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End of Mat Leave and WFH

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TheNinkyNonkyIsATardis · 31/10/2024 12:33

Hi all

I returned from Mat Leave after 10 months in August, with my husband doing the last two months as SPL. My son is now in nursery three days a week, and we both work five days compressed into four.

I completely underestimated the impact of returning to work, because before my husband was caring for our child in our house. The adjustment is hard, and I went back full time cold turkey.

My office requires 40% attendance, the nearest offices are 2h away. They removed this requirement and barred me from the office when I was pregnant due to high risk factors, so I haven't been in for months. My team has always had below-target attendance because it really doesn't suit our tasks.

WIBU to now ask for a phased return in the form of WFH whilst I'm still breastfeeding?

It's the thing that really causes issues because I can't express (I've really tried but it takes over an hour to produce one measly feed!), and I can't be back to feed my son without turning back practically after I arrived.

Whenever I have attended the offices in the past, 9/10 either the person I have come to meet has cancelled and attended virtually, or they've cancelled altogether.

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Hankunamatata · 31/10/2024 15:47

TheNinkyNonkyIsATardis · 31/10/2024 15:25

Oh, and the new, very confidential workload was totally unforeseeable. I'm working in a silo of one on that. Only four people in a company of 500+ are aware of it even, and I don't need to collaborate with anyone for it (quite the opposite, I need to knuckle down and do it!).

Surely this type of work will be enough to argue a set period of wfh until the project is finished

TheNinkyNonkyIsATardis · 31/10/2024 15:43

The one issue with the nature of the work point is that it could be considered more or less permanent.

Now to REALLY complicate things I actually have an OH report stating that I'm better off WFH where possible :D

I know I could just "lean on" that, but it feels dishonest, given it's not the issue!

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TheNinkyNonkyIsATardis · 31/10/2024 15:41

Yes, I used FWR.

If I'd anticipated better, I'd have put the start date of the compressed hours in from January, and have used holiday to do 4 days per week phased return. But as I didn't, I'd like to offer a temporary and informal arrangement up until January.

The one risk I don't want to run is to not show up at the office until Jan and have to make up the 40% attendance in a massive block.

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ItTook9Years · 31/10/2024 15:36

Personally, I think the nature of the work grounds are stronger.

ItTook9Years · 31/10/2024 15:35

Did you use a FWR to compress your hourrs, OP?

TheNinkyNonkyIsATardis · 31/10/2024 15:34

ItTook9Years · 31/10/2024 15:26

Would a compromise be for you to work at the more local office instead?

I think that's definitely a more viable option. I'm also happy to be permanently moved there if they want (people in my team are automatically put on the London office with London weighting regardless of where they live in the country unless they actively state a preference for the nearer office... It would save them and me money and time to put me on the more local office!)

Thank you for your advice on this. As I said, I like to be honest, and part of the request is about the convenience to me/phased return.

However, do you genuinely think I ought to stick to the business grounds?

I have worked on the other side of this myself in the past from HR/WFH management etc, and I always appreciated the honesty and clarity of what people wanted.

(The org has entirely obvious issues with WFH which I won't go into here, so part of this comes from me really wanting to give them some pointers about how to make it ACTUALLY work...)

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ItTook9Years · 31/10/2024 15:34

Donutofdoooooom · 31/10/2024 15:30

Another HR person here, I think given that your mat leave cover was WFH the entire time you were on leave, it gives a really strong case to say why is it even a requirement for you to be working in the office?

I'd put it all down in a flexi working request and state that it may only be needed until January, which again is an even bigger reason for it to be approved as it's such a minor adjustment for a short period. They'd need to have a really clear case to say no IMO.

Presumably that was because the office was shut for some reason.

Donutofdoooooom · 31/10/2024 15:30

Another HR person here, I think given that your mat leave cover was WFH the entire time you were on leave, it gives a really strong case to say why is it even a requirement for you to be working in the office?

I'd put it all down in a flexi working request and state that it may only be needed until January, which again is an even bigger reason for it to be approved as it's such a minor adjustment for a short period. They'd need to have a really clear case to say no IMO.

ItTook9Years · 31/10/2024 15:27

TheNinkyNonkyIsATardis · 31/10/2024 15:25

Oh, and the new, very confidential workload was totally unforeseeable. I'm working in a silo of one on that. Only four people in a company of 500+ are aware of it even, and I don't need to collaborate with anyone for it (quite the opposite, I need to knuckle down and do it!).

Then that’s the discussion point.

ItTook9Years · 31/10/2024 15:26

Would a compromise be for you to work at the more local office instead?

TheNinkyNonkyIsATardis · 31/10/2024 15:25

Oh, and the new, very confidential workload was totally unforeseeable. I'm working in a silo of one on that. Only four people in a company of 500+ are aware of it even, and I don't need to collaborate with anyone for it (quite the opposite, I need to knuckle down and do it!).

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TheNinkyNonkyIsATardis · 31/10/2024 15:23

ItTook9Years · 31/10/2024 15:07

HR person here.

So you opted not to phase back by using accrued leave, hence the full time from day 1. You’ve then amended your hours to do compressed hours, which is challenging (was this through a FWR?). And then you have the 40% in office, whilst living 2 hours away.

Was none of this foreseeable in terms of impact?

If the work really doesn’t lend itself to 40% of the time being in office, then that is the discussion you need to be having.

Thanks for your response.

In response to the "foreseeable" part - I'm a first time working parent, so yes, to a certain extent I underestimated this.

But it was also masked by the fact that 1) our company offices were shut when I returned and have only just reopened and 2) my husband was caring for my son until a fortnight ago. So he is only now settling into nursery, with all the accompanying bugs etc, and we're finding a routine as a working family.

(If I could do it again, I'd want a longer phase into nursery and I'd use leave to return more slowly, but that's moot now because I can't change the fact that I underestimated the need to phase my return - I've ranted at myself for this aplenty!).

I believe the 40% will be well achievable as above (if not always the best use of my time, but that's by the by, I'm not querying that), however, not yet.

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YouveGotAFastCar · 31/10/2024 15:19

I wouldn't commit to weaning at Christmas.

I thought I'd wean just after one. It didn't happen. It upset DS. I got some aversions but magnesium sorted them out, as it usually does. DS eventually weaned a few months ago, at 2 and three quarters. We'd been talking about it a lot, and he decided he was ready randomly, and I gently held the boundary after that. We got through with no tears or tantrums, it was as gentle as I could have hoped.

ItTook9Years · 31/10/2024 15:07

Matildahoney · 31/10/2024 14:44

You're entitled as a new mum to request flexible working (I really need to read my letter on it) but info should be on the govt website as that's who my letter was from.

OP may have already used that on getting compressed hours.

ItTook9Years · 31/10/2024 15:07

HR person here.

So you opted not to phase back by using accrued leave, hence the full time from day 1. You’ve then amended your hours to do compressed hours, which is challenging (was this through a FWR?). And then you have the 40% in office, whilst living 2 hours away.

Was none of this foreseeable in terms of impact?

If the work really doesn’t lend itself to 40% of the time being in office, then that is the discussion you need to be having.

Matildahoney · 31/10/2024 14:44

You're entitled as a new mum to request flexible working (I really need to read my letter on it) but info should be on the govt website as that's who my letter was from.

teatoast8 · 31/10/2024 14:43

allthemiddlechildrenoftheworld · 31/10/2024 13:20

@TheNinkyNonkyIsATardis what did people do before wfh became a thing??? I think they all managed perfectly well! your baby is nearly one should be being weaned by now.

Babies can breastfeed past 1 ya know

purplebeansprouts · 31/10/2024 14:40

TheNinkyNonkyIsATardis · 31/10/2024 14:07

My plan is that we'll night wean around Christmas when I'm off work, then I'll do one long day in one office, and one short day in the closer one. I planned to do that sooner but a) my current workload is confidential and better done at home and b) the aforementioned issues with breastfeeding/lack of phased return to work.

I do worry that I'm going to ruin it for everyone by diligently querying this, because as I say, my team are probably the lowest attending team in the company!

I think there's a tacit acceptance of this because in most other similar roles in other companies it's 100% WFH, and it's hard to attract the right talent without accepting that.

Other teams naturally work at 80% both because the staff are inclined that way and so is the work.

Sounds good. I'd write that in your request

Pinkpaperclip · 31/10/2024 14:17

allthemiddlechildrenoftheworld · 31/10/2024 13:20

@TheNinkyNonkyIsATardis what did people do before wfh became a thing??? I think they all managed perfectly well! your baby is nearly one should be being weaned by now.

Everyone I have spoken to of my mums age told me how hard it was going back, some even gave up work for it. So no, they didn’t all manage perfectly fine.

Also what are peoples obsessions with baby weaning from breast at 1? it is apparently breast is best then baby gets to 1 and it’s why are you still breastfeeding!

Why are you telling a stranger on the Internet what milk to feed their child.. odd

TheNinkyNonkyIsATardis · 31/10/2024 14:07

purplebeansprouts · 31/10/2024 13:56

Ask but don't bring this up. This is something to bring up once you return to the office. What was your plan for office attendance originally?

Whenever I have attended the offices in the past, 9/10 either the person I have come to meet has cancelled and attended virtually, or they've cancelled altogether

Good luck I hope they approve it for you

My plan is that we'll night wean around Christmas when I'm off work, then I'll do one long day in one office, and one short day in the closer one. I planned to do that sooner but a) my current workload is confidential and better done at home and b) the aforementioned issues with breastfeeding/lack of phased return to work.

I do worry that I'm going to ruin it for everyone by diligently querying this, because as I say, my team are probably the lowest attending team in the company!

I think there's a tacit acceptance of this because in most other similar roles in other companies it's 100% WFH, and it's hard to attract the right talent without accepting that.

Other teams naturally work at 80% both because the staff are inclined that way and so is the work.

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purplebeansprouts · 31/10/2024 13:56

Ask but don't bring this up. This is something to bring up once you return to the office. What was your plan for office attendance originally?

Whenever I have attended the offices in the past, 9/10 either the person I have come to meet has cancelled and attended virtually, or they've cancelled altogether

Good luck I hope they approve it for you

parker380 · 31/10/2024 13:52

I think it’s perfectly reasonable to ask!

Oldermum84 · 31/10/2024 13:42

allthemiddlechildrenoftheworld · 31/10/2024 13:20

@TheNinkyNonkyIsATardis what did people do before wfh became a thing??? I think they all managed perfectly well! your baby is nearly one should be being weaned by now.

They managed as best they could. If there's a better option now for all why should this not be taken?

And can I ask why you feel the baby should be weaned at 1? The WHO recommends continuing to breastfeed until 2 at least.

TheNinkyNonkyIsATardis · 31/10/2024 13:38

allthemiddlechildrenoftheworld · 31/10/2024 13:20

@TheNinkyNonkyIsATardis what did people do before wfh became a thing??? I think they all managed perfectly well! your baby is nearly one should be being weaned by now.

No offence, but this kind of comment is really common in my workplace, and it's almost ALWAYS accompanied by really prejudiced and offensive comments about women on maternity leave or pregnant.

I hope you're not like that in real life, because if so HR should probably have a word.

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TheNinkyNonkyIsATardis · 31/10/2024 13:36

Pinkpaperclip · 31/10/2024 13:03

It’s a huge adjustment period and I think the best thing to do in your case is speak to your work place and be honest. You can ask, they can say yes or no. You will feel a huge weight off by just asking the question

I returned 3 days a week and it is a huge juggle, so I really do understand how full time can be an even bigger adjustment.

If you can afford it, could you go down hours / days?

Thanks - I think the big thing for me is honesty.

I don't like to lie to my employer, or to think that I'm making excuses. I have been honest without making a big deal of things from the start, and I think my line manager appreciates that (they certainly have more than their fair share of childcare issues).

I wouldn't like to go to them only saying "my workload is confidential" or "I feel the need to be closer to my baby whilst he settles into nursery/still feeding frequently", when I would be hiding half of the reason for my request.

We could afford reduced hours in the short term, but I'm not sure work could. There is valuable and necessary work to fit into my day job in the hours I do, they were desperate to have me back and struggled to find someone adequate to the task over my leave (my cover is a nice guy and very empathetic, he has worked from home the entire time I've been off!).

@Beekeepingmum - yes, compressed hours plus a long commute is part of the issue. But I think it's a short term one.

My son is breastfeeding for comfort as much as for food, but I think that's as valid a reason as food? Regardless, WFH means I can give him a quick feed before he departs at 8 and again when I pick him up at 4.

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