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NMW to increase again next year to £12.21 ph.

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ZoeZee · 29/10/2024 19:51

If you’ve not had a pay rise this year, despite bringing it up to your employer, and now there’s set to be another 6% NMW increase next year (which is fantastic, don’t get me wrong) the pay gap is narrowing ever more between skilled/unskilled employees.

Skilled and those with MANY years of experience, might as ditch their responsible/stressful jobs (which often keep you awake at night) and look for something that doesn’t have the added responsibility?

Almost 20 years experience means nothing to some employers! AIBU?

Any employers who have a view on this increase, please let me know how this might affect you and your staff.

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Thevelvelletes · 29/10/2024 20:32

ZoeZee · 29/10/2024 20:28

Again, I DON’T think I’m better! I DO however have many years of experience in a highly demanding role, one which would take a new staff member many years to reach my level.

It’s not those on NMW I have an issue with (As I’ve quite clearly pointed out in my OP)!

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If you're in such a professional position you've nothing to worry about.
Don't cast aspirations on Nmw worker's and the responsibilities they have.
Remember these worker's kept shops open during COVID and we're oh so valued then.

buffyspikefaith · 29/10/2024 20:32

Tippythedog · 29/10/2024 20:25

I'm shocked that this is even an existing hourly wage.

Look at band 3 NHS
That's your emergency call takers - the responsibility for them is huge. Barely over min wage
Care work, supermarkets, call centres...

MidnightPatrol · 29/10/2024 20:31

It will probably have some inflationary impact next year, as employers raise costs to cover this and the likely employers NI increase.

I mean… good if it is hand-in-hand with reducing in-work benefits… but to support paying higher wages lower taxes / rates would help… and that’s probably not happening.

Full time minimum wage now £25k as a result.

Wellingtonspie · 29/10/2024 20:30

People have totally misread you op.

Ops issues isn’t with people getting a pay rise.

It’s that it doesn’t travel up. Is minimum wage goes up by say £2 but everyone else doesn’t also go up by £2 an hour then you have devalued the other jobs.

HairyPie · 29/10/2024 20:30

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Carpr · 29/10/2024 20:30

Tippythedog · 29/10/2024 20:25

I'm shocked that this is even an existing hourly wage.

Shocked, surely you must realise that not everyone earns a high wage like you obviously do

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ZoeZee · 29/10/2024 20:29

ExitViaGiftShop · 29/10/2024 20:27

What a strange attitude. If you feel underpaid and/ or undervalued by your employer take it up with them! Throwing a strop because low paid workers are getting a small raise is ridiculous.

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I have taken it up with them - As per my OP! - rinse/repeat!

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Chocolateteabag · 29/10/2024 20:28

ExtraOnions · 29/10/2024 20:12

If you can’t afford to pay your staff £12ph, you shouldn’t have a business.

It's not that the employer has to pay £12 per hour, it's that everyone above NMW will also now want an equivalent rise in their pay per hour

You could otherwise have people who had been promoted up a level now on the same pay as those with a lower skill or responsibility level
Would you like to manage people who were paid the same as you?

Then there is the rise in Employers NI to also factor in

This will mean an overall rise in the cost of employing people - either reduce the heads you employ or pass on the cost to your customers

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ZoeZee · 29/10/2024 20:28

TheHateIsNotGood · 29/10/2024 20:20

For those thinking that they are so qualified and experienced that they may as well get an NMW job as it will be sooooo much easier - off you trot then. Get used to SSP, etc and the barest minimum of many of the T&Cs you currently enjoy. And, of course, people like the OP thinking they're just that little bit better than you.

Again, I DON’T think I’m better! I DO however have many years of experience in a highly demanding role, one which would take a new staff member many years to reach my level.

It’s not those on NMW I have an issue with (As I’ve quite clearly pointed out in my OP)!

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ExitViaGiftShop · 29/10/2024 20:27

ZoeZee · 29/10/2024 19:51

If you’ve not had a pay rise this year, despite bringing it up to your employer, and now there’s set to be another 6% NMW increase next year (which is fantastic, don’t get me wrong) the pay gap is narrowing ever more between skilled/unskilled employees.

Skilled and those with MANY years of experience, might as ditch their responsible/stressful jobs (which often keep you awake at night) and look for something that doesn’t have the added responsibility?

Almost 20 years experience means nothing to some employers! AIBU?

Any employers who have a view on this increase, please let me know how this might affect you and your staff.

What a strange attitude. If you feel underpaid and/ or undervalued by your employer take it up with them! Throwing a strop because low paid workers are getting a small raise is ridiculous.

DownThePubWithStevieNicks · 29/10/2024 20:26

ZoeZee · 29/10/2024 20:20

Tbh, by 2025 there really isn’t anything stopping me. I have what, maybe 13 years left until retirement, don’t think there really is anything stopping me now.

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Back-breaking work, pot washing. Especially once you're in your fifties. Kitchens are usually toxic environments too. And the pub won’t be making any further contributions to your pension, so I assume that the job you don’t think there is any point continuing to do has swelled your pot handsomely over the years if you can afford to grow it no more.

Radiolala · 29/10/2024 20:26

Gingernaut · 29/10/2024 20:20

Meanwhile, every NHS Band 2, who do the majority of the admin and donkey work, is currently on £12.08ph after the latest payrise

we don’t have band 2 in our trust.
Are your admin and support staff (I’m guessing that’s what you mean by the people doing the donkey work?) really band 2?

Thevelvelletes · 29/10/2024 20:26

BrandNewKey · 29/10/2024 20:23

So that’s roughly £23500 a year for a full time role.

Try and find a full time role.
It's near enough under 16 hrs to avoid paying NI contributions for employees.

TammyJones · 29/10/2024 20:25

Gingernaut · 29/10/2024 20:20

Meanwhile, every NHS Band 2, who do the majority of the admin and donkey work, is currently on £12.08ph after the latest payrise

My neighbour pointed this out as well.

Tippythedog · 29/10/2024 20:25

I'm shocked that this is even an existing hourly wage.

HairyPie · 29/10/2024 20:24

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Thevelvelletes · 29/10/2024 20:23

ZoeZee · 29/10/2024 19:51

If you’ve not had a pay rise this year, despite bringing it up to your employer, and now there’s set to be another 6% NMW increase next year (which is fantastic, don’t get me wrong) the pay gap is narrowing ever more between skilled/unskilled employees.

Skilled and those with MANY years of experience, might as ditch their responsible/stressful jobs (which often keep you awake at night) and look for something that doesn’t have the added responsibility?

Almost 20 years experience means nothing to some employers! AIBU?

Any employers who have a view on this increase, please let me know how this might affect you and your staff.

Are you for real, you've no Idea of the expectations of a nmw employee from employer's..it's hard graft from start to finish..ask any supermarket employee.
Take your head out of your arse
You haven't got a fucking clue what nmw worker's endure

BrandNewKey · 29/10/2024 20:23

So that’s roughly £23500 a year for a full time role.

Frowningprovidence · 29/10/2024 20:23

Carpr · 29/10/2024 20:19

There is a huge amount of people earning around £25k - £30k, they will be mightily miffed I guess if they have been years in the job with a lot of extra responsibilities over those who are new and unskilled earning nearly the same, I doubt employers will put their salary up

I agree. If you did the minimum wage job, did extra qualifications and took on extra responsibilities to earn in the next bracket up, but then the gap is smaller it isn't very motivating to keep going.

Sometime the next step up is nicer in other ways like flexibility or interest but not always.

palmtreessunshine · 29/10/2024 20:23

Thehop · 29/10/2024 20:04

We're a small private nursery. We will have to close I think. Funding just won't cover the increase and we can't get enough income in our area from private hours to support a pay rise no matter how much staff deserve it.

It’s not just NMW that will do in these small businesses- it also the ending of business rate relief AND an increase of employers NI. It’s going to bloody crush small businesses, and a load of people will end up laid off, so it won’t really matter how much anyone deserves a pay rise.

Jtdoyoveme · 29/10/2024 20:22

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Leading to more accidents and more pressure on the NHS/A&E/Ambulances etc

BCBird · 29/10/2024 20:21

We should not be accepting that staff get poorly paid. It scandalous

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ZoeZee · 29/10/2024 20:20

Fromage1 · 29/10/2024 20:18

Well do it then. What’s stopping you?

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Tbh, by 2025 there really isn’t anything stopping me. I have what, maybe 13 years left until retirement, don’t think there really is anything stopping me now.

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TheHateIsNotGood · 29/10/2024 20:20

For those thinking that they are so qualified and experienced that they may as well get an NMW job as it will be sooooo much easier - off you trot then. Get used to SSP, etc and the barest minimum of many of the T&Cs you currently enjoy. And, of course, people like the OP thinking they're just that little bit better than you.

Gingernaut · 29/10/2024 20:20

Meanwhile, every NHS Band 2, who do the majority of the admin and donkey work, is currently on £12.08ph after the latest payrise