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ZoeZee · 2024-10-29T19:51:32+00:00

If you’ve not had a pay rise this year, despite bringing it up to your employer, and now there’s set to be another 6% NMW increase next year (which is fantastic, don’t get me wrong) the pay gap is narrowing ever more between skilled/unskilled employees. Skilled and those with MANY years of experience, might as ditch their responsible/stressful jobs (which often keep you awake at night) and look for something that doesn’t have the added responsibility? Almost 20 years experience means nothing to some employers! AIBU? Any employers who have a view on this increase, please let me know how this might affect you and your staff.

Jtdoyoveme · 29/10/2024 20:20

midgetastic · 29/10/2024 20:17

Are most of a care homes costs wages, the 25% profit or the mortgage on the actual property?

not all care homes are self funding. The one I work for has various LA’s paying fees. They have a cap on fees so the increase in wages, food, medical supplies, all other costs and an increase in minimum wage will mean cuts in other places, but how long that can go on for, whoever knows

HairyPie · 29/10/2024 20:19

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Carpr · 29/10/2024 20:19

There is a huge amount of people earning around £25k - £30k, they will be mightily miffed I guess if they have been years in the job with a lot of extra responsibilities over those who are new and unskilled earning nearly the same, I doubt employers will put their salary up

Fromage1 · 29/10/2024 20:18

ZoeZee · 29/10/2024 20:00

Once I take my travel costs into consideration I might as well go wash pots in my local pub! End of the day, my job will be done and I can go home stress free!

Well do it then. What’s stopping you?

IDontHateRainbows · 29/10/2024 20:18

midgetastic · 29/10/2024 20:17

Are most of a care homes costs wages, the 25% profit or the mortgage on the actual property?

Wages. Around 90% in the one I work for.

midgetastic · 29/10/2024 20:17

Are most of a care homes costs wages, the 25% profit or the mortgage on the actual property?

DownThePubWithStevieNicks · 29/10/2024 20:17

Ridiculousradish · 29/10/2024 20:14

High stress does not equal high pay. I'm a SEN TA and my job is incredibly stressful. I early about 16k a year.

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Indeed, as I said I’ve done NMW jobs that were very stressful, and I acknowledged e.g. care workers are usually on NMW and that’s a very stressful job!

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worldwidetravel2017 · 29/10/2024 20:16

AgnesX · 29/10/2024 20:15

It's time people realised the true cost of business. People deserve to be paid properly for working in poorly paid jobs, with anti social hours and physically hard jobs eg caring.

I'm also assuming that employers will pick this up while the govt reduces it's benefits burden....

Very much agree with your first paragraph

Bringautumnnights · 29/10/2024 20:16

Nmw is getting dangerously close to my husbands salary - he works stupidly unsocial in a manual engineering role - he's looking at moving to a nmw job for less stress and similar pay but better hours.

AgnesX · 29/10/2024 20:15

It's time people realised the true cost of business. People deserve to be paid properly for working in poorly paid jobs, with anti social hours and physically hard jobs eg caring.

I'm also assuming that employers will pick this up while the govt reduces it's benefits burden....

Ridiculousradish · 29/10/2024 20:14

buffyspikefaith · 29/10/2024 20:13

NMW jobs often still have stress and responsibilities and keep you awake at night, but then you've also got the fact you're trying to live on NMW

Agreed. 100%

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ZoeZee · 29/10/2024 20:14

DownThePubWithStevieNicks · 29/10/2024 20:06

I find this a really depressing attitude. By all means fight for better pay, but to begrudge a NMW increase because you think you’re better is awful. Care workers with 20 years experience might be on NMW.

If you have so much responsibility that you’re kept up at night worrying about it, I’d be very surprised to hear you’re on less than c. £20p/h equivalent. That’s still a big gap from NMW.

I have a high stress job. I’m paid accordingly (probs around £40 p/h). I’ve had NMW jobs, many years ago. They were awful. Still plenty of stress, but next to no autonomy, and treated like crap by employers and customers alike.

Another who has not read my opening post!

Where do I begrudge NMW because I think ‘I’m better’ - don’t make things up!

My Employer is the one I have a grievance with!

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Jtdoyoveme · 29/10/2024 20:14

ExtraOnions · 29/10/2024 20:12

If you can’t afford to pay your staff £12ph, you shouldn’t have a business.

Really? Private companies making a ridiculous profit then yes, but as PP said, this effects nurseries, schools, care homes etc.

Ridiculousradish · 29/10/2024 20:14

DownThePubWithStevieNicks · 29/10/2024 20:06

I find this a really depressing attitude. By all means fight for better pay, but to begrudge a NMW increase because you think you’re better is awful. Care workers with 20 years experience might be on NMW.

If you have so much responsibility that you’re kept up at night worrying about it, I’d be very surprised to hear you’re on less than c. £20p/h equivalent. That’s still a big gap from NMW.

I have a high stress job. I’m paid accordingly (probs around £40 p/h). I’ve had NMW jobs, many years ago. They were awful. Still plenty of stress, but next to no autonomy, and treated like crap by employers and customers alike.

High stress does not equal high pay. I'm a SEN TA and my job is incredibly stressful. I early about 16k a year.

buffyspikefaith · 29/10/2024 20:13

NMW jobs often still have stress and responsibilities and keep you awake at night, but then you've also got the fact you're trying to live on NMW

worldwidetravel2017 · 29/10/2024 20:13

ExtraOnions · 29/10/2024 20:12

If you can’t afford to pay your staff £12ph, you shouldn’t have a business.

Agreed

ExtraOnions · 29/10/2024 20:12

If you can’t afford to pay your staff £12ph, you shouldn’t have a business.

MissRachelismycoparent · 29/10/2024 20:12

I can't understand why they've done this. This is going to have a huge effect on nurseries who are already struggling and parents paying the fees who are already struggling

IVFmumoftwo · 29/10/2024 20:12

The concern is being offered fewer hours than you used to get. Plus everything just rises in price anyway.

Jtdoyoveme · 29/10/2024 20:10

Even with the gap closing, the NMW just pushes up employers wages bill which is then passed on to the the consumer so it’s a vicious circle.

NMW is also supplemented by Universal Credit

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ZoeZee · 29/10/2024 20:10

mondaytosunday · 29/10/2024 20:07

Yes but will you be satisfied washing pots in a pub? Isn't work more than just a paycheque? Rather than resent those on NMW getting a rise, which with inflation taken into account isn't much, those in your position need to advocate for better wages. Not simple I realise.

Please don’t add fiction to your post! Please READ what I stated in my OP! Where did I state that I resented those on NMW getting an increase? I stated the opposite in fact.

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WhitegreeNcandle · 29/10/2024 20:09

It’s a huge jump. I do agree that NMW needs to rise but this is going to really really hurt small employers and also those manual workers with experience.

mondaytosunday · 29/10/2024 20:07

Yes but will you be satisfied washing pots in a pub? Isn't work more than just a paycheque? Rather than resent those on NMW getting a rise, which with inflation taken into account isn't much, those in your position need to advocate for better wages. Not simple I realise.

DownThePubWithStevieNicks · 29/10/2024 20:06

I find this a really depressing attitude. By all means fight for better pay, but to begrudge a NMW increase because you think you’re better is awful. Care workers with 20 years experience might be on NMW.

If you have so much responsibility that you’re kept up at night worrying about it, I’d be very surprised to hear you’re on less than c. £20p/h equivalent. That’s still a big gap from NMW.

I have a high stress job. I’m paid accordingly (probs around £40 p/h). I’ve had NMW jobs, many years ago. They were awful. Still plenty of stress, but next to no autonomy, and treated like crap by employers and customers alike.