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Those who believe MN is more leftists, what makes you think so?

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ItTook8WibesToKnow7WasEnough · 31/10/2024 16:08

Because to me MN has always come off much more right / conservative.

So, if you can point out what makes it so leftist.

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TheHateIsNotGood · 01/11/2024 22:13

Not really, but possibly a bit London-centric which is hardly surprising as great volumes of people live there and there's a lot more 'stuff' going on.

The little voices coming and reporting from the nether regions are easily squashed down under any wave of disagreement that emanates from the 'power-base'.

Papyrophile · 01/11/2024 22:06

Yes, they ended up talking on 30 day only threads.

Barbadossunset · 01/11/2024 21:39

There's nothing stopping like minded people who are sad that the last governnment lost the election from starting their own series.

Pointythings Any thread with posts regretting the last government lost the last election would be overrun by anti Tory posters very quickly - as you well know.
There are quite a few posters who police political threads very thoroughly in order to censure any pro Tory or anti Labour posts.
Iirc at the time of the EU referendum there were some pro Brexit posters who tried to start their own thread but this was discovered and overrun by anti Brexit posters very quickly.

Papyrophile · 01/11/2024 21:30

Officially I don't have an opinion on Brexit as I was so caught up in the arguments that I could not decide on referendum day. I asked my DS17 (three weeks too young to have his own vote) how he would like me to vote, and he told me. So I voted for what he wanted, as he will live with the consequences longer than me.

I voted (my first ever vote) in 1974 to continue membership of the EEC which I still believe was a brilliant concept. By the time of Maastricht, when the EEC turned into a movement towards political union and huge enlargement (mainly driven by careerist politicians seeking ever greater wider powers over a whole continent) I was concerned (not worried) about the ambitions of the EU Commission, and how individuals might express reservations.

Tony Blair's blithe opening of the borders to all residents of the 2005 accession countries (which France, Germany and the Netherlands did not do) brought a wave of young, energetic East Europeans keen to earn West European wages and ready to work. Their competence and willingness showed the shortcomings of the UK's education and training. Need a qualified nurse? A plumber? An au pair? A chef? A waitress? I have the person: their English is just okay, but they will learn quickly. And they did. Usually with a smile. And now those pioneers have found their feet and partners and made their stake in life (as my closest friends and family did in the ME in the 1970s) they're ready to return with the ideas they have gained to build their own countries for their futures. I still believe it's progress. But over population and climate change......

User135644 · 01/11/2024 20:43

Locutus2000 · 01/11/2024 19:13

Regarding the OP - Mumsnet seems to be like the BBC. Rightwing people think it's too left leaning, and leftwing people think it's too right leaning. Independent analysis shows it's pretty neutral overall.

The BBC has a social liberal bias (hence disliked by the right). It's also very establishment biased (hence disliked by the left as well).

Locutus2000 · 01/11/2024 20:16

AndThereSheGoes · 01/11/2024 19:36

She will debate all comers though. The going is always tough. I guess she might actually have to go out at some point but I don't think it's because a load of gobshites are having a go.

Whataboutery is not debate.

EasternStandard · 01/11/2024 19:56

CurlewKate · 01/11/2024 19:42

Wasn't there once a Brexit supporting poster who always had to go and decorate a cake at tricky moments?

Given how those threads go I don't blame them

CurlewKate · 01/11/2024 19:42

Wasn't there once a Brexit supporting poster who always had to go and decorate a cake at tricky moments?

Julen7 · 01/11/2024 19:41

AndThereSheGoes · 01/11/2024 19:36

She will debate all comers though. The going is always tough. I guess she might actually have to go out at some point but I don't think it's because a load of gobshites are having a go.

Yes agree with you. I guess we all have to go out at some point!

AndThereSheGoes · 01/11/2024 19:36

Julen7 · 01/11/2024 19:02

Oh does she, ok fair enough 😀

She will debate all comers though. The going is always tough. I guess she might actually have to go out at some point but I don't think it's because a load of gobshites are having a go.

SpoonHeader · 01/11/2024 19:17

BjornTheFellHanded · 01/11/2024 14:10

The traditional left/right political divide, with its rigid categorizations and binary labels, feels increasingly ill-suited to the complexities of our modern world. This framework, born from historical class struggles and ideologies, simply cannot encapsulate the intricate web of social, economic, and environmental issues we face today. Such a simplistic division forces individuals to align with predefined “sides” that often fail to address the nuanced, multifaceted nature of most issues. In reality, people’s perspectives are usually far more complex, varied, and contradictory than a binary political spectrum can represent. By framing every issue as a left- or right-leaning matter, we strip away the potential for thoughtful, individual analysis and end up with a framework that inhibits rather than enhances dialogue and problem-solving.

Moreover, the insistence on framing problems within a left/right debate breeds division, pitting people against one another based on arbitrary labels instead of encouraging collaboration. This polarisation can make it nearly impossible for individuals to engage meaningfully with diverse perspectives, as they are pressured to take “sides” rather than approach each issue on its own merits. Many people, when thinking and talking outside of political labels, would likely find they share common ground on individual issues, but the left/right binary obscures this potential for unity. If we moved beyond this outdated framework and approached issues independently of any political spectrum, there would be more room for dialogue, constructive debate, and solutions that better reflect the complexity and diversity of human thought and experience.

This.

Locutus2000 · 01/11/2024 19:13

Regarding the OP - Mumsnet seems to be like the BBC. Rightwing people think it's too left leaning, and leftwing people think it's too right leaning. Independent analysis shows it's pretty neutral overall.

Julen7 · 01/11/2024 19:02

PandoraSox · 01/11/2024 18:57

To be fair, when the going gets tough Clav usually says she has to go out!🙂

Mumsnet doesn't really like us naming and discussing posters when they are not present, so I'll say nothing further.

Oh does she, ok fair enough 😀

EasternStandard · 01/11/2024 19:00

Julen7 · 01/11/2024 18:53

Not sure what you mean. She deserves a medal for all the times she has been rounded on and not lost it.

Yep. This the amount of people taking swipes, if people can't see that and post that quote or whatever, is it because they are part of it, maybe

PandoraSox · 01/11/2024 18:57

Julen7 · 01/11/2024 18:53

Not sure what you mean. She deserves a medal for all the times she has been rounded on and not lost it.

To be fair, when the going gets tough Clav usually says she has to go out!🙂

Mumsnet doesn't really like us naming and discussing posters when they are not present, so I'll say nothing further.

Julen7 · 01/11/2024 18:53

Not sure what you mean. She deserves a medal for all the times she has been rounded on and not lost it.

pointythings · 01/11/2024 18:52

Locutus2000 · 01/11/2024 18:47

Cutting and pasting is not that difficult.

Well, quite. It would be different if Clav ever said what SHE actually thinks of the issues under discussion, but all we get is a screed of cut and paste, much of it over a decade old and not very relevant. That's hardly heroic.

In terms of 'work more hours' as a solution - that's privilege talking, operating on the assumption that it's possible or even easy for everyone to do.

Locutus2000 · 01/11/2024 18:48

iamtheblcksheep · 01/11/2024 15:14

For me it’s the constant barrage of abuse anybody gets for suggesting someone works more hours if they are struggling for money.

Because there are usually a bunch of reasons the 'someone' can not do so.

Locutus2000 · 01/11/2024 18:47

Julen7 · 01/11/2024 18:00

Honestly she deserves a medal.

Cutting and pasting is not that difficult.

pointythings · 01/11/2024 18:45

CurlewKate · 01/11/2024 18:14

@SoporificLettuce
"So given both of the above I would say that contributors on MN definitely tend to be anti Christian and prochoice, therefore left wing"

I absolutely disagree with your assertion that being anti Christian (I think you might actually mean either anti religion, or atheist, which are very different things) or pro choice is the preserve of the Left.

I agree. Branding people as 'anti Christian' for not agreeing with some manifestations of Christianity is a gross simplification and a manifestation of the victim mentality some people have.

I'm an atheist. I'm completely in favour of people having the freedom to choose and live their faith. I just want that faith to keep its nose out of my life, hence I want laws that are made based on secular tenets, and I want religion and government properly separated. No Bishops in the HoL, no invoking any religious ideas when debating new laws. The laws of a nation should be there for everyone, not just the majority group of the faithful. And yes, that means I 100% oppose ALL religiously founded regimes, no matter what the faith in question.

It is also not the case that being pro choice is the preserve of the left. Plenty of right wing people on MN support the right to choose. People are complicated.

Locutus2000 · 01/11/2024 18:44

Aduvetday · 01/11/2024 13:53

It’s left leaning. There is a group of prolific posters. They are open about being pensioners/benefits claimants. This have all day to post and take over threads. They do so, sneering at people. Even if they’ve never voted Tory in their lives! Anyone with a bit of money or successful job is often called a Tory bot. People’s genuine concerns mocked. Sneering language to anyone who comes across as working class and has other political concerns which don’t fit the left narrative. Everyone knows it goes on and if you don’t maybe you are part of the Starmer fan club.

You don't do irony, clearly.

CurlewKate · 01/11/2024 18:14

@SoporificLettuce
"So given both of the above I would say that contributors on MN definitely tend to be anti Christian and prochoice, therefore left wing"

I absolutely disagree with your assertion that being anti Christian (I think you might actually mean either anti religion, or atheist, which are very different things) or pro choice is the preserve of the Left.

SoporificLettuce · 01/11/2024 18:06

LoveSandbanks · 31/10/2024 18:41

How is being left anti Christian?

for that matter, where does it talk about terminating a pregnancy in the Bible?

Jesus said feed the poor, surely left leaning is more Christian?

As a Christian, my experience of many other contributors on MN is that they tend to be very negative, mocking, sneering etc. towards Christianity.

However, MNHQ have recently added a Christian Mumsnetters board, which I welcome as a ‘safe space’ for Christians to chat about issues in which we are interested.

On the abortion issue MN is absolutely prochoice, both in terms of the majority of contributors and MNHQ. Prolife contributions must be very carefully written to avoid being deleted by MNHQ moderators.

So given both of the above I would say that contributors on MN definitely tend to be anti Christian and prochoice, therefore left wing.

MNHQ is not anti Christian but is definitely prochoice.

Julen7 · 01/11/2024 18:00

EasternStandard · 01/11/2024 17:58

Of course she can. She can deal with multiple posters mocking etc in a way most would lose it at

I think some can't see it though as shown by replies and that quote.

Honestly she deserves a medal.

Moonshiners · 01/11/2024 17:58

What a strange comment. I know hundreds of people and lead a very active work and social life with people from a huge variety of backgrounds. I've lived in about five different cities worked in many different jobs and nobody has openly ever been anti abortion. Ive just had aook and current studies show that only about 6% of the population are anti-abortion. It's a pretty rare thing to believe in. Where is 87% of people are pro abortion. You're very much in the minority.

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