Is it o.k to let your 11 year old daughter hang out on the local park?

What's there to comment on?
I'm privy to safeguarding data, you are not and you won't be budged or even look it up.

The extreme of micro managing kids lives is not true but risks are different now to when we were younger.

https://www.unseenuk.org/likes-to-lines-county-lines-online-exploitation/

And is still yet another area where the risk is high on social media!!

So you talk to your kid about the risks then, surely? Not just stop letting them go out.
And I notice you haven’t commented on any other aspect of my post

Yes and this sounds great. Part of ‘all round’ independence building. I’m glad kids are still doing this stuff. But it is still an activity chosen for the kid by adults, arranged by adults, the rules are given by adults and the adults drive them there and pick them up. It’s still more regimented than allowing an 11 year old to decide when and where they meet their friends and what they’re going to do together.

Error you are wrong.

You have no idea about county lines, they do get children from nurturing happy families

When my DD was in scouts, the last camp she went on at 11 years old, they dropper them in the middle of a forest in groups of 3 with a compass and a map and told to find their way to the campsite 8km away. They cooked their lunch on their trangia on the way. Now that was proper scouting!

Ooops wrong thread!

Sorry, I just see too many people giving teenage boys a pass on cleaning up and made an assumption that was wrong.

And I have already posted about how life carries risks in all sorts of areas. You need to manage risk vs reward IMO. Anything can happen to any one of us and our kids on a daily basis.

If you remember, me saying ‘it’s rare’ was on the back of some news stories specifically about stabbings.
But yes, stats on murder abduction, attacks and count lines. As someone said upthread, it’s not going to be resilient and streetwise kids from good nurturing families that will be targeted for county lines.
Bullying is another matter entirely. And largely happens over social media (still nobody has answered my question whether they’re ok with their kids having smart phones and social media if they’re not allowed to go to parks) and bullying can of course happen at school. This is another area where kids need to try and learn to stand up for themselves - again, the resilience and confidence that independence brings will help with that.
We are imparting too much fear on to our kids. It manifests in them having anxiety which will end up staying with them for life if they’re not careful.
How many of these kids will need their parents to continue to manage every aspect of the lives for them through Uni and then in to the real world?

What stats? Murder? Abduction?
What about plain bullying, attacks and county lines?

I certainly will once my DS gets to this age.
My point is, many on here are acting as though it’ll definitely happen and I am saying that it won’t. That whatever the stats are, it’s rare

County lines iz probably the biggest threat, where your child is turned into a terrified slave.

Yes but we don't know where you are errors.. Why should anyone else show you this stuff?
Surely you would look up local threats?

I mean that if you show me the % all all children who go to all parks who end up being abducted or killed. It’ll be a very, very low percentage. Hence, me saying it is rare. It’s tragic and sad but thankfully rare. You cannot mitigate against every single risk to your children or they will never have a life.

Mine did, only when light though and didn't have a mobile because they were still expensive 15 years ago.

No don't ask for friends parents numbers and arrange a play date between parents, this does not happen at secondary. Fine to get an emergency number of parents just don't make arrangements for them I mean

@Errors what do you mean provide me some statistics and I'll start to believe you?

Surely you've done your due diligence yourself before working out what to do with the situation?

Why not look up local threats, speficically county lines in your area

I travelled alone with my mates to a static caravan site in the south of france when I was 17. We met some other girls and boys the same age. We were fine despite drinking a bit too much and at least one of us having sex whilst there. I think that is young. But we were actually relatively sensible and looked after ourselves pretty well. It was a little bit of a dry run for university.

I was clubbing abroad from age 14 ds I wouldn’t be ok with the clubbing. I was fine but I took stupid risks with myself and was a honey pot for older men: Girls were given a free drink at every club to entice boys / men in.

None of these things are possible nowadays anyway as you have to have at least one 18 year old in the group and prove your age to go into clubs or buy alcohol. I don’t really understand the relevance of not allowing something, which isn’t possible.

Would I be ok for dd to do these things when she is 17? No. But I wasn’t vulnerable in the same way as my dd. I don’t have a medical condition, where I go unconscious and my heart stops beating then am unable to move for an hour or two and can be unwell for almost a week. I didn’t have anorexia. She will be doing them at 18. She’s already dry run planning. My job is to get her ready for that.

Why?
People to need to accept that your kids WILL rebel against you at some point. We all did with our parents. It’s developmentally normal. Better for them to have some resilience and street smarts so that the rebellious course they choose won’t be catastrophic

I don’t get your point?

I travelled alone with my mates when I was 17 to my parents' house in Portugal. We went to nightclubs. I don't need to go into details but no way would I allow that

I'm 50 and have a degree from a 'proper university' from the time

I don’t know why I am even discussing this sometimes. My boy is going to grow up so independent and resilient in a world where most others won’t. He will be just fine.

And still nobody has answered my question about whether the kids that aren’t allowed to go on parks are allowed to use snap chat with reckless abandon

So, three?
Get me a statistic that shows these horror stories as a percentage of the number of children who go to parks and I may start to believe you.
Statistically, kids are more likely to die in a car crash or get groomed by a family member or some weirdo online.