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AIBU to not want to baptise my babies?

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TheMummyJade · 31/10/2024 04:11

Hi! So basically, my eldest is baptised as per request of both sets of grandparents, because my husband and I both enjoyed growing up surrounded by people in the faith, and because my husband and I want to enrol him in the local Catholic primary school. However, we didn't when it came to our second son because we had both just been starting new jobs, moving into a new house, and were busy with two young boys. Now that I'm due with 3 babies, I don't think we'll have the time, or that we really need, to baptise them. Neither my husband or I are practising Catholics, however both of fathers are, and our mothers just think it would be nice for us to have them baptised. I also feel a bit silly if we were to have 4 out of 5 kids baptise and our second son isn't.
Thanks in advance Mumsnet, and thank you for all the love and advice on my last thread 😊

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Wallywobbles · 01/11/2024 06:23

I never had mine done and now they are old enough to do It themselves they aren't interested.

Their father and I are different faiths. And while mine isn't strong, it was strong enough for me to feel uncomfortable with having my dc in a different faith.

IVFmumoftwo · 01/11/2024 06:09

Infant baptism was the norm because they didn't want a baby to die after birth unbaptised. So often you don't see a birth record but a baptismal record instead because child mortality was so high.

IVFmumoftwo · 01/11/2024 06:07

If neither actually go to church or practice anymore then don't get them baptised. Baptism is for those with faith.

sashh · 01/11/2024 05:58

hellacool · 31/10/2024 12:22

Bollocks.

Read the scriptures. A person has to BELIEVE that Jesus is who he claimed to be and be baptised by water and the Holy Spirit in order to receive salvation. John 3.

An infant cannot comprehend Christ's deity, therefore infant baptism is pointless in this regard.

There is nothing in scripture that specifically mentions infant baptism. We have to trust that God is just, and wouldn't allow the condemnation of somebody that is incapable of understanding Christ.

Really?
What was John the Baptist doing?

@StripyHorse

What I mean is that pre mas immigration from eastern Europe the time a child was baptised did not enter in to the equation.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 01/11/2024 05:16

OneDandyPoet · 31/10/2024 19:26

Well you are taught religion as a fact, in a Catholic school, (regardless of whether or not you personally believe) at the expense of the UK taxpayer. In 2024, the public purse should not be funding such schools.

I wasn't taught religion as a fact. Did you go to a faith school?

Chaoslatte · 31/10/2024 20:02

Hoppinggreen · 31/10/2024 18:49

No real upside either and it can never be undone, even if you change religion or follwo none you will always have been baptised into Christianity and thats not a decision I think people should make for their children

The upside is that they can get easier entry to OP’s preferred school and it’s less hassle if they want to do it when older.

Wolfpa · 31/10/2024 19:56

I am a middle child and the only one who is not christened. I don’t care as I think it is all nonsense but I do occasionally like to pretend that I am hard done by as my parents forgot to get me christened.

Tourmalines · 31/10/2024 19:55

MagentaRavioli · 31/10/2024 13:18

I don’t believe that an unbaptised child is any less loved by God. But I know that hospital chaplains are often called upon to baptise very tiny and unwell babies from the NICU, because it can be of some comfort to the parents, whether or not in other circumstances those same parents would have chosen baptism for their children.

Hardly my point .

Tourmalines · 31/10/2024 19:54

MagentaRavioli · 31/10/2024 13:18

I don’t believe that an unbaptised child is any less loved by God. But I know that hospital chaplains are often called upon to baptise very tiny and unwell babies from the NICU, because it can be of some comfort to the parents, whether or not in other circumstances those same parents would have chosen baptism for their children.

Hardly my point .

BobbyBiscuits · 31/10/2024 19:51

It feels like you did it partly for the first one because both sets of grandparents felt it the right thing. Obviously you enjoyed your childhood under that faith but if you're not actively practicing the religion it would be pointless to do so really.

If you decide you want to be more involved in the church, traditions and faith then by all means do it. But as it stands it seems like you're not deeply religious. Nothing wrong with that of course.

Why not just allow your kids to choose their own spiritual path when they feel they are ready?

V0xPopuli · 31/10/2024 19:48

My kids aren't baptised. I'm not sure I know any that are actually. I don't know anyone who attends church at all.

StripyHorse · 31/10/2024 19:44

sashh · 31/10/2024 11:54

Alternatively to stop ESOL children whose parents are from Eastern Europe where it is normal to baptise at 12 months and even if they want to do it sooner want to take their child to their 'home' country so family can be included.

@MissScarletInTheBallroom One of my godparents wasn't baptised and my cousin's children have unbaptised god parents too.

@HoppingPavlova An RC Baptism has adults making a promise on behalf of the children. The children then make the same commitment for themselves at confirmation if they do choose to be confirmed.

I think it is similar with the C of E.

What do you mean relating to children with ESOL? I know plenty of Eastern European children who have been baptised in the UK as babies, and both the parish church and the local RC school are very welcoming to families from different ethnicities and backgrounds.

OneDandyPoet · 31/10/2024 19:26

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 31/10/2024 18:09

Meh. I went to a Catholic school (I'm not a Catholic) and it was not really any different to any other kind of school. I can't get worked up about this.

Well you are taught religion as a fact, in a Catholic school, (regardless of whether or not you personally believe) at the expense of the UK taxpayer. In 2024, the public purse should not be funding such schools.

user2848502016 · 31/10/2024 18:52

If it will helpful for getting them all in to catholic school then I would do all 4 together

SoiledMyselfDuringSomeTurbulence · 31/10/2024 18:49

OneDandyPoet · 31/10/2024 18:04

Yes, it is really wrong. And we have government funded Catholic schools, paid for by our taxes, and yet, if not a practicing Catholic, you wouldn’t be able to get your child in. You would think it’s 1624 and not 2024, when you really think about the religious presence, in our everyday legislature and education.

If there's one thing the presence of Catholic schools in England doesn't say, it's 1624...

Hoppinggreen · 31/10/2024 18:49

Chaoslatte · 31/10/2024 18:37

My parents didn’t baptise me as a child because they wanted me to be able to make my own choice. Well I wish they had baptised me because it’s much more of a hassle as an adult and being baptised doesn’t mean you have to grow up to be Christian as an adult - there’s no downside to the child for being baptised.

No real upside either and it can never be undone, even if you change religion or follwo none you will always have been baptised into Christianity and thats not a decision I think people should make for their children

Chaoslatte · 31/10/2024 18:37

My parents didn’t baptise me as a child because they wanted me to be able to make my own choice. Well I wish they had baptised me because it’s much more of a hassle as an adult and being baptised doesn’t mean you have to grow up to be Christian as an adult - there’s no downside to the child for being baptised.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 31/10/2024 18:09

OneDandyPoet · 31/10/2024 18:00

She said separation of church and state, which still hasn’t entirely happened in the UK. There are 26 bishops that still sit in the upper house of government, the House of Lords, to this day. Moreover, Catholic schools are subsidised by you and me, the tax payer. Time to get all religion out of all social institutions, like education and governance.

Meh. I went to a Catholic school (I'm not a Catholic) and it was not really any different to any other kind of school. I can't get worked up about this.

OneDandyPoet · 31/10/2024 18:04

Mischance · 31/10/2024 15:53

But not CofE. We have bishops in the House of Lords by virtue of the fact that they are bishops and nothing else. We have government funded CofE schools. It is fundamentally wrong.

Yes, it is really wrong. And we have government funded Catholic schools, paid for by our taxes, and yet, if not a practicing Catholic, you wouldn’t be able to get your child in. You would think it’s 1624 and not 2024, when you really think about the religious presence, in our everyday legislature and education.

OneDandyPoet · 31/10/2024 18:00

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 31/10/2024 14:23

We have had a very explicit separation of the Catholic church and the state for over 300 years.

She said separation of church and state, which still hasn’t entirely happened in the UK. There are 26 bishops that still sit in the upper house of government, the House of Lords, to this day. Moreover, Catholic schools are subsidised by you and me, the tax payer. Time to get all religion out of all social institutions, like education and governance.

Mountainpika · 31/10/2024 17:23

Let the children decide for themselves when they are old enough to understand what it's all about. I'm not in favour of signing chidlren up to things while they are babies and have no choice.
And don't heed the doom-mongers with their 'what ifs...'

TeenLifeMum · 31/10/2024 17:23

Sheri99 · 31/10/2024 04:36

Get it done, all of them.

No one knows the time and place of disaster. The last thing you want to do is have a funeral of a child and realize you didn't make time for the most important thing in this world.

Huh? Does god refuse entry to non baptised children? Honestly, it’s nonsense like this that stops me going to church.

OneDandyPoet · 31/10/2024 17:19

Sheri99 · 31/10/2024 04:36

Get it done, all of them.

No one knows the time and place of disaster. The last thing you want to do is have a funeral of a child and realize you didn't make time for the most important thing in this world.

what??

whathaveiforgotten · 31/10/2024 17:17

@Sheri99

No one knows the time and place of disaster. The last thing you want to do is have a funeral of a child and realize you didn't make time for the most important thing in this world.

Do unbaptised children not go to heaven if they pass away then, in your belief system?

Your God is pretty cruel if that's the case, aren't they? I feel very sorry for you if you worship an entity who could be so cruel.

mondaytosunday · 31/10/2024 16:53

I didn't christened my children even though I was brought up Catholic. My late husband was an atheist but said if I really wanted to he was fine with it but would not stand in the church and say something he didn't believe in. And frankly I thought it would be hypocritical to christened them, which is introducing them to the church, and say I will bring them up in the Catholic faith, as I knew I would not.
My mum went to mass every day. She didn't say anything about it at all.