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Very bizarre afternoon and feel out of sorts

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Iwashopingnottobreakmyduck · 01/11/2024 20:32

Drove 3 hours to visit MIL with DH and older children.

Walking back from the pub - met a man in a jacket, sweatpants and hat. He asked if we could call an ambulance, I asked why and he said he felt dizzy and started to collapse. DH phoned an ambulance. The guy told me his name, age and said he had epilepsy. He collapsed on the ground and started to fit violently.

An A and E consultant also walking past put him in recovery and numerous people stopped and asked to help. 45 minutes waiting in the freezing cold for an ambulance. Occasionally he came round and ‘fitted’. My daughter gave up her coat for his head support.

The ambulance arrived 45 minutes later and we were promptly told it was all a big con. This man is well known to them. He had appeared in court over it - calling ambulances out etc and abusing paramedics etc

We stood back and sure enough after the paramedics said they weren’t taking him to hospital and told him to get up and that he had enough attention etc he started being abusive to them and got up and we were shocked.

According to ambulance staff he is not either mentally ill or epileptic like he told us, that’s what they said.

DH has driven home and I feel very out of sorts. I had my head down listening to his breathing and he had drooled all over my daughter’s coat I held his hand for 45 minutes. No alcohol or drugs involved. According to a local man he does this every few days and there is a court order to stop him from doing it and they have sentenced him on previous ocassions. The police may be in touch with us. DH says he feels upset and used and of course was on the phone to 999 for 45 minutes, a crew was diverted from a real emergency. Daughter is pretty upset by it. Even the A and E doctor was taking his pulse etc - he didn’t know him as didn’t work at the local hospital.

I said to DH that whatever his needs are - they aren’t being met. I don’t know the answer or why. Or what society can do. But I feel very out of sorts.

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viques · 01/11/2024 22:18

Don’t be upset, you responded in a kind, humane way to someone who you believed needed your help. You should be proud that you did this, you have also taught your daughter that being a decent human being is what we should all aspire too, even though sometimes the people we try to help turn out to be not who we thought they were! Flowers For being lovely.

pictoosh · 01/11/2024 22:15

The world has some some really bizarre people in it and you've just encountered one of them. No wonder you feel out of sorts. What a strange thing for him to want to do. What an event to be caught up in, holding his hand and trying to help.

You will tell this story in the future and perhaps even laugh at the absurdity of it.

Odd day. Have wine. x

Gonk123 · 01/11/2024 22:05

I would feel really duped…how awful for you.

JaceLancs · 01/11/2024 22:03

I have dealt with people who fabricate illness (in a professional capacity) and it is in my opinion definitely a mental health issue - there is usually some deep seated reason as to why they feel the need to seek attention in this way - annoying and time wasting as it is - feel sorry for them - you and your family did the right thing

Baseline14 · 01/11/2024 22:03

Not sure how old your daughter is but it may be helpful to do a first aid class with her to take away her anxiety around what is she was on her own. The first aid action plan is DRSABC and the D stands for danger. The first thing we do when assisting someone is assess the danger to ourselves (e.g. are they standing in a puddle with a live electric wire?). If she doesn't feel safe assisting someone while she is on her own that's ok, the most important thing she can't do if someone if obviously very poorly is shout for help be that from other passers by or calling an ambulance as appropriate.

Alittlebitwary · 01/11/2024 22:02

YoucancallmeBettyDraper · 01/11/2024 21:49

Look up FND. Just quite interesting. They don’t know what causes it.
Or it’ll be a mental health problem. No one who is ok behaves like this. That’s what I’d say to my daughter. You all did a kind thing and this doesn’t change that.

Came on to say it could be undiagnosed FND, but that causes the person to genuinely experience symptoms even if they aren't physically happening - so they believe it's happening to them. if the man got straight up and started swearing at them once the paramedics clocked on, then probably not. Either way, FND is deep rooted in mental health /often linked with past trauma, and the primary focus is mental health treatment. Sounds like the guy needs mental health help whatever is making him do it - of which I'm certain he won't be getting.

Definitely don't let him take away from your good deed OP. You did the right thing in the circumstances, but I can see how it would feel extremely upsetting afterwards now knowing he wasnt genuine. Hope your daughter is ok - I'd probably get the coat dry cleaned anyway! Xx

lastlo · 01/11/2024 22:01

This is sadly pretty common. Men and women with court orders banning from all hospitals, asbos, multiple fake names, ones who travel from Glasgow to Portsmouth to avoid being recognised and much more. Often fake seizures, sometimes other things (fake pulmonary embolism is a real corker).

Sorry you had to deal with this OP, it's grim. Sometimes their actions have truly awful consequences, remember one case that made the news of a woman convicted of faking a medical emergency in a children's hospital (and also faking that she was a child) meaning another child suffering a real emergency didn't get the help they needed.

Iwashopingnottobreakmyduck · 01/11/2024 21:59

Right DH and I off to bed as we have a long drive tomorrow. Thanks all. So sorry to people on our NHS who get these type of calls - knowing an emergency might not get answered. And yes whatever the crew said this man needs help. But it isn’t there.

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Iwashopingnottobreakmyduck · 01/11/2024 21:56

SlugLettuce · 01/11/2024 21:50

You’d be surprised how common this sort of thing is throughout emergency services. Happy, well people obviously do not do this sort of thing but it wastes so much time and diverts help from people in genuine emergencies and your patience does start to wear thin. Sometimes it’s possible to put people like this on a behavioural order where they aren’t supposed to contact services or lead other people to contact them on their behalf unless its a genuine emergency. You’re probably feeling a bit shocked and disconcerted by the whole thing op. Just know that you did a kind thing for someone and were working on the information available to you at the time.

This is what they wanted to know as apparently he has a court order forbidding him from calling an ambulance unless he really needs one etc or from lying blocking a road or pavement. As he asked us to call one (ambulance) and then collapsed on me and we helped him down - I am guessing he has not broken those restrictions. We were asked who asked for an ambulance and why etc wanting to know exactly what he said and asked for.

The doctor there said he wasn’t overly worried but waited with us and didn’t know him personally (the man) but said he would of done likewise (phone) so 🤷‍♀️

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thequeenoftarts · 01/11/2024 21:55

All you can do is chalk this up to a very awful experience and look at your own kind behaviour and how you responded to someone apparently in need.

You all did amazing, keep reminding yourselves of that.
Him, well he has issues, hope he got his kicks out of it, awful person to do that to you, waste time from you and a doctor, ambulance workers and anyone else good enough to stop.
One day he will be like the boy who cried wolf, something will be happening and he will be ignored and it may just cost him his life

HalloweenYey · 01/11/2024 21:53

This is so sad and I hope you and family will be ok in a few days once the shock fades and you have time to come to terms with it.

This poor man is clearly being failed by support services. A court order is likely to make his behaviour worse as he won't feel believed or supported.

He clearly is expressing a need for care and support. A prolonged inpatient stay with psychological intervention, would likely be of significant benefit, but that won't happen because beds are in short supply and he'll have been labelled as 'attention seeking' and not really mentally unwell. I've seen similar before and it's heart breaking.

So sad

Todaywasbetter · 01/11/2024 21:50

This is one of those rare occasions when the word ‘discombobulated’ is the only one that describes the way you’re feeling. it will pass

SlugLettuce · 01/11/2024 21:50

You’d be surprised how common this sort of thing is throughout emergency services. Happy, well people obviously do not do this sort of thing but it wastes so much time and diverts help from people in genuine emergencies and your patience does start to wear thin. Sometimes it’s possible to put people like this on a behavioural order where they aren’t supposed to contact services or lead other people to contact them on their behalf unless its a genuine emergency. You’re probably feeling a bit shocked and disconcerted by the whole thing op. Just know that you did a kind thing for someone and were working on the information available to you at the time.

YoucancallmeBettyDraper · 01/11/2024 21:49

Iwashopingnottobreakmyduck · 01/11/2024 21:47

He has been in court numerous times - at least 3 previous convictions according to a quick Google of his name. Also a previous conviction for Arson.

DH put her prized coat in the wash when we got home - it’s a nice coat and she didn’t mind giving it up for his head. It’s drying now. But we have said if she wants we will get it cleaned properly. I think it has shaken her confidence in people as she said ‘what would have happened if I had been on my own?’ Apparently a number of people walked past but DH and I stopped and I hope I would do the same again. DH is saying he feels like a mug. I think we are all thinking what if he had assaulted one of us. (One of the convictions is for assaulting a paramedic)

Look up FND. Just quite interesting. They don’t know what causes it.
Or it’ll be a mental health problem. No one who is ok behaves like this. That’s what I’d say to my daughter. You all did a kind thing and this doesn’t change that.

Iwashopingnottobreakmyduck · 01/11/2024 21:49

Iwantabrightsunnyday · 01/11/2024 21:43

A normal person does not do this. Whatever they decide < mental health issues > are, we still know that this world has a very general consensus what is decent and normal human behaviour, what is not.

This is how I felt / feel. But paramedics said no mental health or neurological conditions and were adamant he doesn’t have epilepsy. I said to DH whatever his need it isn’t being met.

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Iwashopingnottobreakmyduck · 01/11/2024 21:47

YoucancallmeBettyDraper · 01/11/2024 21:41

That sounds horrible.
He might have a rare kind of neurological disorder where the patient experiences symptoms of seizure but there’s no physiological reason why they would ie no electrical currents in the brain that would show up on an EEG. They’re not very well understood and are psychosomatic. If he’s social marginalised anyway and not pushy he would just end up being called a faker.

Either way it sounds like there is something going on mentally there. So try and hold the compassion that you already showed this person in your heart. You sound like a good person.

He has been in court numerous times - at least 3 previous convictions according to a quick Google of his name. Also a previous conviction for Arson.

DH put her prized coat in the wash when we got home - it’s a nice coat and she didn’t mind giving it up for his head. It’s drying now. But we have said if she wants we will get it cleaned properly. I think it has shaken her confidence in people as she said ‘what would have happened if I had been on my own?’ Apparently a number of people walked past but DH and I stopped and I hope I would do the same again. DH is saying he feels like a mug. I think we are all thinking what if he had assaulted one of us. (One of the convictions is for assaulting a paramedic)

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Iwantabrightsunnyday · 01/11/2024 21:43

A normal person does not do this. Whatever they decide < mental health issues > are, we still know that this world has a very general consensus what is decent and normal human behaviour, what is not.

Greybeardy · 01/11/2024 21:42

its not that uncommon. Fell for similar when I was a medical student. Unfortunately one day he’ll have a real emergency and no one will take a blind bit of notice. Hope the slobber washes out of the coat!

YoucancallmeBettyDraper · 01/11/2024 21:41

That sounds horrible.
He might have a rare kind of neurological disorder where the patient experiences symptoms of seizure but there’s no physiological reason why they would ie no electrical currents in the brain that would show up on an EEG. They’re not very well understood and are psychosomatic. If he’s social marginalised anyway and not pushy he would just end up being called a faker.

Either way it sounds like there is something going on mentally there. So try and hold the compassion that you already showed this person in your heart. You sound like a good person.

Iwashopingnottobreakmyduck · 01/11/2024 21:40

MyAquaEagle · 01/11/2024 21:12

I’m a doctor. Unfortunately, this is fairly common.

I’m just shocked. Totally shocked. The crew filmed the incident they had body cams on. Apparently the man calls ambulances and fakes lying in the road and then abuses the paramedics. The paramedic knew him and said she knew him very well. She recognised the doctor having worked with him at a different hospital, the doctor having seen him in the recovery position and taken his pulse wasn’t that concerned about him. . But the ambulance man it was like ‘Right then XXXX we are here now. You have seven people here and you’ve got what you wanted we are here. We aren’t taking you in.’ They started doing all his vitals and he got up, noticed that the Paramedics were wearing body cams and it was all filmed. A quick google of his name (we don’t live locally) and up he comes and all the previous convictions etc

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Iwashopingnottobreakmyduck · 01/11/2024 21:29

BreatheAndFocus · 01/11/2024 20:51

Yep, there’s a man like that here too. He’s been banned from calling an ambulance as he was calling them very frequently for no reason at all. There was a court order to stop him. He doesn’t have MH problems, but they did say he had some social problems.

Perhaps the man you saw had a similar court order so had resorted to ensnaring passers-by.

Put it out of your head. You did the right thing - because it could have been a genuine emergency. The fact you were tricked says nothing about you and everything about him. And yes, it’s a totally twattish thing to do, diverting an ambulance from a genuine emergency.

This is what they said - he has a court order stopping him from phoning an ambulance or collapsing and blocking a road apparently 🤷‍♀️

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Cas112 · 01/11/2024 21:17

I kid you not OP I have had the exact same thing happen

I was on my own however and no other members of public around so I was terrified for this person and I was not first aid trained. They literally collapsed onto me and I thought I was going to be squashed as they fell. Paramedics arrived and said the exact same, however they did the usual torch in eyes and check pulse just out of precaution

I was angry about it and shaken up for a couple of days but I actually forgot about it... till I seen your post I'm actually gob smacked

Pancakeflipper · 01/11/2024 21:14

That's an awful experience. I hope you can feel more positive about it in knowing you did the right thing and you were all kind and are caring.

I guess a stay in hospital is like a stay in a hotel for this individual.

Wolframandhart · 01/11/2024 21:13

I said to DH that whatever his needs are - they aren’t being met
it is this, isnt it.

MyAquaEagle · 01/11/2024 21:12

I’m a doctor. Unfortunately, this is fairly common.