband is a dreamer; his brother was more pragmatic.

I think that Wes Streeting is the best that Labour have at the moment. Reeves makes my skin crawl and Bridget Phillipson is vile. As for Keir, I wish I could have seen him in action as a barrister because he really doesn’t give me the impression of being a great advocate. I say that as someone who hated advocacy at university and law school so became a solicitor so I wouldn’t have to do it!

hazelnutvanillalatte · 02/11/2024 21:56

Papyrophile · 02/11/2024 21:50

Then we will cancel each other out!

What do you like about her policies?

PandoraSox · 02/11/2024 21:56

teatoast8 · 02/11/2024 21:48

I hope she doesn't win the next election

I doubt she will still be leader, but let's wait and see.