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Is it o.k to let your 11 year old daughter hang out on the local park?

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Sammy900 · 30/10/2024 13:28

Reasonable - Of course it's fine, all the other kids are, can't keep them locked in forever, got to start somewhere, build up trust time, etc

Unreasonable - No way, don't send her to the wolves, she isn't street wise, way too young, gangs of teenagers, creeps and weirdos, county lines, worst place possible to hang out, etc

Hi

Just looking for advice, preferably from parents who have been through this before or are going through it. My daughter is 11 in Yr7 and it's time to give her some more freedom. She's had sleep overs at friends and gone to friends houses etc.

She has a phone and has been walking to and from her new secondary school with her friends so far so has been getting used to that, but not really across the park, just sticking to the streets.

Recently she has been asking to meet with some friends after school on a Friday on the park and we have a few concerns but also don't want to be strict over-bearing parents and realise we need to allow her some time out of the house to just hang around with her friends.

The issue is it's getting darker and as a local urban park usually does, attracts older kids/ teens most likely a bit of dodgy this and that going on, Friday night after dark is not safe I don't think.

She then asked to meet some friends in the day between 2-4 - we said o.k this sounds fine..who are you meeting? Bit of a sketchy answer, umm I think so and so is going, maybe ...then I asked if they could call for her so we know who it is - nope this isn't the plan. Then it turns out she wants to meet a boy in her year group and it is just going to be those two. I feel uncomfortable about this as A) never met him, not sure where he lives or anything - this is a new friend she's met at school...B) She's not yet even tried hanging out with a few of her girl mates on the park yet.

I've said no to this this time until we know who he is and she said they both understand and perhaps mums can swop numbers and arrange something. I don't want to make her feel embarrassed if this is a new boyfriend by monitoring everything and introducing parents and all that..but equally need to know where she is who she is with and safeguard her.

How the hell has this all crept up so soon!!

How does everyone else deal with it. What are your thoughts please

Cheers

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Mummyoflittledragon · 31/10/2024 16:41

SLeanne · 31/10/2024 16:26

Because 11 year old children shouldn't be 'browsing round the shops' by theirselves or with other children of a similar age. Different for a 15 or 16 year old. It's not OK to let a child roam around. I must be old school.

Fifteen or 16? You can marry at 16, not that I would recommend this. My dd’s friend is post 16 and taking the train to college into London now on a fast 1 hour service plus the tube and her parents are very protective. Secondary school kids take the tube from year 7 onwards. My year 12, 16 yo dd has been taking the train to a city every now and then 30 miles away for the past 2 years.

I can’t remember the age I allowed my dd into the city alone with her friends. I imagine it was when she was about 13 and I stayed around town the first couple of times. She was definitely allowed to go to the local shopping centre with a Primark by the start of secondary school. In the beginning I sat in the car then
when I left dd she was shopping for a bit and into McDonald’s for lunch.

Mummyoflittledragon · 31/10/2024 16:28

@PaperTyger

I cannot say dd won’t be in a car accident. I can say that’s more likely to happen than some bad event at our village park whilst she’s there.

@Savingthehedgehogs

There is nothing wrong with being coddled as a child. When it interferes with normal development then it is an issue. I am having to get my dd to learn to take care of herself because she finds all of this so scary. She will basically be an adult and potentially want to be at university in less than 2 years. There is a massive amount of work, which needs to be done to get to that point and if I don’t, she won’t be ready. That comes from a highly trained professional, not just me.

Out of her friends, whom she hangs round with, one has parents in the police (force, not admin) and the other has two teachers (one at dd’s secondary, the other at state, post 16). If they think what dd does is safe enough for their child, it’s safe enough for mine.

At this point, I think it best to agree to disagree. 🤷‍♀️

SLeanne · 31/10/2024 16:26

Neurodiversitydoctor · 31/10/2024 15:58

I think not allowing 11 year olds to go rhe park during daylight hours is sad, every minute of everyday needn't be scheduled. If school finishes at 3 there is an hour or so before it gets dark. Also what is wrong with them going to the high street/ town centre for a browse in Primark and a hot chocolate ? Sometimes I think I live in a parralel universe.

Because 11 year old children shouldn't be 'browsing round the shops' by theirselves or with other children of a similar age. Different for a 15 or 16 year old. It's not OK to let a child roam around. I must be old school.

Neurodiversitydoctor · 31/10/2024 15:58

Savingthehedgehogs · 31/10/2024 12:58

I am also wondering how on earth these kids have the time to hang around anywhere. My dc have tons of homework every single night. They couldn’t stay out to 8/9pm if they wanted to.
Add in sports commitments and the odd club and dinner, having a shower, talking through their day. There just wouldn’t or shouldn’t be the time.

Clearly some children are being let down in terms of academic discipline as well.

It seems to be creating a cycle of deprivation.

As the teachers have said on here, they can tell which children go to the park, and which ones don’t. That speaks volumes.

Edited

I think not allowing 11 year olds to go rhe park during daylight hours is sad, every minute of everyday needn't be scheduled. If school finishes at 3 there is an hour or so before it gets dark. Also what is wrong with them going to the high street/ town centre for a browse in Primark and a hot chocolate ? Sometimes I think I live in a parralel universe.

Errors · 31/10/2024 15:57

VegTrug · 31/10/2024 14:59

WTF??????????? ShockShockShockShock

This is neglect. 6 years old???????? Angry

Don’t be hysterical!
Jeez, how would you cope in Japan?! They let kids as young as three run errands for their parents!

Rasputin123 · 31/10/2024 15:44

Ok to meet up in day time if she lets you know plans and agrees to stick to them.

No to park after dark.

KingAndQueenOf1098 · 31/10/2024 15:39

Some allow it, some don't. It gets dark at around 4:30 in autumn and winter and secondary school students get home around 4. What would they be doing hanging around in a dark park? Not keen on teens loitering, the well looked after ones are usually busy doing homework and extra curricular. Going to the park in summer to play a ball game, have a picnic or ice cream is different. 11 year olds dating is sad 😬they're emotionally not ready for romantic relationships (trying to phrase it politely) and time spend dating is time not spent building good friendships, studying or learning new life skills, or simply having age appropraite fun and downtime. I know some parents think it's cute or so mature, no, it's not, it's weird.

Natsku · 31/10/2024 15:28

Sammy900 · 31/10/2024 11:23

These would be the ground rules if we let her go:

  • Absolutely not after dusk/dark (This may reduce it now due to darker nights as she will only have about 45 mins after school / plus I don't think she'd be interested in being out at night / too cold / creepy)
  • Stick to the times arranged. 1-3pm / 11-1pm - or I'll be ringing / coming to find her / ringing the police (I said this for effect)
  • Only with friends we know, no going off with random people or to random peoples houses. Ring me if unsure at any time
  • I'll walk over from a distance to drop her with said friends if needed to ensure they are there and check..but this is just initially and may taper off

We've also had a big on-going chat talking frankly about the dangers / risks and have been honest saying that it's mainly older kids that are a worry and the influence they could have..the park across the road from me has a bunch of kids playing basketball and tennis / football and cricket groups often on the park..lots of mums and toddlers and it is busy as right next to a school. I think in broad day light it's quite safe..there are areas to avoid like enclosed paths but she wont need to go anywhere near them.

If it's just a weekend day in the morning or early pm I think she'd be ok (there are still dangers of course but this is massively reduced at that time). She understands why I said she couldn't just go off and meet a new boy in her year we don't know anything about and was fine about it.

I have said to her that other options for hanging out indoors at places might be better / safer and especially during the winter months when it's dark all the time. I don't want her to have under-developed life skills, be prevented from socialising and mixing with her peers or stunted independence, resillience (age appropriate) - but I also want her to be as safe as possible and not hand her over to criminal gangs, etc

We will also be having another chat about what a boyfriend actually means at her age and what is appropriate and what isn't. I think at the moment it's just a novelty / name thing but will keep my eye on things.

Like I say these things are new to us / going on the park and having a "boy friend" at age 11 ...she was at primary school literally 5 mins ago!

That sounds like a good plan for the start of this independence.

SLeanne · 31/10/2024 15:19

I wouldn't let my 11 year old 'hang around on the high street'. Playing at the local park with friends in day light hours is fine (and I can see it from the bedroom window). Allowing them to roam the streets with no purpose is surely asking for trouble?

VioletCrawleyForever · 31/10/2024 15:06

VegTrug · 31/10/2024 14:59

WTF??????????? ShockShockShockShock

This is neglect. 6 years old???????? Angry

Don’t be ridiculous

Typical MN hysteria

Completely normal in Scotland. All the kids play out.

VioletCrawleyForever · 31/10/2024 15:05

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VegTrug · 31/10/2024 14:59

VioletCrawleyForever · 30/10/2024 16:08

My 12 year old has been allowed to go to the local park since she was 6.

Since she was 11 she goes on the bus to the cinema or swimming.

Which is completely normal where I live in Scotland

WTF??????????? ShockShockShockShock

This is neglect. 6 years old???????? Angry

VegTrug · 31/10/2024 14:56

YABVVVVVVU - 11?!?!? Absolutely not!

Savingthehedgehogs · 31/10/2024 12:58

I am also wondering how on earth these kids have the time to hang around anywhere. My dc have tons of homework every single night. They couldn’t stay out to 8/9pm if they wanted to.
Add in sports commitments and the odd club and dinner, having a shower, talking through their day. There just wouldn’t or shouldn’t be the time.

Clearly some children are being let down in terms of academic discipline as well.

It seems to be creating a cycle of deprivation.

As the teachers have said on here, they can tell which children go to the park, and which ones don’t. That speaks volumes.

FreshStart2025 · 31/10/2024 12:32

Mine is 11, just started Y7. I have let her go out and about with friends, they either go to park, high street or friends house. I think good to have independence and as long have agreed a return time, she is contactable etc I am happy.

Neurodiversitydoctor · 31/10/2024 12:21

Yes a year 7 home by 6pm unless being collected from a friends house or at an organised activity seems reasonable to me.

I always did home by the year youjust finished in the Summer holidays so 7pm for a 12 year old, 8pm at 13 etc this is for regular curfew obviously there are exeptions.

Neurodiversitydoctor · 31/10/2024 11:46

Savingthehedgehogs · 31/10/2024 08:44

So 3.30/4pm November to March?

We are in the South East so only dark that early in deepest winter. Usually light until 6 by end of January, certainly by February half term.

Sdpbody · 31/10/2024 11:34

I would be concerned that she has a boyfriend that you don't know about.... An 11 year old still needs their phones monitoring and it needs to be done quite consistently.

Sammy900 · 31/10/2024 11:23

These would be the ground rules if we let her go:

  • Absolutely not after dusk/dark (This may reduce it now due to darker nights as she will only have about 45 mins after school / plus I don't think she'd be interested in being out at night / too cold / creepy)
  • Stick to the times arranged. 1-3pm / 11-1pm - or I'll be ringing / coming to find her / ringing the police (I said this for effect)
  • Only with friends we know, no going off with random people or to random peoples houses. Ring me if unsure at any time
  • I'll walk over from a distance to drop her with said friends if needed to ensure they are there and check..but this is just initially and may taper off

We've also had a big on-going chat talking frankly about the dangers / risks and have been honest saying that it's mainly older kids that are a worry and the influence they could have..the park across the road from me has a bunch of kids playing basketball and tennis / football and cricket groups often on the park..lots of mums and toddlers and it is busy as right next to a school. I think in broad day light it's quite safe..there are areas to avoid like enclosed paths but she wont need to go anywhere near them.

If it's just a weekend day in the morning or early pm I think she'd be ok (there are still dangers of course but this is massively reduced at that time). She understands why I said she couldn't just go off and meet a new boy in her year we don't know anything about and was fine about it.

I have said to her that other options for hanging out indoors at places might be better / safer and especially during the winter months when it's dark all the time. I don't want her to have under-developed life skills, be prevented from socialising and mixing with her peers or stunted independence, resillience (age appropriate) - but I also want her to be as safe as possible and not hand her over to criminal gangs, etc

We will also be having another chat about what a boyfriend actually means at her age and what is appropriate and what isn't. I think at the moment it's just a novelty / name thing but will keep my eye on things.

Like I say these things are new to us / going on the park and having a "boy friend" at age 11 ...she was at primary school literally 5 mins ago!

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redskydarknight · 31/10/2024 10:35

Amyknows · 31/10/2024 10:17

@redskydarknight I think you might be thinking of probably our /your generation where kids were really just kids.
Today an 11yo is exposed to/ surrounded by their own peers who have access to so much harmful stuff- porn, drugs, smoking, grooming.

We have had a kid over from a local activity group. 9yo wanting to listen to hardcore rap music with explicit words. My own dc was shocked and told him he's not allowed to play that, we sent him home shortly after and he's never allowed here again. Told ds he is just sticking to his school friends where we know the parents and types of kids.
This was just music, yet that's a child that will hang around the parks and get up to who knows what. I think children today are far too exposed compared to how I grew up and I will have a closer eye on things.
Anyway in our friendship groups/my dc groups parents are present, drop and pick, play dates arranged etc. and that's fine with me.

No, I'm thinking of my own children who are teens and their peer group.
Can I suggest that if you are thinking that secondary school children need playdates organising, or parents always present, you are being massively overprotective?

I have no doubt there are dodgy parks that should be avoided. And many other places that are not parks that should be avoided as well.

OP is talking about her DC hanging out in the park after school, not late at night. I assume she knows her own park (or could walk through it at that time if she doesn't) and doesn't think it is full of predators or drug dealers or people drinking.

A lot of people have gone for the blanket "hanging out in park=bad". No, please judge your own situation. Lots of parks (as I said upthread, there is a park by my DC's school which is full of secondary school children hanging out after school) are perfectly fine due to the way it is constructed, the clear visibility, heavy footfall of people walking through, lighting etc.

Remember many secondary school children are otherwise going back to empty houses as their parents work. They can listen to whatever music they want; look at porn ... Frankly, many of them can do that if their parents are there. It's a question of risk assessing.

My DC have spent years hanging out in our local park after school. There are other places I would worry about them going, but not there. Your local park may be different. Understanding the risks is important, but it's also important to realise when the risk is minimal.

MrsSkylerWhite · 31/10/2024 10:31

Hell, no.

Stuck1001 · 31/10/2024 10:29

Depends on your park but I would want to know who they were meeting, where, how long and certainly home before dusk/dark.

Savingthehedgehogs · 31/10/2024 10:21

It has been well documented that those charged with indecent exposure 9/10 go on to be perpetrators of more serious sexual offences. We have just changed the legal guidelines to increase sentencing powers around exposure to take this into account.

The days of a flasher ( dirty old man as they were known) being benign are well and truly over.

Bubblebuttress · 31/10/2024 10:20

No way, unsafe, grooming, drugs

Amyknows · 31/10/2024 10:18

And recently I have come across a few incidents where men were exposing themselves at parks so the danger might be something like this. No 11yo needs to be hanging around parks.