The NI changes are going to cost my organisation £1000 per employee

There's always a silver lining!!

The Tories knew they were going to lose this election and effectively poisoned the chalice by reducing taxes coming up to the change over in April this year (NI went from 10% to 8%). The books were in deficit and the Tories made them more so. What is Labour supposed to do, really? At the very least they needed to reverse the NI change but that would also have been unpopular, exactly as the Tories intended it to be. So they are taxing in a different part of the chain. The Tories have killed off so much of our local amenities here- we lost libraries- our museum, there were council sell off of historical assets just to try balancing the books. These things are so easy to lose but so hard to bring back, but it's hard to see in the abstract. The loss of the sure start centres is a big one.

I don't really base my political opinions on what people on mumsnet say, half of them are bots and trolls as it is.

I've worked in the charity sector for 30 years. We had all this weeping and wailing when the nmw was introduced- that really hit hard as charities and their supporters are generally more than happy to pay and treat their staff like shit to ensure that every possible penny goes toward whatever good cause they serve.

So now charities will have to make some hard choices and maybe some of the crappy ones will go to the wall. Tough cheese. If people really support the cause then they'll have dig a little deeper into their pockets - or we'll have to do without. Maybe public services can pick up some of the slack if they're not quite so cash strapped?

Amd if they'd done that, this thread would have been full of how everyone with any money and all the big businesses were leaving the country.

They could have taken this money from the wealthiest but are too scared of the Mail and Murdoch to do this

The 70s called and want your tax advice back. Those tax rates led to capital flight and a brain drain.

I said upthread, I presumed the money would come from taxing the very rich and large corporations. I also wouldn't have been adverse to increasing income tax across the board.

What I didn't vote for was the decimation of food security and small businesses.

Also, I dont believe I will personally see any improvements in public services or the NHS in at least the next 10 years.

Genuinely interested in knowing where people thought the money to fix the country was going to come from? i feel like people are surprised but the money had to come from somewhere or just see services further run into the ground

How many staff do you have? There are about 15 on our payroll and it's going to cost us around £9,000 extra overall. The extra NI and the lowering of the threshold was slightly counteracted by the increased employment allowance.

We'll be OK though - we can absorb it. There are many organisations that can't and many that shouldn't have to (i.e. providing ancillary services to the NHS, charities, hospices, care providers, etc).

Yeah. We own the property so hopefully at least will be able to sell that for development.

No it doesn't, the NHS is exempt from this rise

@Branananmakes sense! DPs is a vet practice so very easy to get a big company to buy it (then whack up prices) - vets will never not make money given peoples love for pets…
Really sorry you’re in this situation - it’s shit

They said they werent going to increase taxes on working people. The reality is that they have and are increasing taxes on working people. They have been disengenuous (or dim) to have said otherwise. The problem was they made a pledge in the election that they couldn't possibly keep.

Frankly typical of any politician. If they would be honest with the electorate rather than using semantics I think the public would have more respect. They haven't been straight with people.

Or a bit less for their fat cat bosses on their 6 figure salaries.

I appreciate what people say about national insurance increasing costs for employers. However I think for too long employers have relied on paying rock bottom. Then tax credits/ universal credit would pick up the slack. That money has to come from somewhere. I work for the LA (full time) and get a small amount of UC. Lots of people do, bin lorry drivers with an HGV licence working 38 hours a week gross pay is just under 25k. The loaders 23k. Aviva is a massive employer locally. normal salary in call centre of 23.5k 37.5 hours a week. The vast majority of jobs I see locally advertised are a kick in the arse above min wage. I don’t think people can live off these salaries if they have families to support.

Can’t afford to buy a house, stuck in an expensive rental, claiming housing element of UC. The employer benefits from cheap labour, the landlord benefits from his asset being paid for by someone else. The state is forking out. The answer to me, long term, would be social housing and lots of it, reduce the cost of housing and make life more affordable for many. If you cut housing costs lots of people wouldn’t need to claim UC. It is fair that employers pay their share too.

Or put that towards to 20% VAT rise for private schools?

Ours is super niche.

Tell me one of the lies because I keep hearing this, but haven't yet been told what one of them was?

No budget was going to universally popular, but this one does seem sensible to me. Obviously there was always going to be a problem trying to sort out the public finances and I don't think for a minute this will be a magic wand in that respect, but it makes sense, is properly funded and at least attempts to protect the most vulnerable. A breathe of fresh air IMO.

Where to start with this? 14 years of Tory cuts to the NHS and this is the best you can come up with?

Really? I’d be interested to know what business they run! My Dp contacted a company last night and they’ve already confirmed receipt and said they’ll be in touch by middle of next week with an offer…

@Papyrophile

They don't have any the public sector is exempt.

What will happen though is care providers and gp practices will struggle causing further bottle necks in the NHS.

They are looking into the affects of the unintended consequences that become apparent as the changes are implemented.

It's a traditional labour budget - what else did you expect? I expected it to be way worse to be honest. Im not a labour supporter - but even i thought they would be worse. They were always going to tax - i knew they lied in their manifesto to get elected - of course they would. How else would they get elected?

I said, it will be painful. Social care is getting more extra money than the increase will cost them though.

That does not mean, local authorities will pay increased fees to third parties though, does it? Care homes wouldn’t be closing and care agencies wouldn’t be handing contracts back, if local authorities funded inflation rises as it is - but they don’t!

IMO, saying it will be “painful” doesn’t cut it; when it’s the most vulnerable paying for these increases through cuts in their care, pushing their lives to a cliff edge!

It won't work out like that though, for the majority anyway (OBR). The cost will be past on to employees, or customers.