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Another budget one. Sorry.

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photodiva · 31/10/2024 09:03

I keep seeing posts about how this budget will be so bad for us all, am I the only one who won't be (personally) directly affected? Or at least, in a negative way?

I get the issues around businesses and NI but I am a civil servant.

I will get a pay rise! Yep, you read that right. I earn NMW so my wages will go up.

And I don't have a 'gold plated ' pension.

I totally get there will be a lot affected but I can't be the only one who benefits can I?

OP posts:
EasternStandard · 31/10/2024 09:49

HeadNorth · 31/10/2024 09:46

I am delighted there is a serious cash backed commitment to investment in our public services - it is long overdue. We need the basic infrastructure of this country to work again. If my wages are depressed over the longer term, so be it. It needs to be funded from somewhere.

And if you’re let go?

morechocolateneededtoday · 31/10/2024 09:47

295bkq · 31/10/2024 09:19

I can't see that this is actually true. There is a thread from a GP whose practice will be hard hit by NMW/NI increased costs. If lots of GPs close their practices, we will all be hurt.

It seems on the face of it to be OK for most of us. But the way that "rich" people are being hit will hurt us all. And just to be clear - I don't think all those hurt in this budget are actually rich. Farmers might be asset rich, but they aren't cash rich - also there is a thread with an 83yo farmer who is considering killing himself before the IHT on farms comes in, in order that his grandson can take over the farm without a crippling/unpayable IHT bill.

And the private school thing, done to death on here, but if you read contributions, you will see that many people are facing serious consequences over this. I have also read a thread where a state sixth form is deluged with private applicants and it will push out state applicants who otherwise would have got in.

I don't really understand the full impact of DC pensions IHT, but I imagine that people are going to be less keen to build a big pension pot.

It's very dangerous to sit back and say that this stuff doesn't affect me/you/the majority IMO. None of it affects me just to be clear. Not yet. And that's the key.

I think it's one of the sneakiest budgets I've seen. Hurting minorities to please the masses.

Couldn’t have said it better than this. And there are enough ignorant posts already where people believe they are not affected because they’re not ‘wealthy’ and delighted that richer are affected.

So many disastrous consequences which are going to hit those with the least hardest in the long term - sadly they’re mostly too short sighted to see it

Dutchhouse14 · 31/10/2024 09:47

I think it's a good budget.
I'm an average earner, DH a high earner and we will basically stay the same-zero changes.
I think they probably put the NI increase onto businesses after the tories tried to bribe voters/scupper prospective Labour government by cutting employees NI contributions just before General Election - The country couldn't afford this so they've had to plug that gap the tories left.

Heatwavenotify · 31/10/2024 09:47

I can’t believe how naive some people are. Of course the budget will affect you. Slower growth. Interest rates. Mortgage anyone? The GP’s, farmers thread yesterday explaining how that will impact them. Every business that employs people will have to consider losing staff, cutting raises, raising costs to be passed on.

Things are going to get a lot more expensive and unemployment will go up. More people will claim benefits. The huge amount of borrowing like never before will affect every decision that is made long after we’ve gone.

The decision to not bring in household income for child benefit will hit single earners.

Lowering the threshold for so many things.

You will be tax more whether directly or by stealth. Crazy to think it won’t affect you.

EasternStandard · 31/10/2024 09:47

bombastix · 31/10/2024 09:42

Tbh it was teed up and presented as affecting those with the broadest shoulders. I don’t know what people expected from a Labour government but it is classic tax and spend, given their manifesto then asset taxes were inevitable. They were elected saying that they wouldn’t increase income tax

I don’t think they really hid what was intended. The IMF have just approved it and the country needs a lot of investment. If it works then Reeves will be in line to be the next PM.

Why is rising taxes where the majority of cost will be passed on to employees the 'broadest shoulders'?

And aside from the fact that people who do run small businesses work, why aren't those employees 'working people'

JadedVeryJaded · 31/10/2024 09:46

Exactly

HeadNorth · 31/10/2024 09:46

I am delighted there is a serious cash backed commitment to investment in our public services - it is long overdue. We need the basic infrastructure of this country to work again. If my wages are depressed over the longer term, so be it. It needs to be funded from somewhere.

Raspberryripple11 · 31/10/2024 09:44

The richest people are the ones who will be most affected by this budget. They’re also the people who own all the media in this country…
I don’t think it’ll affect me at all, and I look forward to the results of increased funding for public services.

Diomi · 31/10/2024 09:42

Nothatgingerpirate · 31/10/2024 09:23

Well, they might not last long in this situation.

Nor will their employees.

bombastix · 31/10/2024 09:42

Tbh it was teed up and presented as affecting those with the broadest shoulders. I don’t know what people expected from a Labour government but it is classic tax and spend, given their manifesto then asset taxes were inevitable. They were elected saying that they wouldn’t increase income tax

I don’t think they really hid what was intended. The IMF have just approved it and the country needs a lot of investment. If it works then Reeves will be in line to be the next PM.

PandoraSox · 31/10/2024 09:40

senua · 31/10/2024 09:14

am I the only one who won't be (personally) directly affected? Or at least, in a negative way?
Wasn't there something about making the Civil Service more productive.

Yep.

"The government is also developing a strategic plan for a more efficient and
effective civil service, including through improving skills and harnessing digital
technology to drive better outcomes for public services"

But OP will be safe. It is usually the older more expensive (and experienced) staff who get culled.

Kitfish · 31/10/2024 09:39

I'm personally unaffected but my children will pay about £1 million more in inheritance tax when my husband and I die. To be honest, I don't begrudge Labour it - if my kids are lucky enough to be left £2 million in pensions they should pay some IHT on it.

Hypermedi · 31/10/2024 09:36

Didn't realise anyone in the civil service earned NMW how awful. Surely the pension isn't worth the shit wage?

HappiestSleeping · 31/10/2024 09:36

The real issue is that the country is in a bag load of trouble. Brexit and the Trussterfuck along with 14 years of cuts to public services have damaged our economy considerably.

Whilst rates of taxation are higher for us than they have ever been, they are still lower than many other European equivalent countries. Public services need to be paid for after all.

I agree with PPs that some of the changes made yesterday are not fully understood by the masses yet, however for me, it is one thing to raise additional funds, but it is quite another to administer them properly. In principle, I don't disagree with paying more tax if, and it's a big 'if', they are administered efficiently.

The jury is still out on whether that will happen, we will have to watch and see whether waiting lists really do reduce, and whether more housing is built etc.

Interesting that the OBR and the IFS both state that short term growth is likely to be up, but long term less so unless the administration of newly created funds is invested wisely.

twistyizzy · 31/10/2024 09:35

295bkq · 31/10/2024 09:24

I think it's what Labour are banking on. The complete lack of understanding and the complete lack of shits given by those not directly affected.

Well they won an election by banking on that

Spirallingdownwards · 31/10/2024 09:35

Soukmyfalafel · 31/10/2024 09:13

No difference to me. As a pp has said it is mainly larger businesses and very wealthy people affected, but there will always be people who come off badly and find it tough. I do think in the current climate it should be affecting people who can shoulder the burden a bit more, rather than putting strain on people already negatively impacted by our economy.

I'm sure people will argue that the less wealthy are always supported by budgets, but the point is it hasn't been enough to slow poverty and economic growth has stalled, services have been underfunded and wages have stagnated. Previous budgets never addressed that. It is a step in the right direction I think, but so much more is needed.

Another one who doesn't actually understand the budget and that it will indeed impact them - but just by stealth.

twistyizzy · 31/10/2024 09:34

Hoolahoophop · 31/10/2024 09:32

This is the bit that irks me. I am quite happy to pay increased tax, if I thought that the money would be well spent and we would all see actual improvement. But I don't actually trust ANY government to deliver on the promises they make and actually spend money wisely and effectively.

But you can set up a direct debit each month to voluntarily pay more tax and you can choose which department the money goes to. If you are happy to pay more tax then the mechanism is there to enable you to do it.

IVFmumoftwo · 31/10/2024 09:34

I might be affected as employers in retail and hospitality might decide to cut hours. Also the AET in UC will be increased I think which will mean being pushed to do more hours when there isn't any.

twistyizzy · 31/10/2024 09:33

Train fares due to rise:

Regulated train fares in England are to increase by 4.6% next year, while the price of most railcards will rise by £5, the government has announced.
The increases were not mentioned by the chancellor in her Budget speech to the House of Commons earlier on Wednesday, but it was instead noted in the Treasury's budget document.

Hoolahoophop · 31/10/2024 09:32

Worldgonecrazy · 31/10/2024 09:17

I will be about £3k a year worse off. I have zero faith that any of my additional tax will create improvements in health, education or transport.

This is the bit that irks me. I am quite happy to pay increased tax, if I thought that the money would be well spent and we would all see actual improvement. But I don't actually trust ANY government to deliver on the promises they make and actually spend money wisely and effectively.

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 31/10/2024 09:32

295bkq · 31/10/2024 09:24

I think it's what Labour are banking on. The complete lack of understanding and the complete lack of shits given by those not directly affected.

Absolutely.

And it seems to be working.

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 31/10/2024 09:31

Nothatgingerpirate · 31/10/2024 09:23

Well, they might not last long in this situation.

That’s the worry.

Unemployment rising will add billions to the welfare budget.

Spirallingdownwards · 31/10/2024 09:31

MeMyCatsAndI · 31/10/2024 09:05

It's not that bad, it's mainly the upper classes getting taxed & those who attend private schools will need to pay more.

Tell me you didn't understand the impact of the budget without telling me you don't understand the impact of the budget!

northernballer · 31/10/2024 09:29

I'll have to pay VAT on school fees but otherwise won't feel anything immediately. I will have to make cutbacks but we are are high earners so fair enough.

I am happy to pay more providing I see an improvement in public services, so I'll reserve judgement until the end of the parliament.

senua · 31/10/2024 09:28

There's no way prices for goods and services won't rise.
Unless they outsource to cheaper countries. We will haemorrhage jobs.