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To go NC with DM, despite her ill health

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BonfireToffee · 30/10/2024 16:13

I'll try and keep this as short as possible, despite it being a looooong story.

DM was emotionally abusive to me when I was growing up: bullying, favouring my brother, humiliating me, not feeding/caring for me properly, removing opportunities from me for no good reason.

I cut her out in my early 20s because I couldn't cope with any more of her nastiness. For the next decade (and then some), she sent me abusive emails and messages - some private, many public - and I didn't respond or retaliate.

I decided to give her another chance a few years back - I'm more resilient now, not a cowed adolescent who's afraid of her mother. But after nearly five years, the relationship has deteriorated again and I want to go NC permanently.

Some of the big reasons:

  • She doesn't respect boundaries around me, my home, my DC. She's complained about me "putting boundaries on her" despite me being polite, and has trampled said boundaries whenever possible.
  • She undermines my parenting, feeding DC things I've specifically told her not to, telling DC lies about me, telling me lies about what she's said to DC, hinting to DC that she can't do X, Y, Z "cos you'll just go and tell your mum."
  • She makes rude and disrespectful comments to me - predominantly about me being lazy and being a poor housekeeper (I don't think either is true).
  • She's becoming increasingly right-wing and racist, and won't stop talking politics despite repeated requests. She continues to do so and lies about the source of her info in a bid to stop me discrediting it.
  • She becomes enraged if challenged even gently on any problematic behaviours, huffing, tutting, playing the victim and storming off home.
  • After our latest argument, she told me to "leave [her] alone for a few weeks". I blocked her for peace's sake, as she has form for continuing to rant even once a conversation is over. In the week that followed, she texted DP 20+ times (all about what a cow I am), requested to be allowed to come to the house, came to the house despite being told not to and hammered on the door for 10 minutes, left a snidey note, sent a three-page letter on what a horrible daughter I am, and sent two emails on the same topic.

Her take is that I am "extremely intolerant" of her, "do nothing but criticise her" and make her feel "incredibly bad." For my part, I feel this is untrue - I've cared for and supported her, taken her on holiday, allowed her to build a relationship with DC, and had her to stay when her health has been bad.

She has texted DP to beg him to "leave this channel of communication open in case of emergencies as it's all I have..." - she has no contact with other family members, and no close friends. She is frequently ill and has a chronic health condition that flares up sometimes.

I feel guilty at going NC and am questioning my decision, as she genuinely hasn't got much of a safety net apart from me.

I guess the AIBU is "AIBU to cut off contact for the sake of me and the DC, despite DM being basically alone?"

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BonfireToffee · 12/04/2025 12:39

@thepariscrimefiles Thank you. You've summed her up perfectly. It kills me that she's allowed to do this, and will get away with it all. There's literally nothing I can do, other than report her to the police again, which I have done. They're trying to discourage me from making a formal complaint because she's not been physically abusive.

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thepariscrimefiles · 12/04/2025 11:59

I am so sorry OP. You ex-husband is totally and utterly disgusting and I'm not sure how he is managing to hide his assets to allow him to pay so little in child support. It's a travesty that rich men can use expensive lawyers and barristers to circumvent and bend the rules to avoid paying for their own children.

However, you are right that your mum is worse. She sounds almost unbelievably evil. I don't mean that I don't believe you but that this sort of abusive behaviour from a parent almost takes us into the realm of mothers that have been convicted of terrible crimes against their children. She is motivated by spite, a pathological sense of entitlement, a complete lack of normal morality and a desire to punish you for not bowing to her will.

BonfireToffee · 12/04/2025 11:42

@MissScarletInTheBallroom Thank you. It is literally the worse thing I've ever been through, by some distance, and my biggest regret in life is letting my mother back into my life after being out of touch with her from 23-36.

Baby is now 3mo, and we're in the final stages of buying a house with my equity from the family home (secured after lots of legal wrangling after the previous purchase fell through) and my partner. Hoping to move within the next month. Abusive ex bought a new house without needing to wait for equity, which means he now has over £2m worth of property - somewhat at odds with his £9k a year earnings.

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MissScarletInTheBallroom · 12/04/2025 11:05

Gosh, OP, I'm so sorry you're going through this.

How old is your baby now? Do you have somewhere safe to live?

BonfireToffee · 12/04/2025 10:31

UPDATE:

I hardly even know where to start. I cut my mother off and she has done her utmost to completely destroy my life.

My abusive ex found out I was pregnant, which led to a domestic incident during which I feared he would murder our child. He brought her home eventually, threatened to murder me and my partner, told me he had been stalking us both online and off, and referred to my partner multiple times as a cunt - all in front of my 10yo child.

I recorded the conversation as a voice note on my phone and submitted it to the police, who have taken six months to tell me that it - along with all the other evidence I have of his abuse - doesn't meet the threshold for arrest.

I had to crowdfund enough money to take legal action and was granted a 12mo non-molestation order and a prohibited steps order preventing my ex from approaching our child or coming to the house.

I began being looked after by our local domestic abuse service, and was subsequently advised by them and the police to keep my child off school for their own safety. I had to homeschool for six weeks, a decision her school did not agree with. I had to push for them to create a safety plan for my child, and to send me materials with which to homeschool her. As a result, school have submitted concerns to social services that I am mentally unwell and behaving "erratically."

Following the domestic incident, my ex made contact with my mother again, as he'd threatened. My mother told him everything she could possibly think of about what had been happening since I broke up with him, including:

  • time spent with my new partner
  • time our child had spent with him
  • an affair I had had that ended years previously

She also lied to him, claiming:

  • I forced my child to keep my pregnancy a secret
  • I had moved my partner into the house a month after splitting from him
  • Previous bouts of mental ill health were faked

As a result, my ex submitted a number of statements via his solicitor that hinged on the information and lies provided by my mother.

Then, he withdrew all financial support for our child, stopped paying the energy bills on the family home (in December, leaving us in average indoor temperatures of 11-12*c), and began his own legal case, using his significant wealth to have the prohibited steps order thrown out as unlawful because he's the sole owner of the house. I was over 30 weeks pregnant at this time, and my daughter and I ended up essentially living in a couple of rooms with space heaters on to try and keep warm.

My ex then refused to sign paperwork confirming I would receive any equity from the family home, which meant that my onward purchase of a house for me and my children fell through, leaving us stuck in a huge, freezing, mouldy house.

I reported my mother to the police and she was spoken to and told to leave me alone; I was told no further action would be taken. My mother continued to try and send gifts for my child anonymously.

My new partner began looking after us financially, as my days were completely taken up with responding to legal stuff and attempting to get the police to do something.

My baby was born early via a hugely traumatic (for both of us) emergency c-section, and I have been told it was likely down to the stress caused by these issues.

When my husband learned the baby had been born (I have a public-facing role and had to make clients aware I was on mat leave), he cut off our internet connection, leaving us with no internet for nearly a month. Our house is in a dead zone for phone signal too, so we were entirely cut off.

In mid-January, my mother made a call to social services, telling them that I was mentally unwell and an unfit mother. She claimed my allegations against my ex were completely fabricated (despite me having written evidence of her acknowledging his abuse earlier in the year) and that I was isolating my child from their wider family for my own benefit.

My ex is now wiping the floor with me in court, bringing a whole team of expensive London lawyers with him to every hearing. I can barely afford one junior, local barrister. A lot of the 'evidence' against me is information and lies my ex has been given by my mother. He says in all his statements that my mother is a good person and that I have fabricated all allegations against her.

Meanwhile, my ex has told CMS he earns £9k - consequently, I get £20 a week from him for our child.

My ex is an angry, vengeful, abusive and cruel piece of shit, but my mother, I think, is actually evil. There is no end in sight to this situation, and my child is facing having to have unsupervised, completely unwanted contact with a father who she saw threaten to murder me when I was heavily pregnant.

I have been repeatedly humiliated in court, by the police, by my child's school, by my ex's solicitors, and painted as a mentally unstable liar who has hurt her child to spite her ex. And my mother has helped it all happen, all because she didn't get what she wanted when she wanted it.

I am completely ruined as a person, and she has destroyed mine and my child's life. If it weren't for the children, I would rather be dead right now.

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BPR · 01/11/2024 15:36

OP i too believe it is wise advice to involve the police and let your ex know of the police involvement.
Do not engage with either of them again, other than over your son and house sale.
Block her completely.
I am so sorry that she is such an utter horror.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 01/11/2024 12:52

BonfireToffee · 01/11/2024 11:43

Yes, new baby is likely to be born before divorce is finalised at this rate. Ex is not the father.

If I were you I would give the council a call and just check whether there's anything to do to make sure your baby's father is actually legally recognised as the father.

If you are married your husband is assumed to be the father of the baby and the last thing you want to do is accidentally give him parental responsibility for your baby.

BonfireToffee · 01/11/2024 11:57

Update

I spent yesterday putting together a fairly comprehensive file of evidence as requested by a solicitor. Hopefully they'll be able to review it and find it's enough to justify them sending "D"M a cease and desist.

I told ex I would be seeking legal action against DM. Ex said he wouldn't respond to DM but then immediately did so anyway, expressing his sympathy to her at the "unfortunate" situation and saying he respects her but to please leave him out of the situation moving forward.

DM messaged him back immediately and repeatedly full of love and sadness and confusion, claiming she has no idea why I'm "doing this to her" and framing them both as victims of my cruelty and senseless anger. She "hopes he can find happiness somehow after everything I've done to him."

I've told ex that this is the worst possible thing he could have done to me, and that I now have nothing further to say to him.

He's apparently baffled as to why I am upset. He's from a culture where you respect your elders no matter what, but I still can't forgive him for giving a woman who's abused me for 40 years an outlet for her lies and spite.

He texted again shortly after to apologise for hurting me, and to say he's now blocked her. I've ignored those messages, responding only to messages relating to our house sale or shared DC.

I'm still considering whether to contact the police. Will wait and see what solicitors come back with today (hopefully).

Thank you to everyone for the kindness and support. I don't feel able to keep offloading this on friends because it's just ramping up at a ridiculous rate and I feel really stupid and humiliated. So it really helps to have MN as a bit of an outlet - I feel like it's helping me stay sane.

Tonnes of love to those who can relate. It literally feels like I'm in Hell.

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Villagetoraiseachild · 01/11/2024 11:55

Give yourself and your own family the gift of peace, Op.
You can't afford the luxury of guilt.
🌹
100 per cent support you on this.

BonfireToffee · 01/11/2024 11:48

JustHurryUpAndGetBetter · 31/10/2024 12:45

OP I'm so sorry for your troubles and I speak from a place of understanding. My own mother had BPD diagnosed by a pychiatrist.

She spent her whole life creating pain, drama, playing her children off against each other, abusing her husband and children, saying the most evil things you could imagine then being outraged when there where any consequences or anyone tried to put boundries in place. She told lies about people constantly to make herself look good and them look as bad as possible even to the police.

I've been angry, I've been sad, I've been terrified, horrified, outraged, baffled, exhausted, broken, hopeful. You name it - I've been through it with her.

Somebody being our mother does not give us the right to treat us badly. In fact it is WORSE because they are our mothers and they are supposed to treat us better than the general population. Unfortunately human beings are wired to want the approval of their first caregivers and if you are like me you were probably 'trained' (brainwashed) to put her first and accept bad treatment as being normal.

I have to say what your mother has done though contacting a dangerous ex and giving him amunnition to hurt you is very, very bad. I would contact the police and make them aware that you have tried to go no contact with her and she has involved a dangerous ex. Let them visit her and tell her not to contact you again. Then tell your ex the police are now involved and telling your mum to never contact you again. Hopefully he might behave better if he knows what is going on.

Apart from these two things I would do nothing. Ignore any communications from mum or the ex. Don't respond to anything.

On the plus side your mum has now made the decision very easy for you to never have anything to do with her again. She has literally put you in danger to get her way. You can never trust her again no matter how much you want to.

She's a mentally ill woman who you need to protect yourself from. She's not your mum.

Sending you much love and support.

Thank you so much for sharing your advice, and your own story - nothing much I can say other than to send you so much love for having gone through this with your own mother. It's an incredible and unique pain, and I don't think there's anyone I'd wish it on.

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BonfireToffee · 01/11/2024 11:43

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 31/10/2024 12:12

So sorry you're going through this, OP.

Just one question about this - is your baby likely to be born whilst you are still legally married to your abusive ex?

Yes, new baby is likely to be born before divorce is finalised at this rate. Ex is not the father.

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BPR · 31/10/2024 15:31

Oh my goodness she is poisonous

At least now she has removed any hesitation you might have had about any further contact.

She is 100% vicious, unhinged and a danger to you and your family.

Absolutely report to the police.
You need to go all out on keeping her away from you.

I'm so sorry.

JustHurryUpAndGetBetter · 31/10/2024 12:45

OP I'm so sorry for your troubles and I speak from a place of understanding. My own mother had BPD diagnosed by a pychiatrist.

She spent her whole life creating pain, drama, playing her children off against each other, abusing her husband and children, saying the most evil things you could imagine then being outraged when there where any consequences or anyone tried to put boundries in place. She told lies about people constantly to make herself look good and them look as bad as possible even to the police.

I've been angry, I've been sad, I've been terrified, horrified, outraged, baffled, exhausted, broken, hopeful. You name it - I've been through it with her.

Somebody being our mother does not give us the right to treat us badly. In fact it is WORSE because they are our mothers and they are supposed to treat us better than the general population. Unfortunately human beings are wired to want the approval of their first caregivers and if you are like me you were probably 'trained' (brainwashed) to put her first and accept bad treatment as being normal.

I have to say what your mother has done though contacting a dangerous ex and giving him amunnition to hurt you is very, very bad. I would contact the police and make them aware that you have tried to go no contact with her and she has involved a dangerous ex. Let them visit her and tell her not to contact you again. Then tell your ex the police are now involved and telling your mum to never contact you again. Hopefully he might behave better if he knows what is going on.

Apart from these two things I would do nothing. Ignore any communications from mum or the ex. Don't respond to anything.

On the plus side your mum has now made the decision very easy for you to never have anything to do with her again. She has literally put you in danger to get her way. You can never trust her again no matter how much you want to.

She's a mentally ill woman who you need to protect yourself from. She's not your mum.

Sending you much love and support.

alongtimeagonow · 31/10/2024 12:26

I’m so so sorry she has done this to you

REP22 · 31/10/2024 12:22

I'm so sorry @BonfireToffee - you sound like a decent caring person and you don't deserve any of this. I'd go NC permanently with absolutely no need to feel guilty.

But I really would recommend that you contact the Police. Now. Because she's shown up at your door before, and is now fixated on a course that could cause serious and lasting harm to you and your family. Please notify the Police as a matter of urgency; it may not result in any action but at least they with be alerted to a potential problem. And do get a Ring doorbell if you can, in case evidence and/or warnings are needed.

Wishing you strength and love and better times ahead. x

LadyGabriella · 31/10/2024 12:21

She sounds bad for your mental health. Do what is best for you.

FfsBrian · 31/10/2024 12:15

As someone who went NC for 15 years then tried again resulting in NC - you know how this is going to pan out.

However - therapy taught me that deep down that little girl in me would absolutely love their mother just to be a normal, loving mother, to be safe and secure as that’s all kids need to feel whole as it always feels like something is missing - that’s why I allowed her back in.

BUT - there is years of unresolved issues that will trigger you. It can’t be fixed - unless she profusely apologies and admits the damage that was caused and works hard to amend - that’s not going to happen is it?

You also have to look at why she was like that. What happened to her to make her treat you like that? What fucked her up so bad she had to make her daughter’s life miserable? If you can find the reasons it does take away the feeling that you wasn’t good enough and it was her issues - not yours.

Our parents are often not who were need them to be and we don’t have to be around them out of obligation if they have been cruel and unstable.

Flowers
MissScarletInTheBallroom · 31/10/2024 12:12

BonfireToffee · 31/10/2024 11:31

Update I wish I didn't have to make. I'm literally shaking.

I've just had messages from my abusive ex - screengrabs of texts DM has sent him overnight, misrepresenting the situation and sharing private information about me and my new partner.

Ex is predictably enraged and threatening to call DM and find out everything she knows about me since we split. I've contacted a solicitor to enquire about a cease and desist letter.

She knows enough about me to get him properly riled up, and potentially endanger me, the ongoing divorce proceedings, the sale of our house (in my ex's name) and, consequently, the purchase of my new home. I'm heavily pregnant - DM knows this and ex does not.

I've never felt anxiety and hatred like this. I knew she would do this, and somehow never believed she would. How can anyone be this evil?

So sorry you're going through this, OP.

Just one question about this - is your baby likely to be born whilst you are still legally married to your abusive ex?

toomuchfaff · 31/10/2024 12:06

so sorry you're going through this. Absolutely baffling as a mum to understand just how your DM can some woth the ex! Good luck.

BonfireToffee · 31/10/2024 12:03

toomuchfaff · 31/10/2024 11:58

I'd suggest going further than NC and get some kind of injunction or whatever the equivalent UK order is to prevent her endangering you and your family.

On a personal level i think id be firebombing her house.

Made your decision easier.

I've emailed a couple of local lawyers with a view to sending her a cease and desist letter, which is the step before a formal non-molestation order.

If she does anything else in the interim, I'm considering the police.

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toomuchfaff · 31/10/2024 11:58

I'd suggest going further than NC and get some kind of injunction or whatever the equivalent UK order is to prevent her endangering you and your family.

On a personal level i think id be firebombing her house.

Made your decision easier.

topaz27 · 31/10/2024 11:54

I would find it difficult to ever cut off my own mother. As much as we've fought over the years, she would never put me in danger like your one has because she loves me, and regardless of what she says, she would take a bullet for me. She loves me fiercely in her own way and I am secure in that knowledge.

I'm not sensing that mama bear energy from your mother.

You can only keep forgiving blood relations where that unconditional love exists.

Teaortea · 31/10/2024 11:43

BonfireToffee · 31/10/2024 11:31

Update I wish I didn't have to make. I'm literally shaking.

I've just had messages from my abusive ex - screengrabs of texts DM has sent him overnight, misrepresenting the situation and sharing private information about me and my new partner.

Ex is predictably enraged and threatening to call DM and find out everything she knows about me since we split. I've contacted a solicitor to enquire about a cease and desist letter.

She knows enough about me to get him properly riled up, and potentially endanger me, the ongoing divorce proceedings, the sale of our house (in my ex's name) and, consequently, the purchase of my new home. I'm heavily pregnant - DM knows this and ex does not.

I've never felt anxiety and hatred like this. I knew she would do this, and somehow never believed she would. How can anyone be this evil?

I'm so sorry op, this is horrendous. She's answered your question about going nc herself. What was she thinking, there's no coming back from that.

Sending you and others on this thread love and strength.

BonfireToffee · 31/10/2024 11:31

Update I wish I didn't have to make. I'm literally shaking.

I've just had messages from my abusive ex - screengrabs of texts DM has sent him overnight, misrepresenting the situation and sharing private information about me and my new partner.

Ex is predictably enraged and threatening to call DM and find out everything she knows about me since we split. I've contacted a solicitor to enquire about a cease and desist letter.

She knows enough about me to get him properly riled up, and potentially endanger me, the ongoing divorce proceedings, the sale of our house (in my ex's name) and, consequently, the purchase of my new home. I'm heavily pregnant - DM knows this and ex does not.

I've never felt anxiety and hatred like this. I knew she would do this, and somehow never believed she would. How can anyone be this evil?

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BonfireToffee · 31/10/2024 09:21

Thank you to everyone for the supportive words and advice, and much love to those who can relate to this kind of pain 💐

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