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To expect replacements as delivery stolen from doorstep?

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Lovetoread123 · 30/10/2024 06:15

I ordered a Christmas beauty calendar from a department store and some new make up from another company. Both were delivered on Monday by the same delivery company when I was out. The delivery photo shows the parcels were left on my doorstep in full view of anyone walking past. Both were stolen as by the time I got home they were not there. Should the retailers replace the items as they were delivered to my address but not received? I’m pretty annoyed as they were a treat and I can’t afford to pay again to replace either of them. AIBU to expect the retailers to provide replacements?

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Catza · 30/10/2024 09:19

WYorkshireRose · 30/10/2024 06:29

Why bother commenting if you don't actually know the answer? Confused

OP, Under the Consumer Rights Act 2015, the retailer is responsible for getting the goods to you intact and in your hands. That means they are responsible for refunding you if there's a delivery failure or alternatively, arranging for a replacement delivery. Contact the retailer and explain what's happened and they should send out replacements.

As far as I am aware, there is no mentioning of "hands" in the Consumer Right Act. The company is responsible for delivery of goods to the consumer which they have done. Since then, the goods have been stolen from a private property which is a different matter entirely.
Most delivery companies, including Royal Mail stipulate that they are not liable for deliveries left in a safe place and you have to tick a box to agree to it. Courier insurance won't pay out if they have proof of delivery, which they do. Retailer fulfilled their obligation by delivering to the address (and have a photographic proof). What isn't possible to prove is the fact of theft.
Some retailers may replace as a gesture of good will but it is unlikely to be their legal obligation.

Halvana · 30/10/2024 09:15

But if a long shot maybe but have you checked with the neighbours? It's just about possible one of them appeared and the courier left it with them after taking the photo or even one of them spied the parcels sat out and took them in for safe keeping. Mine have done this.

Printedword · 30/10/2024 09:12

susiedaisy1912 · 30/10/2024 07:10

Common sense should have prevailed though. It was an expensive item and the op didn't arrange a safe place or to collect it from the local collection point but instead chose to let it be delivered and left in full view of the general public. Was never going to end well especially this time of year when pitch pirates are out in full force.

No, safe and sensible delivery can never be just left on doorstep unless that’s been designated as a safe place. Also, this person lied and said delivered to neighbours.

There are so many weird people in here on the side of the delivery companies and retailers

Mandylovescandy · 30/10/2024 09:11

WYorkshireRose · 30/10/2024 06:29

Why bother commenting if you don't actually know the answer? Confused

OP, Under the Consumer Rights Act 2015, the retailer is responsible for getting the goods to you intact and in your hands. That means they are responsible for refunding you if there's a delivery failure or alternatively, arranging for a replacement delivery. Contact the retailer and explain what's happened and they should send out replacements.

This. I had an issue once with something being delivered to my neighbour in a massive block of flats. The company tried to claim I should just find it despite them not saying which flat it went to. Once I challenged them with this legislation my replacement item was delivered the next day.Yourdoorstep isn't a safe place and they didn't deliver it to you

Printedword · 30/10/2024 09:06

susiedaisy1912 · 30/10/2024 06:21

No it's up to you to provide a safe place for the delivery driver to leave them or you choose to collect them from your nearest collection point.

If you don’t nominate a safe delivery area then they should not be just leaving it on the doorstep. Completely unjustifiable

Hypermedi · 30/10/2024 09:03

VimesandhisCardboardBoots · 30/10/2024 09:01

What a stupid post. Have you never asked for advice on how to approach something before?

I just think it's basics to contact the company first- a quick call or online chat and then maybe query it on here if you don't get the response you were expecting. No offence intended it's just bizarre to me to not crack on and do that the moment you realised the items were stolen 🤷‍♀️

VimesandhisCardboardBoots · 30/10/2024 09:01

Hypermedi · 30/10/2024 07:23

I love how you've started a thread on mumsnet without even contacting the retailers yet 😄 its just so random.

What a stupid post. Have you never asked for advice on how to approach something before?

Ap42 · 30/10/2024 08:59

This has happened to me too. Dispute the delivery and go from there. You will receive replacements so try not to worry. I once had a cot stolen from my Mums front door step! Some people have no shame.

mitogoshigg · 30/10/2024 08:58

Yes the retailer is responsible unless you have specified to the courier that doorstep delivery is ok. To be honest I have doorstep defaulted on my various accounts as it's fine where I live (drive down the road and 1/3 of houses have either HelloFresh or Gousto on a Monday afternoon Grin) . But.... they will try to wiggle out of it so have all information ready to upload

ainkeepsfalling · 30/10/2024 08:53

Yes they should.

I ordered gifts for my DS and they were left on a doorstep on a busy street when they should've been delivered to an office porter. They were stolen and the company I bought them from re sent them. I was able to show them a photograph of where they were left and I assume they claimed from the delivery company.

Auburngal · 30/10/2024 08:53

Do you have Ring or any other video doorbell footage? Brilliant tool. Thieves still take parcels even when they can see the doorbell. Then you can upload the image of the scum on SM,

suburburban · 30/10/2024 08:52

msbevvy · 30/10/2024 06:54

My neighbour had a parcel go missing from outside her door when she was in and the courier hadn't knocked.

She was expecting the delivery and looked outside the second that got a notification that it had been delivered with a photo of it against her door. It was nowhere to be seen. This is indoors on a landing with only 2 other flats and no passers by. Delivery drivers have been known to deliberately not knock and photograph the parcel and then steal it.

Unless the photo was of you recieving the goods or the parcel inside your front door or somewhere that you specifically told them to leave it the company you bought from will be responsible.

Yes they seem to do this

Even when DH was home or up the road it was left on doorstep. Fortunately he retrieved it

Auburngal · 30/10/2024 08:51

A tip for those who get notifications to say parcel is delivered and photo isn't your house, check postcodes of the last two letters reversed. If they are HJ, try if the postcode ending JH. A quick Google will see if there is a postcode of your last two letters reversed then do a Streetview. My parents had a parcel and photo was not their property. On looking at the photo, the house was 1950s semi. I said to my parents to flip the last two letters round of postcode. They did this and found the property which is a street off the other side of the main road.

Also B and Ds get mixed as well as Y and V. As some fonts make difficult to tell the difference.

ShakeUpYourTiredEyes · 30/10/2024 08:44

Yes you have a case. This happened to me last year with JD sports and house of Fraser parcels on the same.day delivered by evri left on the door step. Both companies were great and I had nothing to do with evri about it. They ask a lot of questions and proof that you didn't receive them which is weird so I just sent a photo of my front door on the same day time and date stamped that shoed when I'd got home and no parcels there matching my statement of the time I'd got home. You have to sign and agree that basically you're happy for them to involve the police because you're not being untruthful and then they sorted it out. Good luck

shuffleofftobuffalo · 30/10/2024 08:39

The retailer needs to sort this out.

In future though collection points are a better option (so long as you have one conveniently located of course). Couriers seem to be a law unto themselves and it will only get worse as Xmas approaches and they hire in new temporary staff.

Completelyjo · 30/10/2024 08:35

susiedaisy1912 · 30/10/2024 06:21

No it's up to you to provide a safe place for the delivery driver to leave them or you choose to collect them from your nearest collection point.

No it isn’t, if the recipient isn’t in and there’s no safe space the parcel shouldn’t be left.

MistyWater · 30/10/2024 08:34

I had Amazon post my parcel through the letter box of an unoccupied house across the road. No idea why as clearly it would have also fitted through my own letter box. Trying to explain to the customer service operator why I couldn’t just go round and get it was far more difficult than it should have been!

Katemax82 · 30/10/2024 08:26

susiedaisy1912 · 30/10/2024 06:21

No it's up to you to provide a safe place for the delivery driver to leave them or you choose to collect them from your nearest collection point.

That's nonsense, at royal mail we were not allowed to "doorstep" parcels for this exact reason, if no safe place we would try a neighbour or take the parcel back to the delivery office

Lemonade2011 · 30/10/2024 08:20

I have no ‘safe space’ for parcels to be left. Evri guy kept leaving them on my backdoor step, not safe as a full order was taken from there, one even chucked a package over the gate. Both were refunded and the guy knows not to, would be fine if on Evri I state to leave with neighbours both fine who would hand a package in for me, but they are too lazy to actually read notes and walk 5 steps to neighbours it seems. I try to avoid buying things from places who has Evri now

Auburngal · 30/10/2024 08:16

I had parcels left with people down my road "signed by (surname)" with no house number. I only know 4 people's surnames down my road - both neighbours (as couriers left parcels for them with me), a lady down my road and the bitch I have mentioned in a PP.

The photo didn't help either as it was the bottom half of the door with no stand out features. It also had a man's leg wearing black socks - narrows that down a lot (not). Asked a few people over the few days when I saw them out and about down my road. Asking did you take in a parcel and do you recognise the man's leg?

I got the refund from the website

Mostlyoblivious · 30/10/2024 08:11

Legally until you physically receive the delivery from whomever the company you purchased from gave you the option of at checkout, or you have consented to a safe place that they have used, then it is up to the retailer to resolve as they have not fulfilled the contract.

Look up your rights, get a template and send it: also raise it with whatever mechanism you chose to pay with.

FastandLoose · 30/10/2024 08:10

Bamboozledbylife · 30/10/2024 06:24

I'd expect the retailer to claim through the delivery company. It's there fault, not the retailer.
Unless of course you told them your safe space was on your doorstep....

This

Wheelz46 · 30/10/2024 08:10

Did you pay by credit card? If you get nowhere with the merchant or the courier, you could raise a dispute with your credit card company.

It sounds like you would have a good case to raise a dispute too with the delivery message contradicting the photo evidence.

If you did pay by debit card, I am not sure if you have the same protection but you could ask your bank provider.

twentysevendresses · 30/10/2024 07:59

cariadlet · 30/10/2024 06:53

Had you put a safe place on the form when you ordered them? I can't see how it's the delivery company's fault unless they ignored your safe place instructions.

If you didn't put any, then it seems like very bad luck.

Rubbish.