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NMW to increase again next year to £12.21 ph.

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ZoeZee · 29/10/2024 19:51

If you’ve not had a pay rise this year, despite bringing it up to your employer, and now there’s set to be another 6% NMW increase next year (which is fantastic, don’t get me wrong) the pay gap is narrowing ever more between skilled/unskilled employees.

Skilled and those with MANY years of experience, might as ditch their responsible/stressful jobs (which often keep you awake at night) and look for something that doesn’t have the added responsibility?

Almost 20 years experience means nothing to some employers! AIBU?

Any employers who have a view on this increase, please let me know how this might affect you and your staff.

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Lucy25 · 01/11/2024 21:36

MintsPi · 29/10/2024 23:16

I am completely against the rise. This will lead to a huge increase in my weekly shop. The staff there are friendly but I am not concerned if they can pay their bills or not. Getting my shopping cheaper is far more of a concern.

Maybe the government could look at building large communal homes where all these workers can live? Food, water, heating and a small room all supplied in exchange for their wages. If they want anything more than that they should have worked harder.

What an awful attitude, just considering your own needs and conveniently forgetting, it was these workers, who worked throughout the lockdowns, how would we have managed without them.
As far as building a large communal home, so they can have 1 room, for these workers to live in, in exchange for their wages, sorry to break this to you, slavery has been abolished in the UK.
Maybe the Conservatives, might consider this proposal, in their next manifesto.

JenniferBooth · 01/11/2024 20:59

Bet @MintsPi loved the lockdowns

Bodeganights · 01/11/2024 20:37

MintsPi · 29/10/2024 23:16

I am completely against the rise. This will lead to a huge increase in my weekly shop. The staff there are friendly but I am not concerned if they can pay their bills or not. Getting my shopping cheaper is far more of a concern.

Maybe the government could look at building large communal homes where all these workers can live? Food, water, heating and a small room all supplied in exchange for their wages. If they want anything more than that they should have worked harder.

Aka the poorhouse.

KatyJ89 · 01/11/2024 20:32

Nope, not being unreasonable. Hence why I left my bid writer job to go and work in a supermarket after my second child. No childcare (because of my working hours) no deadline stress, no smarmy Partners to deal with at work and, most depressingly of all, better hourly pay 😂

IDontHateRainbows · 01/11/2024 20:14

Xenia · 31/10/2024 09:04

I remember when for the first time ever we got a minimum wage in the UK and the difficulties it caused with pay differentials. I would rather the free market prevailed but we are as we are and may be the higher minimum will mean fewer benefits are paid to parents who work I suppose. I would also like there to be fewer people fighting for jobs too but given the UK's record numbers tha tis not likely to happen any time soon.

However even in my profession where most lawyers are not in City firms on high pay, may paralegals will get £23k a year. That is now minimum wage once these changes come in so you do A levels, a 3 year law degree, a one year post grad, take on huge debts, have a 15% student loan charge including post grad loan, have not got a contract to train a law firm so are a pare legal and after all those years of non earnings now you are on the minimum wage.

If we move as a result into an inflationary spiral (which I don't want) the silver lining is that those with large mortgages will find in effect they become much less in real terms because of effects of inflation - that is small comfort to many however.

Yeah and I remember working for £2.50 per hour as a student in the 90s.

At least students weren't taxed then unlike non students.

Gotta love that free market!

JenniferBooth · 01/11/2024 19:58

buffyspikefaith · 31/10/2024 11:02

MN "100k is nothing now"
Also MN "why do people need more than £12ph, that's plenty"

Yep Middle class MN hypocrisy at its finest

justasking111 · 01/11/2024 18:21

NewstartOct2024 · 01/11/2024 18:12

So she's on zero hours anyway, he can't afford to pay her when she qualifies, and will get rid of her. But you are saying its down to the increase in NMW which hasn't happened yet. Umm OK, course it is. 🙄

And the NHS increase. He'll wait till the spring.

The clients have been affected, it all drips downwards in a domino effect.

NewstartOct2024 · 01/11/2024 18:12

justasking111 · 01/11/2024 17:15

She's on a zero hours contract until she gets her degree because her hours vary depending on her study work load.

It's a pity but what's the alternative.

So she's on zero hours anyway, he can't afford to pay her when she qualifies, and will get rid of her. But you are saying its down to the increase in NMW which hasn't happened yet. Umm OK, course it is. 🙄

justasking111 · 01/11/2024 17:27

Blanketyre · 01/11/2024 17:22

Well lucky you having a large HR team. In a small business like ours we have to do it ourselves while taking advice from our HR consultant.

If this employee is on a zero hours contract then if course it's easier. The ppl didn't say she was zero hours and last in. She suggested she was being let go because she was an unmarried childless woman.

Of course you can make people redundant for cost savings. But what you can't do is pick someone from a pool of equal serving employees because they don't have a family, which is what the pp was saying.

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Yebbut that is why, she was going to be permanent, full time, salaried after her degree. That's no longer possible. She lives at home, whereas the others all have family commitments.

They're all lovely hard working employees. He's not going to replace her in the foreseeable future.

Blanketyre · 01/11/2024 17:22

DanielaDressen · 01/11/2024 17:15

Doesn't seem very onerous or particularly long from where I am, working for a very large organisation with a clued up HR team who have made people redundant and looks like we are gearing up for round 2. As long as they do things by the book with the right consultation period, etc they can say that need to make cost savings and get rid of people. I've been through it in a few different companies.

Well lucky you having a large HR team. In a small business like ours we have to do it ourselves while taking advice from our HR consultant.

If this employee is on a zero hours contract then if course it's easier. The ppl didn't say she was zero hours and last in. She suggested she was being let go because she was an unmarried childless woman.

Of course you can make people redundant for cost savings. But what you can't do is pick someone from a pool of equal serving employees because they don't have a family, which is what the pp was saying.

justasking111 · 01/11/2024 17:20

DanielaDressen · 01/11/2024 17:15

Doesn't seem very onerous or particularly long from where I am, working for a very large organisation with a clued up HR team who have made people redundant and looks like we are gearing up for round 2. As long as they do things by the book with the right consultation period, etc they can say that need to make cost savings and get rid of people. I've been through it in a few different companies.

I worked for a hotel group whose investors were Kuwaiti. Their assets were frozen during the gulf war. The redundancies were ferocious. Most of the managers across the group got the boot on the same day. It was awful.

Companies sometimes have to do this, no-one enjoys it.

justasking111 · 01/11/2024 17:15

She's on a zero hours contract until she gets her degree because her hours vary depending on her study work load.

It's a pity but what's the alternative.

DanielaDressen · 01/11/2024 17:15

Blanketyre · 01/11/2024 16:46

The process of making someone redundant is long and onerous. She could take them to a tribunal and win if they didn't provide clear and legal reasoning.

Doesn't seem very onerous or particularly long from where I am, working for a very large organisation with a clued up HR team who have made people redundant and looks like we are gearing up for round 2. As long as they do things by the book with the right consultation period, etc they can say that need to make cost savings and get rid of people. I've been through it in a few different companies.

MrsRobinsonsHandprints · 01/11/2024 17:10

Blanketyre · 01/11/2024 16:46

The process of making someone redundant is long and onerous. She could take them to a tribunal and win if they didn't provide clear and legal reasoning.

The reason will be that they can no longer afford to pay her. You are naive if you think that only lawful decisions get made.

Blanketyre · 01/11/2024 16:46

MrsRobinsonsHandprints · 01/11/2024 16:44

But we all know things like this happen. You wouldn't be able to prove that was the reason.

The process of making someone redundant is long and onerous. She could take them to a tribunal and win if they didn't provide clear and legal reasoning.

Blanketyre · 01/11/2024 16:44

justasking111 · 01/11/2024 16:38

Last in.

OK, so she's being let go for that reason then and not because she's unmarried.

MrsRobinsonsHandprints · 01/11/2024 16:44

Blanketyre · 01/11/2024 14:16

My son is looking at every employee and who has to go. He's decided on an employee who is young unmarried to protect the other two who are married with children

This is against the law. Presumably as I mentioned, this is not true - ie not the reason for making her redundant.

But we all know things like this happen. You wouldn't be able to prove that was the reason.

justasking111 · 01/11/2024 16:38

IVFmumoftwo · 01/11/2024 13:59

Was she employed before them or after? Just usually it is last in, first out.

Last in.

Blanketyre · 01/11/2024 14:16

My son is looking at every employee and who has to go. He's decided on an employee who is young unmarried to protect the other two who are married with children

This is against the law. Presumably as I mentioned, this is not true - ie not the reason for making her redundant.

Blanketyre · 01/11/2024 14:14

justasking111 · 01/11/2024 13:45

It's true, she's part time doing university to increase her knowledge. He can't afford her once she's qualified.

You cannot make someone redundant because they don't have a family. It is against the law.

IVFmumoftwo · 01/11/2024 13:59

justasking111 · 01/11/2024 13:45

It's true, she's part time doing university to increase her knowledge. He can't afford her once she's qualified.

Was she employed before them or after? Just usually it is last in, first out.

hamsterchump · 01/11/2024 13:53

justasking111 · 01/11/2024 13:45

It's true, she's part time doing university to increase her knowledge. He can't afford her once she's qualified.

Might be a good idea to tell your son to have a read up on the rules around redundancy, he sounds a bit clueless. I hope his employee is entitled to a good pay out and finds new work quickly.

justasking111 · 01/11/2024 13:45

Blanketyre · 01/11/2024 13:39

Ooh. Careful. He can't just pick people for that reason! I'm presuming this isn't true.

It's true, she's part time doing university to increase her knowledge. He can't afford her once she's qualified.

Blanketyre · 01/11/2024 13:39

justasking111 · 01/11/2024 13:35

My son is looking at every employee and who has to go. He's decided on an employee who is young unmarried to protect the other two who are married with children. That's the reality.

Ooh. Careful. He can't just pick people for that reason! I'm presuming this isn't true.

justasking111 · 01/11/2024 13:35

My son is looking at every employee and who has to go. He's decided on an employee who is young unmarried to protect the other two who are married with children. That's the reality.

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