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To ask seller to reduce asking price due to stamp duty increase

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Ouch12 · 30/10/2024 14:55

Hello,
I am on the deeds for my parents house. They couldn't qualify for a mortgage as they were too old, so I was added to the mortgage.

I am now buying a house for myself - purchase has been ongoing for 2 months.

However, my can't buy me out from their current home - they just don't have the money.

In the Budget stamp duty on 2nd homes increased for 3% to 5%. This means I will need to find an additional £10k for stamp duty, which I don't have.
I will try to increase the mortgage amount to cover the extra £10kz

If the bank don't, I don't know how I will be able to afford the additional £10k. My parents are already gifting me money, so I cannot ask them any more.

Worst case, I might ask the seller to reduce the price by £3k -£5k but I'd imagine they'd be pissed.

Would you be willing to reduce the price if you were selling.

OP posts:
HPFA · 01/11/2024 06:48

PetuniaT · 31/10/2024 22:35

It will be for all those millennials who find themselves with negative equity on their "affordable" rabbit hutches like all those keyworkers who got screwed under the previous Labour government.

We bought our first flat in the negative equity time. It was still less than rent and we put a bit aside in case we needed to cover the equity.

And if course we had security of tenure and were no longer being ripped off paying "admin" charges every six months and all the rest.

3tumsnot1 · 01/11/2024 00:58

Ouch12 · 30/10/2024 14:55

Hello,
I am on the deeds for my parents house. They couldn't qualify for a mortgage as they were too old, so I was added to the mortgage.

I am now buying a house for myself - purchase has been ongoing for 2 months.

However, my can't buy me out from their current home - they just don't have the money.

In the Budget stamp duty on 2nd homes increased for 3% to 5%. This means I will need to find an additional £10k for stamp duty, which I don't have.
I will try to increase the mortgage amount to cover the extra £10kz

If the bank don't, I don't know how I will be able to afford the additional £10k. My parents are already gifting me money, so I cannot ask them any more.

Worst case, I might ask the seller to reduce the price by £3k -£5k but I'd imagine they'd be pissed.

Would you be willing to reduce the price if you were selling.

Can you become guarantor on your parents place so avoid home ownership? This would enable you to purchase the second at the lower rate.

Pippetypoppity · 01/11/2024 00:34

Yes - if I had to sell fast and flee the country for some radical movie plot worthy reason. Otherwise nah. I’d think you were having a laugh!

Juneday · 31/10/2024 23:17

I think you need tax advice, your name being on the land registry may not mean your parents home is your primary residence. It sounds like you are buying your primary residence so your parents home is your second home? Do you pay the mortgage? Are you the only owner with the land registry on the property your parents live in?i would think that you are buying a place to live in that is your residence not a second home. You should speak to a tax specialist and a solicitor and also consider what your parents Will states if they do have their names on the land registry. Are they paying you rent? It could be their home is your second property? If you are their landlord are you declaring the rental income?

when you purchase your conveyancing solicitor will need to make the payment and know the answers, I would start with asking them not trying to negotiate a cut.

DiduAye · 31/10/2024 22:57

Your problem not the sellers

PetuniaT · 31/10/2024 22:35

HPFA · 31/10/2024 20:11

You're saying there'll be lower house prices? Wouldn't that be awful.

It will be for all those millennials who find themselves with negative equity on their "affordable" rabbit hutches like all those keyworkers who got screwed under the previous Labour government.

5128gap · 31/10/2024 22:28

HPFA · 31/10/2024 20:20

I imagine the OP has bought her parents council house for herself, using their right to buy discount.The parents have to be co owners or she wouldn't have been able to buy it.

So in that scenario the parents have a secure (presumably lifetime) tenancy - the daughter effectively buys the house at a discount, then when the parents dies sells it at full market value? Meanwhile the person who might have had a secure home in that property is now in an insecure and expensive private rental quite likely financed by the taxpayer through housing benefit?

What a lovely system.

Yes indeed. Exactly that. Which is why it's rather difficult to feel too sorry for the OP now she appears to be hoist by her own petard.

Lyraloo · 31/10/2024 22:26

SilverChampagne · 31/10/2024 19:48

Why couldn’t they? The mortgage op has taken out will have been secured on the house, regardless of any strategic shenanigans relating to the deeds and who have been registered as owners.

I don’t believe she’d ever have got a mortgage on a house she didn’t own. The legal ramifications would be far too off putting for lenders. I’d bet that the parents had to sign a waiver at the time that they would have to move out if the op defaulted on the mortgage.

Lyraloo · 31/10/2024 22:19

Ouch12 · 30/10/2024 14:55

Hello,
I am on the deeds for my parents house. They couldn't qualify for a mortgage as they were too old, so I was added to the mortgage.

I am now buying a house for myself - purchase has been ongoing for 2 months.

However, my can't buy me out from their current home - they just don't have the money.

In the Budget stamp duty on 2nd homes increased for 3% to 5%. This means I will need to find an additional £10k for stamp duty, which I don't have.
I will try to increase the mortgage amount to cover the extra £10kz

If the bank don't, I don't know how I will be able to afford the additional £10k. My parents are already gifting me money, so I cannot ask them any more.

Worst case, I might ask the seller to reduce the price by £3k -£5k but I'd imagine they'd be pissed.

Would you be willing to reduce the price if you were selling.

By my calculations your buying a second home worth £500,000 a cost a lot of people could only dream of and you want to ‘charge’ your sellers for the privilege ! None of this is their fault or responsibility, you’ve known for several weeks now that this was likely in the budget and you haven’t addressed it. You need to sort it out!

Donsyb · 31/10/2024 21:39

ItsVeryHyacinthBucket · 30/10/2024 19:40

No, of course not. It’s also my understanding that you can’t pay stamp duty out of your mortgage so just increasing that won’t work.

We paid the stamp duty out of our mortgage on 3 properties

BoldAmberDuck · 31/10/2024 21:24

Yes I would lower the price to ensure the sale goes through

Yoonimum · 31/10/2024 20:47

Rosscameasdoody · 31/10/2024 18:20

Compound interest. My SiL did this when her husband died twenty odd years ago. The interest racks up frighteningly quickly. She’s now run out of equity and will soon have to pay rent to live in her own home. I’d rather it be swallowed up in care fees and afford myself and DH a comfortable old age than see it go to ruthless equity companies who are knocking on your door the minute your equity runs out.

Ah, OK. Although I believe there are companies that are recommended by Money Saving Expert and also products where you can make regular interest payments.

Fridgemanageress · 31/10/2024 20:40

You don’t get if you don’t ask

Flippingnora100 · 31/10/2024 20:28

AllTheChaos · 31/10/2024 18:43

The increase is only on a second property, so unless the vendors also own another house in addition to the one they are selling / one they are buying, they will not have to pay extra stamp duty. Op wants the vendors to sub her desire to own more than one house..

Oh sorry - I don’t live in the UK anymore so I didn’t realize. In that case, I don’t think it would be ok for the OP to ask the seller.

HPFA · 31/10/2024 20:20

I imagine the OP has bought her parents council house for herself, using their right to buy discount.The parents have to be co owners or she wouldn't have been able to buy it.

So in that scenario the parents have a secure (presumably lifetime) tenancy - the daughter effectively buys the house at a discount, then when the parents dies sells it at full market value? Meanwhile the person who might have had a secure home in that property is now in an insecure and expensive private rental quite likely financed by the taxpayer through housing benefit?

What a lovely system.

niffynickers · 31/10/2024 20:19

No way! But if you had to pull out because of the stamp duty increase then and only them if the seller offers to reduce then go ahead. Else start again and look for something more affordable. Good luck

LondonQueen · 31/10/2024 20:15

No, unless there was another reason (House needs new windows etc) I wouldn't reduce the price.

HPFA · 31/10/2024 20:11

PetuniaT · 31/10/2024 19:39

YABU. It's your loss. Rachel Reeves has done her best to crash the housing market with her tax tax grab and you would be adding to the misery if you demand a reduction to cover the Stamp Duty increase and, even worse, if you pull out.

You're saying there'll be lower house prices? Wouldn't that be awful.

BrotherViolence · 31/10/2024 20:08

Ouch12 · 30/10/2024 19:31

Then I'd be giving up £100knin equity. I realise this sounds crass as I am asking the seller to reduce their asking price.

Yeah, this is taking the piss.

5128gap · 31/10/2024 20:07

SilverChampagne · 31/10/2024 19:48

Why couldn’t they? The mortgage op has taken out will have been secured on the house, regardless of any strategic shenanigans relating to the deeds and who have been registered as owners.

Only if a guarantor mortgage was taken out with the parents agreeing to use the home as security. Besides if as I suspect it was right to buy, the parents have to be on the deeds because its their right to buy it not OPs.

foresthump · 31/10/2024 19:58

Yes, i would ask

The housing market is slow and ive had to reduce mine by thousands to sell

SilverChampagne · 31/10/2024 19:48

5128gap · 31/10/2024 19:40

That's different though because one of the mortgagees (you) owns the asset, so if the mortgage isn't paid they could take the house from you. In the OPs case if she wasn't an owner and defaulted on the mortgage they couldnt repossess the house if it wasnt hers.

Why couldn’t they? The mortgage op has taken out will have been secured on the house, regardless of any strategic shenanigans relating to the deeds and who have been registered as owners.

TakeMeDancing · 31/10/2024 19:47

Ouch12 · 30/10/2024 16:01

I've paid close to £75k, so selling for £1 isn't great for me.
I will speak to the broker.

I haven’t RTFT. Be careful what you do here…if you come off of the deeds and are no longer an owner, if your parent needs to go into a home, the house is “theirs”, and the cost of the care will be funded by the house value. You could lose out on much much more than a few % of stamp duty.

5128gap · 31/10/2024 19:40

PilgorTheGoat · 31/10/2024 18:56

I currently have a mortgage with Barclays which is in mine and my ExH names. Only I am on the deeds. When we divorced my income wasn’t high enough to get a mortgage on my own.

That's different though because one of the mortgagees (you) owns the asset, so if the mortgage isn't paid they could take the house from you. In the OPs case if she wasn't an owner and defaulted on the mortgage they couldnt repossess the house if it wasnt hers.

PetuniaT · 31/10/2024 19:39

YABU. It's your loss. Rachel Reeves has done her best to crash the housing market with her tax tax grab and you would be adding to the misery if you demand a reduction to cover the Stamp Duty increase and, even worse, if you pull out.

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