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Feels like I'm losing the kids

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HandOld · 01/11/2024 09:37

My boys are 6 and 3.

My husband can be a total arsehole. I'm really trying to find the strength to leave. There is just a lot of logistical things that feel impossible.

I said something he didn't like just now and he was "fucks sake this and that" "fuck off" "don't fucking ignore me" "your life is collapsing" "you got a fucking huge ego on you" all in frotn of the kids. I'm just ignoring him as don't want hom to shout anymore in frotn of them so trying not to antagonise. He says "I'm not shouting. Get a fucking grip" etc.

I apologised and he calmed down. And both boys went on the sofa and cuddled H and he started cooinh over them and giving them sweets and H glared at me and ive left them downstairs. And now I'm all alone upstairs

If I leave I'm going to lose my boys. They think he's so cool and fun. I'm meant to be working in 30 mins and I can't stop crying. They love him so much and he's so nice to them. But he's so cruel to me. I just can see them staying with him and I'll be alone and they'll hate me.

I know this isn't an AIBU but I'm in so much pain. I feel like I can't breath. I don't know what to do.

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Ozanj · 01/11/2024 10:02

BeMintBee · 01/11/2024 09:58

I don’t think “manipulating” kids who are already experiencing domestic abuse is good advice.

kids need love, security and boundaries not a double head fuck by two different parents.

With all due respect you have no idea what it’s like living with an emotionally and verbally abusive man who uses the kids like this. You often need to do whatever it takes to ensure the kids’ welfare

ATastingMenuButItsAllCrisps · 01/11/2024 09:59

They don't like the man, they're having trauma inflicted on them and are desperately appeasing their abuser.
Their developing brains will be flooded with cortisol, read up on how this impacts people for life.

BeMintBee · 01/11/2024 09:58

Ozanj · 01/11/2024 09:55

  1. Do not apologise when it isn’t your fault. Seeing you say sorry makes the kids think it’s your fault. If you need to leave an argument tell him you will not speak to him when he’s swearing at you and walk away. I assume he doesn’t hit you but if he does then you should leave with the kids now for a women’s shelter.
  2. Seek legal advice. Solicitors will often advise you to find out as much about the family finances as possible before filing for divorce. For custody if you don’t work and he does then you will automatically start with more custody at this age with the view of it turning to 50/50. But often it’s better for you to start at 50/50 so you can find work. If you’re worried about him poisoning the kids against you then the solicitor can give you advice about that too as the court system takes a dim view of this.
  3. Start preparing to leave him. Let close / trusted friends and family know and try to get their help. If you work and have your own money begin to look at rental properties - estate agents often have special procedures for vulnerable people like you and will keep all correspondance at the shop if required.
  4. This is a bit sneaky but imo start building an amazing 1-2-1 relationship with the kids as you plan to leave. Manipulate them into thinking you’re the best parent by giving in (temporarily) to what they want, giving lots of cuddles, taking them out, doing special things with just you. Kids aren’t stupid. When they realise mum can be just as fun and lovely as dad (but without the shouting and swearing) they will naturally come to prefer you. Don’t fall into the trap of being strict with them because he’s indulgent.

I don’t think “manipulating” kids who are already experiencing domestic abuse is good advice.

kids need love, security and boundaries not a double head fuck by two different parents.

Ozanj · 01/11/2024 09:55
  1. Do not apologise when it isn’t your fault. Seeing you say sorry makes the kids think it’s your fault. If you need to leave an argument tell him you will not speak to him when he’s swearing at you and walk away. I assume he doesn’t hit you but if he does then you should leave with the kids now for a women’s shelter.
  2. Seek legal advice. Solicitors will often advise you to find out as much about the family finances as possible before filing for divorce. For custody if you don’t work and he does then you will automatically start with more custody at this age with the view of it turning to 50/50. But often it’s better for you to start at 50/50 so you can find work. If you’re worried about him poisoning the kids against you then the solicitor can give you advice about that too as the court system takes a dim view of this.
  3. Start preparing to leave him. Let close / trusted friends and family know and try to get their help. If you work and have your own money begin to look at rental properties - estate agents often have special procedures for vulnerable people like you and will keep all correspondance at the shop if required.
  4. This is a bit sneaky but imo start building an amazing 1-2-1 relationship with the kids as you plan to leave. Manipulate them into thinking you’re the best parent by giving in (temporarily) to what they want, giving lots of cuddles, taking them out, doing special things with just you. Kids aren’t stupid. When they realise mum can be just as fun and lovely as dad (but without the shouting and swearing) they will naturally come to prefer you. Don’t fall into the trap of being strict with them because he’s indulgent.
Coastallife36385 · 01/11/2024 09:52

You are not losing them, so there is no need to cry over yourself anymore.

Now do what’s best for them and for you and get away from their abusive father.

BeMintBee · 01/11/2024 09:47

You should consider the trauma they are experiencing in these moments and use it to fortify your strength to leave

BeMintBee · 01/11/2024 09:46

Look up fight flight freeze fawn. You’re not losing the kids they are displaying a fawn response to an abusive situation. They are young but already learning to protect themselves by fawning and appeasing the person who is a threat.

takealettermsjones · 01/11/2024 09:43

Oh goodness. Well for starters I'm glad you know you have to leave. Who do you have supporting you - parents, siblings, friends? Do they know what's going on? Now's the time to lean on them for moral support.

I would try to respond to H saying these things by just repeating broken-record statements like "it's not ok to speak to me like that," "I'm not listening to you if you can't be civil" etc. It's not engaging with him and it's modelling to your kids that we don't put up with this.

Definitely leave as soon as you can. You won't lose them. You will also be a cool, fun parent when you don't have this awful ball and chain around your neck!

BabyCloud · 01/11/2024 09:41

They are 3 and 6 - They do not have any say in the matter!! You are their parent and have to do what’s best for them so take some control back.

You’re more likely to lose them if you stay because they’ll grow up speaking to you and other women the same way their dad does.

Do you have any family you can go to when he’s at work? Call a domestic abuse charity for their advice? You need to do something asap.