To think in ten years all these huge veneers and huge lips will be seriously dated?

I couldn't care less to signal virtue (stupidest cliche ever). This is just a chatboard.

I dislike reading sneery comments about women's appearances and the associations made about them and say so. Those comments are never made about men. I don't like many aspects of personal adornment that other people enjoy. It's not my business.

I pity the generations that have social media to deal with as well as women like you. Before that it was just women like you.

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I saw an influencer filming self at a London street market. From the side, her lower face looked like a facial deformity. Her whole mouth area protruded too far from face. Like her face was big eyelashes, huge lips. Talking talking about the exciting “antique” finds on a table full of basically junk.

She was only filming straight on. She was a petite person, like maybe only 5 ft, she looked Very full lips front on, but from side you wonder how she can speak.

In 1980s, she would have been considered a candidate for some sort of corrective surgery.

Defo going to be hanging down past her chin at some point ..

I could never have a tattoo, it's way too permanent, but I do love having a temporary one, lasts for about a week or so.

Getting anything permanent or even semi permanent done when it’s fashionable seems like a bad idea. One of my personal bugbears is tattoo fashions. I have no problem with tattoos per se, but they shouldn’t be beholden to fashions. Gen X’s thick black Celtic and ‘tribal’ tats look really dated now, as do the Sailor Jerry style hipster tats from the early 2000s. The current detention desk look of Gen Z is going to date quicker than last year’s calendar.

Pete Burns died of a sudden heart attack after he went under the knife for at least 300 times for cosmetic surgery. A few ended badly like one where his lips blew up and loads of yellow pus came out. Plus going under the knife hundreds puts stress on the heart..

Hope people are put off from plastic surgery from him.

Given that just using whitening toothpaste is said by dentists to degrade enamel, I don't think "roughing the surface" is without a downside.

All that is supposed to be done for veneers is to roughen the surface to enable the veneers to stick, and it doesn’t actually harm the teeth.
Filing them down is preparation for crowns and much more drastic, it actually is the last resort. I see reports in the media of people going to Turkey for veneers and actually having crowns which may be unnecessary in some cases.

Yup added on 20 years there.

Omg is that photo of Chrissy Tiegen up thread real? She looks awful. What a shame.

I think the facial extremes we saw a few years ago like sharpie or powder brows and Russian lashes have already faded into memory. Even the laminated brow look where they are stuck upright is looking dated now.

Micro blading has got really good and many are forking out to have fuller but natural looking brows. I think lip fillers will go the same way. Nobody wants to look really fake anymore.

Veneers are here to stay, I reckon. Who doesn’t want nice looking teeth? Manky teeth are the first thing I notice when I meet someone new. Most intelligent people would not go and get cheap Turkey teeth as they look bloody awful, but modern veneers done by a dentist who specialises can look completely natural and transformative.

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The lip thing is interesting, lip filler has a big impact on speech, our son has a hearing impairment, for him lip reading is hugely beneficial especially in noisy places. As lip filler reduces normal lip movement he cannot read the lips of people who have it, one of the TAs at his last school was unable to work in his classroom due to it. His aunt who is convinced she has natural looking lipfiller, again, he cannot lip read with her anymore

Wow I would never have thought about that. That it can actually, in such a context, influence how effective you can be in your job. I bet no one has even considered that. Imagine being a nurse in a hospital working with a hearing impaired patient and they can't understand you!

Watched a bit of Bridget Jones Edge of Reason last night. Everyone looked so normal!

I don't care personally if people want the aesthetic (though I don't much care for it). As a social trend, that's something else. Socially, it's also about putting women on a constant treadmill to keep their looks, which isn't possible, and you don't know you've crossed the line into unnatural till you've done it. Cosmetic surgery is a business.

what concerns me, though, is that good work is not cheap. But people are getting it cheaply, through various ways (non medically trained providers, or doctors who aren't really trained in the speciality they need to be, or going abroad). Cosmetic treatment is often poorly regulated. Even for surgery, yes, you need to be a doctor, but depending on the country you may not need to be trained in that specific field of surgery and it's up to the patient to make sure they are actually registered as a plastic or cosmetic surgeon. That is how you end up on Botched. Where, by the way, the human Ken doll went on, and of course they wouldn't touch him (they always put on a patient who the doctors won't go near, because they're surgery addicts.)

That's a recipe for poor results, and sometimes dangerous ones. I know someone who went abroad for weight loss surgery because she wasn't eligible on the NHS and of course it was cheaper there. She got really ill, and the NHS did wind up having to foot the bill for the repair. Or all the Brazilian butt lifts where they remove fat from your midsection and inject it into your arse, which apparently reputable American surgeons won't do, but you can certainly get them in Tijuana.

if you do fillers wrong, you can cause a significant autoimmune reaction. Especially if you're a right idiot and get silicone injected.

and yes, teeth need to be significantly ground down to put crowns on. If anything goes wrong after that, it's root canal if you're lucky and extraction if you're not. That was one thing since I was replacing mismatched and elderly crowns on top of multiple root canals, but I wouldn't do it to healthy teeth. For most people, braces and teeth whitening are a better choice; you just won't get instant results or blinding teeth.

At least hideous false eyelashes will come off with makeup remover.

They are horrendous now!

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@Tangerinenets That sounds tough to live with. Can't you get any help on the NHS? Removal and uplift? Surely it's a risk to your health that should be taken into consideration. My sister is getting her boobs reduced and lifted (they are really huge naturally and causing tremendous back pain) I would really try.

Nobody needs lipstick, it's an aesthetic choice. You're saying she doesn't need lipstick "because" hers are full and beautiful, so do you think that thin lips aren't beautiful and do need it? Nice.

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Just asked DP and he thought they were in their 40's

Apparently its been found that filler fluid doesn't necessarily dissolve but migrates to other parts of the body and can leach into the lymph system. Dodgy stuff;

Apparently it's more in the UK because our treatments are cheaper. In many countries you cannot do anything to people's faces unless they're a medical professional with the correct training. Obviously it costs a lot more to go to a dermatologist than to Chantelle on the high street who's been on a course or two

I would not slag anyone off. But women injecting stuff into their lips and cheeks is making life harder for my daughter and her peers. Thus I feel strongly about this
and wish it would just stop.

There’s a girl who lives near to me and she has had loads of filler over the years, it makes her head look massive aka pillow face. It’s because the fillers attract water and cause the skin to swell. A similar effect to that of Chrissy Teigen. It’s all a bit Roswell, really.

This is an open forum where people can express their opinions. The women I see with lip fillers etc are walking around, blissfully unaware of my opinions on their look. I don't stop them in the street and tell them how awful I think they look. Therefore my opinion doesn't hurt them in the slightest. Perhaps if they are on Mumsnet, reading that many people think they look dreadful with their overinflated lips might make them think twice, but I doubt it as they see their face every day in the mirror and presumably think they look good.
Class was mentioned because earlier in the thread it came into the discussion, and several posters had observed that this type of look was more prevalent in certain areas. Again this was part of the discussion on an open forum.
It really annoys me that some people seem to think that no one should ever make any negative comments about other people on this forum, which is ridiculous considering it's an anonymous public forum in which numerous subjects are discussed.
As a mother of a now adult daughter, I can absolutely guarantee that as your daughter grows up she will be influenced in how she should look by people who have nothing to do with her. She will see popstars, models, celebrities, people in the street, all of whom she doesn't know, and will want to wear clothes like them or have a hairstyle like them. You're being naive if you think she won't.

Gosh @ToriMJ that's sad.