Those who believe MN is more leftists, what makes you think so?

U OK hun?

The leftists are louder, for sure. I bet a lot do what I do - roll eyes and scroll past the viciousness because there's no talking to them.

I've been mostly left-leaning all my life, and still am, in terms of views that were normal 10-15 years ago. But I loathe the group think, the shutting down of dissent, the flat out refusal to consider another point of view, the silencing, the sneering, the guilt by association, the purity spirals and the hateful identity politics. It's just a cesspit.

And so I think those on the right or in the centre are quietly rolling their eyes and saying little.

Is it just? Tbh, I find the alarmingly prevelent idea that in order to be ‘on the keft’ you have to agree 100% with a number preset ideas and dogmas one of the more unpleasant aspects of contemporary politics.

Believing in the reality that sex is immutable and there are times that sex really really matters to protect the rights of women & girls and believing that children should be protected from harming their bodies makes one right wing does it?

Well I never.

I think people just tend to be in their own bubbles IRL and they see what surprises them on here.

I feel like it's very right wing - so many thread ore election scaremongering about Labour - but then most of my social circle is very left wing.

And I was going to mention how it's wild that if you believe in biological reality, that you can't change sex, and that sex trumps gender ideology in situations you must be aligned with the 'far right', as a few posters (like yourself) pop up with now and again. Laughable.

Yes NHS and Education are unionized and left wing. Many work for both of these and are left wing. Hence labour shortages! Lots of people don’t want to join them and put up with the office politics. Just nicer to work with like minded people. So on here politics, economics, education and general jealousy is left wing.

Left leaning and intellectually elitist.
Far right, scum, bigots, fascists, racists, thick, knuckle draggers are all terms I hear all the time on here re white working class people that I don't hear anywhere else. Apart from perhaps the government.

But on the subject of trans people, as right wing as southern states of America.

Yeah I debated commenting on this in my post above. I think it's one of the reasons for the general swing to the right on here over the past few years.

Erm if you mean private sector love Starmer, I'd agree but I can guarantee the overwhelming majority of NHS workers and teachers are left wing.

Oh I don't know, I've been hear donkeys years, I've seen plenty of anger about flying, plenty from tree huggers and tree slaughters and many who think trees are great but that one needs to come down type thing.
I think the whole Brexit debacle saw more vocal discussions, both left and right.
I think there is less fencing sitting now, there were a lot more splintered bottoms a decade ago.

I’ve always thought it was more left leaning on human rights / public services (views on abortion, NHS, and eduction) and right leaning on financial/political matters (tax & Govt borrowing)

Based on polling, only around 6% of British population are against abortion, and they're more likely to be men than women, so I don't think abortion views are a good metric for ascertaining if someone if left or right wing by UK standards.

Looking at the voting intention polls that are posted before elections, versus the election results, Mumsnet is slightly more to the left than the general population, but not remarkably so.

Comments like this do it for me. The left loves to sneer and look down on anyone who doesn't share their views.

I agree with this. It's rare to see an environmental thread or response on here. Lots and lots of posts about where people are jetting off to on holiday though.

How is being left anti Christian?

for that matter, where does it talk about terminating a pregnancy in the Bible?

Jesus said feed the poor, surely left leaning is more Christian?

I think on balance it is more left leaning but maybe that's unconscious bias because so am I. I also read gransnet (yes, I'm old) and that is most definitely left leaning. Anyone who says that all pensioners/baby boomers are Tories would be in for quite the shock.

Compared to the Dutch mum-webforum I often hang around, MN is very right wing. Especially about environmental issues. Not once i’ve read here that people get lectured about flying or other unsustainable lifestyle choices… just once i read some criticism about fast fashion.

because if people post a “right wing” view they’re accused of being a Tory bot!

I've recently come back to MN after a good few years of not engaging at all and I would say it is pretty evenly mixed between right, centrist and left.

People will say it is leftist or right wing in opposition to their own view because of confirmation bias. They gloss over the many posts that lean towards their own views and the ones that disagree stand out - hence the sense of oppositional bias.

It's the same reason left wingers think the BBC is a tory shill and right wingers think it's left leaning socialist nonsense yet every impartial academic study ever has found it to be very centrist and largely unbiased.

I have noticed that MN seems to have become a lot more vicious on both sides but they'll just reflects what has happened in society at large since 2016.

Just look at the long running threads in Chat - Starmer no x threads! They won’t hear a word against Labour, nor a word pro Conservatives.

Loving the labour party and not hearing a bad word said against them all.
Not understanding people's concerns in terms of immigration.