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NMW to increase again next year to £12.21 ph.

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ZoeZee · 29/10/2024 19:51

If you’ve not had a pay rise this year, despite bringing it up to your employer, and now there’s set to be another 6% NMW increase next year (which is fantastic, don’t get me wrong) the pay gap is narrowing ever more between skilled/unskilled employees.

Skilled and those with MANY years of experience, might as ditch their responsible/stressful jobs (which often keep you awake at night) and look for something that doesn’t have the added responsibility?

Almost 20 years experience means nothing to some employers! AIBU?

Any employers who have a view on this increase, please let me know how this might affect you and your staff.

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WhitegreeNcandle · 30/10/2024 08:28

ExtraOnions · 29/10/2024 20:12

If you can’t afford to pay your staff £12ph, you shouldn’t have a business.

I see so much of this. I think a lot of MN underestimates how many people and in what industries are on minimum wage.

My business supplies supermarkets with an item that a huge percentage of you will buy on a weekly basis. In our contract with the supermarket they know how much we pay our staff and what the costs are. The deal we have (and this goes for an awful lot of farmers) is that when our costs go up they will pay us more I.e a guaranteed margin. Staff costs are our second highest cost. Guess what’s going to happen to the items you buy in the supermarket.

Shitshower · 30/10/2024 08:25

Blanketyre · 30/10/2024 08:14

Of course they aren't hounded.

Try being an employer if you want to know what being hounded is like!

If you read some of my earlier posts you will see I was.

I had a business and some staff. My business was a great idea, I loved it, but it was not financially viable.

Shitshower · 30/10/2024 08:22

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 30/10/2024 08:18

Are you are politician? Because this is what a weasely politician would post.

All I wanted to ask was how exactly PP was being hounded by the the evil UC.

It seems she is not.

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Due to illness one month my wages fell, I had to go in, despite having a full time job until I was deemed to be working at capacity again.

I can’t go out of the UK on holiday without giving notice due to new rules.

i have had two benefit entitlement checks, involving months of statements from all my accounts. That is whilst working full time and then getting my income each month.

i consider that excessive, and i consider it hounding.

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 30/10/2024 08:18

Are you are politician? Because this is what a weasely politician would post.

All I wanted to ask was how exactly PP was being hounded by the the evil UC.

It seems she is not.

MikeRafone · 30/10/2024 08:15

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 30/10/2024 08:12

So you are not “hounded”?

working benefits are morally wrong, people should be able to work full time without the need for benefits. It has become the norm for low wages though so people accept this situation

Blanketyre · 30/10/2024 08:14

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 30/10/2024 08:12

So you are not “hounded”?

Of course they aren't hounded.

Try being an employer if you want to know what being hounded is like!

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 30/10/2024 08:12

Shitshower · 30/10/2024 07:25

Point is, I am at work full time. I should earn enough that I don’t need UC to pay me promptly.

So you are not “hounded”?

MikeRafone · 30/10/2024 08:03

The NMW of 77p will increase a worker on NMW by £30 per week £133 per month

For the government this will reduce working benefits by millions £, which is a saving. It will also increase tax incoming as the extra £1600 will be taxed at 20%

Gorgonemilezola · 30/10/2024 08:02

'But nope this is actually all about the stranglehold these huge multinationals have and how they are able to direct the political narative so people just bleat on about wages as if this is the solution to the problem.'

Too true. Bezos could afford to pay more to the hundreds of thousands of Amazon workers at or close to minimum wage. He doesn't. So their low wages are topped up by benefits while he's the 3rd richest bloke on the planet.

NewstartOct2024 · 30/10/2024 08:00

midgetastic · 29/10/2024 20:17

Are most of a care homes costs wages, the 25% profit or the mortgage on the actual property?

There are some care homes that make huge profits. Children's residential care homes charge local authorities thousands a week and local authorities have to pay because children have to live somewhere. They basically buy another property with the profits, have 1 or 2 children in, have 3 care staff on duty over 24 hours and charge massive fees. It's appalling. Then these children turn 18 and the profiteering residential children's homes turf them out. No money when they are adults.

Willyoujustbequiet · 30/10/2024 07:57

NewstartOct2024 · 30/10/2024 07:50

My friend is a local authority foster carer and receives around £300 a week for a 24 hour, 7 day a week responsibility for a child. It's disgraceful. No NMW for some.

Exactly.

It's the same for family carers. They save this country an absolute fortune. 24/7 yet only receive £82 per week. It's a disgrace.

I can't believe there are actually people who begrudge the most vulnerable being able to eat.

Shitshower · 30/10/2024 07:57

Mealplanningfatigue · 30/10/2024 07:46

So you think people should be given state money unchecked?

To an extent, yes. I believe that they should get my income each month and that be it. I am actually in full time work
The system is there to help, it’s to help because we aren’t paid a decent wage and can’t live on it, however somehow it’s becoming a stick with which you beat the very people that so many of you rely on day to day.

I’d like to see all us low paid workers get a degree, better ourselves and then go and get all the better paying jobs we are now qualified for, then watch the UK crumble because hang on! No one is cleaning, or working in schools, or stacking shelves!

You look down your noses at us, but you need us.

Bump3tyBump · 30/10/2024 07:55

NewstartOct2024 · 30/10/2024 07:52

True. Some good points.

I think VAT and tax fraud should be cracked down on across all businesses and the self employed. Now that would raise a fortune.

Chocolateteabag · 30/10/2024 07:55

Small businesses will adapt (less staff probably) or close

Where will the jobs then come from?

Who is going to risk starting a new business in this climate - when all the rewards are being chipped away? (Entrepreneur's relief, rises to CGT etc) **

If jobs are replaced by machines, what are the people going to do?

No answers as yet but let's see...

** ok not yet announced, but have been strongly suggested leaked

vegaspot · 30/10/2024 07:54

Gorgonemilezola · 30/10/2024 07:34

So carers, childcare workers, teaching assistants, none of whom will require a degree to do their jobs, aren't worth a decent wage?

If everyone on NMW suddenly decided to 'better' Hmm themselves by getting a degree and jacking in their jobs as cleaners, dinner ladies, childcare workers, hospital porters etc etc, we'd be screwed. Because their roles are 'worth' far more than many earning excessive salaries.

@Blanketyre so the people who empty your bins, stock the supermarkets,care for your children,grandparents,disabled family member etc don’t deserve NMW ?
Someone has to do these jobs ,otherwise the country and society would be screwed! So what is your answer then ?

NewstartOct2024 · 30/10/2024 07:52

RedToothBrush · 29/10/2024 23:14

We could approach this in a different wage and not actually make it about wages, but properly fairly tasking people and business who can find all the legal loopholes to avoid taxation that small businesses can't.

That way you raise treasury income so the need to tax small business as heavily is reduced. It also means you can reduce taxation on citizens in other ways.

So the cost of living crisis eases and wages go further.

You could also do a lot to tackle the rental market which is fleecing a lot of the poorest in society (and most likely to be on MW).

Again you solve the issues in a different way without jeapordising crucial public and community services that many small businesses provide.

But nope this is actually all about the stranglehold these huge multinationals have and how they are able to direct the political narative so people just bleat on about wages as if this is the solution to the problem.

Its really not. Its going to produce a whole pile of its own economic and social issues.

That nursery you desparately need so you can go to your MW job is now the only one in town. So what are you going to do? You have to take a job or lose your benefits. But lack of places and rising costs means the nursery left in town can hike its prices up massively. Oh fuck you are priced out cos you can't compete with those on £60k.

Whoopie.

There are far too many people who have totally one dimenionsal thinking on this.

True. Some good points.

NewstartOct2024 · 30/10/2024 07:50

Willyoujustbequiet · 30/10/2024 02:01

A typical band 6 was starting on £35k plus where I worked so that's the average household income and not far off twice the minimum wage.

I'd look for a new employer.

My friend is a local authority foster carer and receives around £300 a week for a 24 hour, 7 day a week responsibility for a child. It's disgraceful. No NMW for some.

Mealplanningfatigue · 30/10/2024 07:49

IVFmumoftwo · 30/10/2024 07:48

Do you think they should get sanctioned for ridiculous reasons leaving them unable to feed themselves?

Of course not but to get sanctioned you've got to have done a number of things wrong. I've been unemployed and on UC and never once got sanctioned nor did I feel hounded by them. I missed an appointment once, notified them through my journal, got told not to do it again or I'll be sanctioned or considered for sanctions, and that was the matter closed.

Laptoppie · 30/10/2024 07:48

Bump3tyBump · 30/10/2024 06:55

Maybe they will.

I look forward to hearing about it then, surely they'll say something today as they'd have already considered this.

IVFmumoftwo · 30/10/2024 07:48

Mealplanningfatigue · 30/10/2024 07:46

So you think people should be given state money unchecked?

Do you think they should get sanctioned for ridiculous reasons leaving them unable to feed themselves?

Blanketyre · 30/10/2024 07:47

Grandmasswagbag · 30/10/2024 07:41

In the last 6 or so years DH has had a 'considerable' pay rise working in a rural mid sized firm with professional qualification that's pretty hard to do. He worked out the other day that adjusted for inflation he actually hasn't had a pay rise at all. His wage has just kept up. Now as horrified as we were at the thought of this it really hit home just how little people on NMW and just above are actually being paid, and the difference in lifestyle they must be experiencing it that's your full time income. The whole of the UK is a disaster. Wages are so incredibly low and big businesses only get away with this because the taxpayer subsidises it. Support could be put in place for smaller businesses over the term of parliament but quite frankly after that if to you can't pay your staff a living wage then your not a viable business. We need to wean employers off benefits, not people !

That's because his employer has to fund all the NMW rises before other employees

yukikata · 30/10/2024 07:47

ZoeZee · 29/10/2024 21:49

Stop making things up! That’s not the point.

What's made up?

You're moaning about the minimum wage increase - ergo you'd rather it didn't happen. If that's not true then what are you complaining about?

You won't be earning any less than you currently earn. All that changes is that some other people will earn a bit more.

Mealplanningfatigue · 30/10/2024 07:46

IVFmumoftwo · 30/10/2024 07:42

If you think UC don't hound you then you are very wrong.

So you think people should be given state money unchecked?

Mealplanningfatigue · 30/10/2024 07:45

People are deliberately misunderstanding the issue on this thread. All anyone can see is "more money in my pocket is a good thing!" (Which it is) But when everyone gets more money in their pocket no one gets more money in their pocket, the bottom rung of the salary ladder is still the bottom rung of the salary ladder. But to offset increasing the money in your pocket companies will now have to increase the cost of everything they sell us. So if you're already struggling to feed your family this increase will not change that.

If everyone's salaries in a company go up by 7% to accommodate the nnw increase that puts a huge financial burden on the public and charity sectors who run on tight margins as it is. It's all very well to say if you can't afford to pay a living wage don't be in business but let's see how society manages with even less public and charity sector resources.

Maddy70 · 30/10/2024 07:45

Hedjwitch · 29/10/2024 19:54

Some employers will not be able to pay this if they have a lot of staff at this salary point. ( I work with many employers and have heard this being discussed). Some people may end up being paid off.

I run a business. Honestly if businesses cant pay this then they dont have a viable business anyway

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