Too be really fucking angry with people who just let abuse happen- Sara Sharif

It all it’s just senseless and tragic. A little girl needlessly lost her life and her dad and step mum will now spend the majority of their lives behind bars , costing millions.

Of course Im glad they are going to prison and her dad will unlikely ever be free in society again- just it all seems avoidable and senseless..

Minimum 40 years
Glad the relative got a good sentence also even 8 years as a so called innocent by sander is good.

Batool also a good hefty sentence

He has to stay in prison until he's 82 though.

And then he has to apply for release, which may not be granted.

I think he'll die there.

Life with a minimum of 40 years for her father. 33 years for her step mother.
I’m slightly surprised the father didn’t get a whole life tariff.

The uncle got 16 years.

Nobody is suggesting that other home educated children are at increased risk of harm because of their form of education though. I don't know where you have got this from.

Children are equally at risk of abuse regardless of how they're educated. However, those who are in school have a level of visibility to the authorities that provides opportunities for interested adults to spot the abuse and take action to intervene. Clearly, that doesn't always work but it's an opportunity nonetheless. Children who are home educated have much less visibility and there are therefore fewer opportunities for other adults to spot what's going on. That's why we need a better system in place for checking on their wellbeing. Home educating parents who are not abusing their children have nothing to fear from this.

In this particular case, withdrawing Sara from school was a massive red flag that should have been investigated much more thoroughly. Acknowledging that does not in any way suggest that other parents who choose to home school are in any way abusing their children.

The Baby P situation was similar in that he was simply let down.

There were loads of organisations involved in his case, Drs didn't examine him properly, the police dropped charges, his dad didn't do anything, social services were less than useless.

In these cases , there are usually plenty of opportunities to intervene. I read yesterday that an inexperienced social worker researched Sara's case for the judge and didn't take into account the potential danger of the father. The judge accepted the research and granted the father custody.

I'm not blaming. I'm saying there is a pattern with these cases. Relatives appear and weep and wail and sell their stories. Where were they when it was happening?
Baby P for one.
We aren't experts so it's all supposition. My own thoughts are it is down to cuts in public services, selling off and privitising services, unreasonable demands being placed on teachers.

I think it suggests that the authorities were too quick to close this case and not follow up on an ongoing basis with this particular child who they already knew to be at ongoing risk of harm (and sadly, this has also been the conclusion in previous high profile child abuse cases). I agree that withdrawing a child from school specifically after an abuse complaint (and not just moving to another local placement because the relationship with SLT there has clearly broken down) is a red flag that it is an attempt to hide her - just as taking her out of the country or moving with no forwarding address would be (I believe they also moved house).

I don’t agree that this implies that other home ed children who have had no involvement with social services at any point are at any increased risk of harm from their families simply because of the form of their education - just as families who move house normally don’t require additional suspicion.

You're completely missing the point. Yes, Sara was already known to the authorities from birth, and yes she was already being abused long before she was withdrawn from school. Nobody is arguing otherwise. However, the fact is, she was withdrawn from school to be "home educated" very soon after the school had flagged up concerns about her wellbeing. That should have triggered a more in-depth investigation into why she had been taken out and whether she was safe. If someone had shown just a little more professional curiosity in response to that trigger, the outcome might have been very different.

I do understand that some in the home ed community will feel defensive in response to the media coverage, because clearly, there will be lots of home educating families who wouldn't dream of abusing their children, but it's ridiculous to suggest that home ed isn't relevant in this case - the decision to withdraw Sara from school so soon after the school highlighted safeguarding concerns should have been a very clear red flag to the authorities and it was tragically missed.

So the case does help to highlight the already obvious fact that we need better safeguarding measures in place to protect children who may be less visible to the authorities because they are outside of the school system. This Isn't a criticism of home educating families, it is just basic common sense.

This child was already well known to the authorities from birth and through reporting by her school - I very much agree that this suspicion of abuse should have continued to be followed up, but that it wasn't is nothing to do with "home ed" - she was abused in school, withdrawn in April and then killed in the following summer holiday when there wouldn't have been "eyes on" from teachers anyway.

The recent media articles talking up home ed in connection to this case are sadly more to do with the current and unrelated govt agenda to increase home ed surveillance due to the rising numbers choosing it, than the actual facts of this horrific situation. For a start - in this case Sara Sharif would have been already "registered" as being home ed as all children withdrawn from school are, automatically (as the school notifies the LA)!

They are not with relatives anymore, they were moved to a children’s home a while ago. I assume there is no other reporting on them to protect their privacy. Maybe they are back in England in foster care, Surrey County Council asked the courts in Pakistan to return the children. I feel very sad for them especially the oldest boy. What a horrific childhood and he must miss his sister lots.

they moved out a while later and the house was in such a state that the owner had to get a professional cleaning firm in. I was chatting to one of them and they said that the cellar was stuffed with rubbish, all the rooms were in a real state but strangely the bathroom was immaculate. Woman who lived in the house that was actually joined onto that house had reported them too as she often heard the child crying and the parents yelling at her. So it was me and another neighbour who did the right thing.

You did the right thing, did things seem to improve?

I cried watching the news yesterday and I can’t get what she must have suffered out of my mind these past few days. Heartbreaking.
Disgusting what they did to her. I hope they suffer terribly in prison, but no suffering can atone for what they’ve done. The way her stepmother smirked when they arrested her on the plane made me sick. May they rot in hell.

The saddest thing as others say, is that in another few years there will be a similar case in the headlines, there always seems to be a catalogue of errors leading to a poor child’s death. I think all around Sara should have done better, but ultimately two evil, devious people managed to evade everyone.

So have parents. But it doesn't stop some of them committing atrocious crimes like this!

The state has a duty of care to those children.

I think she is saying that parents are not (mostly) equipped to educate. That's why teachers are trained and constantly monitored.

I mean on 'paper' they done thingsright. But they could 'accidentally' spill a bit of water on her hijab and get her to remove it that way for example. Bit unorthodox maybebut if they are really that concerned that's what I would do.

Still in Pakistan. Why have the government not demanded their return.

It's a psychological term called bystander apathy.

ah. Yes I can see the issue

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgedlr7qg1o.amp

Lessons are never learned. It's the same story again and again and again.

They didn't tell SS she was pulled out. Bc she was 'happy' on the morning notice was handed in.

I thought they did report it? There was an investigation, social services told the school to monitor and then the dad pulled her out of school.

Cuts to all sorts of services combined with an absolute determination that parents have the right to try and being up their child regardless of their known tendency to violence