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The NI changes are going to cost my organisation £1000 per employee

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flashbac · 01/11/2024 06:41

The NI changes are going to cost my organisation on average £1000 per employee, The lowering of the threshold alone is going to cost around £600 extra per employee.

We are heavily regulated with fixed income. We're a not for profit. Our customers expectations are increasing. We are now most likely going to have to somehow reduce our headcount now, and payrises for April are going to be off the table.

Just shaking my head really. Our employees don't deserve this. Hard to see how this isn't a tax on jobs.

The lowering of the threshold also means employers have to pay for more workers, because part time salaries are now dragged into it.

A lot of people reading this won't care. All I can say is this NI increase will also affect you. just think about Local authorities, childcare providers and other services. Do you think it won't affect your Councils services/tax bills, to give one example?

(I'm not a Tory bot btw, before anyone starts accusing me of being one. I voted Remain, don't support the Tories at all, can't stand Boris and his cronies.)

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Brananan · 01/11/2024 10:04

MumofCandR · 01/11/2024 10:01

Because the fact is it doesn't impact hugely, people are trying to gain political mileage and therefore clutch at straws- remember when NI was 13.25% under Rishi? Oh yes, it was 2 years ago, lest you may have forgotten....

If you think this doesn't impact businesses hugely, you know very little. But the government seems the same, so you are in company at least.

MrsPeregrine · 01/11/2024 10:02

BadForBusiness · 01/11/2024 07:44

What lie did they tell?

Are you serious?

Brananan · 01/11/2024 10:02

Presumably what they've done to farms is part of a plan, rather than ignorance? And if it's part of a plan, presumably that plan is solar parks and housing.

Solar parks while flying in the food we need.

Or apparently China are very keen to buy land in the UK to grow rice for export to China due to global warming, so I guess that could be part of the plan.

Greyrocked · 01/11/2024 10:02

If you are a small charity or company ensure you are claiming employment allowance if you're eligible (government subsidy to help cover NI costs).

MumofCandR · 01/11/2024 10:01

295bkq · 01/11/2024 09:04

If I had a business that employed people, I’d be selling it off right away. This budget was disgraceful - hit a minority of people very hard, kept the majority happy. I don’t know why people can’t see that.

Because the fact is it doesn't impact hugely, people are trying to gain political mileage and therefore clutch at straws- remember when NI was 13.25% under Rishi? Oh yes, it was 2 years ago, lest you may have forgotten....

Sunbeam01 · 01/11/2024 10:01

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Jealously is rife.

FiveFoxes · 01/11/2024 09:59

Didimum · 01/11/2024 09:31

There’s an article on the BBC on the exemptions – you are welcome to go and look it up.

Council employees come under public sector. I’m sure the nuances will become clear, just as the Department for Health and Social Care have said they will for GPs, care homes and hospices.

The majority of councils have been raising council tax to the cap year on year anyway. Nothing new there. Will have to await news on if caps will be raised.

So you don't have evidence.

According to LGA, Councils are not necessarily exempt, they are seeking clarification. Town and Parish Councils are definitely not exempt nor are they covered by the cap as their precepts are separate.

All have to pay the increase in NMW as well.

If the country improves, I am all for tax rises. But I just want people to remember that they will be passed on to everyone, no matter what Labour says about Working people.

Kitte321 · 01/11/2024 09:59

Labour could have made different choices. They didn’t need to offer huge pay deals with no agreement on productivity increases or modernisation. They could have completely revolutionised the tax bandings to avoid cliff edges, whilst increases percentages across all bands. They could have done a lot of things…..

What they have done to farmers is appalling and nothing short of a land grab. Changing NI bandings will result in those burdens being redistributed to consumers and employees.

Take nurseries for example - how will they cope? The sector is already in disarray and barely sustainable.

Labour have got this wrong. The money could have come from a million other places. What they have done is resign us to wage stagnation, low growth, poor quality and expensive childcare without fixing any of the real issues in the NHS. Talk about building a house on sand.

BIossomtoes · 01/11/2024 09:58

Brananan · 01/11/2024 09:57

Covid and Brexit fucked the Tories.

The Tories fucked the Tories. Remember Truss?

MumofCandR · 01/11/2024 09:58

Part time workers should be pulled in - the issue has been with employers using this loophole to cut costs and increase profits. If the margin is this slim, is it even a viable venture - surely that's the question that should be asked. If the organisation is reliant on such small margins is it sustainable? Clearly not.

Brananan · 01/11/2024 09:58

Anything in the budget about immigration?

Brananan · 01/11/2024 09:57

Parker231 · 01/11/2024 09:55

The Tories and unfunded spending is why Labour are having to make such difficult choices

Covid and Brexit fucked the Tories.

MrsPeregrine · 01/11/2024 09:57

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What a stupid comment.

Brananan · 01/11/2024 09:56

BIossomtoes · 01/11/2024 09:53

And your point is?

I was originally replying to the poster discussing workers rights from day 1, which is a pain for employers if you end up with someone unsuitable. There is a way around it, you can still have a probationary period.

Parker231 · 01/11/2024 09:55

CoralReader · 01/11/2024 07:35

Now is a good time to start supporting the tories then

The Tories and unfunded spending is why Labour are having to make such difficult choices

Chersfrozenface · 01/11/2024 09:55

Brananan · 01/11/2024 09:51

The idea is that you can employ them for 2 months to ensure they aren't useless, then employ them fully.

I thought that was what a probationary period was for.

The Employment Rights Bill does have clauses on probationary periods.

amIloud · 01/11/2024 09:54

Public services are so inefficient. So much in savings could be made if the NHS was run properly. It's all a mess.

BIossomtoes · 01/11/2024 09:53

Brananan · 01/11/2024 09:51

The idea is that you can employ them for 2 months to ensure they aren't useless, then employ them fully.

And your point is?

Brananan · 01/11/2024 09:51

Diaryfear · 01/11/2024 09:51

Oh and yet you're engaging with the discussion in parts?

Yep.

Moonshiners · 01/11/2024 09:51

Fairyliz · 01/11/2024 06:55

I wondered about this. If the NHS employs 1.5 million won’t the extra money Labour put into it go on increased NI contributions?

Well they put it in and then they get it straight back so it doesn't cost the government anything. It does mean that the increase into the NHS need to take this into account as actually some of it will go straight out again

SassK · 01/11/2024 09:51

DogInATent · 01/11/2024 09:21

The NHS employs fewer managers than is the average in the private sector. If anything, the NHS suffers from having too few managers and expecting frontline staff to carry out management functions that take then away from frontline duties.

This tired old trope of "the NHS has too many managers" is a slogan trotted out by idiots people that haven't a clue what management is, and have no idea how the NHS functions.

I was with the NHS for 20 years. My husband works a specialist NHS role with a team (an amazing team) of staff he's required to manage (he does an actual job though - a very busy, heavily pressured job - managing is just an add on). I can emphatically say that the NHS IS absolutely top heavy with management. There is also an issue with staff for whom skills have staled, and they're just biding their time to pension.

In terms of the budget, I'm a bit fed up of hearing people say the money has to come from somewhere - there WERE other options. Another concern is how reliant Rachel Reeves appears to be on the advice of third party institutions (who are often wrong in their predictions). Disappointing too that Labour has canned the planned change to child benefit (ie the plan to make fairer the high income threshold for single income households).

I want to give Labour a chance, but this budget misses the mark on several levels.

Diaryfear · 01/11/2024 09:51

Brananan · 01/11/2024 09:46

I don't really base my political opinions on what people on mumsnet say, half of them are bots and trolls as it is.

Oh and yet you're engaging with the discussion in parts?

Brananan · 01/11/2024 09:51

BIossomtoes · 01/11/2024 09:50

Sure they will. I spent the last (and most lucrative) decade of my career as a contractor. There are plenty of very skilled and excellent people working short term.

The idea is that you can employ them for 2 months to ensure they aren't useless, then employ them fully.

WestwardHo1 · 01/11/2024 09:50

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What a fucking spiteful pig ignorant comment.

Edit: Unless it was in jest.

BIossomtoes · 01/11/2024 09:50

flashbac · 01/11/2024 08:34

Nobody is going to apply for a 2 month contract unless very desperate or has limited skills or experience.

Sure they will. I spent the last (and most lucrative) decade of my career as a contractor. There are plenty of very skilled and excellent people working short term.